Hospital won't recommend a heart transplant because patient is autistic

Sounds like the right choice, can't save everyone. Sucks for the mom.

Watch - some "normal" idiot will get the transplant instead.

They'll wind up becomming chain-smokers and alcoholics and ruin their bodies anyway.

Organ donation should be mandatory, or at the very least an opt-out program instead of being opt-in. -Sun_Tzu-

hopefully someday we will be able to use iPS cells to build heart tissue out of the patient's own skin cells and then we won't need to worry about heart transplants (or other transplants either).

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Doesn't surprise me. Most people are ignorant when it comes to disabilities.Netherscourge

Yes, I'm quite sure you know about this guy's disabilities better than the doctor who made the call.

I'm quite sure you don't know anything about the doctor's motives either.

More likely, the doctor and/or his affliliated hospital is afraid of a malpractice suit or even bad PR if he screws up and doesn't want to take the chance with going through with a transplant for an Autistic person, as opposed to a Neuro-typical person.

I honestly think there is more PR behind this decison than actual consideration for the wealthfare of a patient.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Organ donation should be mandatory, or at the very least an opt-out program instead of being opt-in. Allicrombie

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Doesn't surprise me. Most people are ignorant when it comes to disabilities.SolidSnake35

Yes, I'm quite sure you know about this guy's disabilities better than the doctor who made the call.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

The doctor never said his life is worthless. The doctor said "I have recommended against transplant given his psychiatric issues, autism, the complexity of the process, multiple procedures and the unknown and unpredictable effect of steroids on behavior".

What do you mean who are they to decide? What kind of bizarre question is that? If a panel of medical doctors aren't the most qualified to make decisions related to medical procedures, than who?

thegerg

Yes, I'm quite sure you know about this guy's disabilities better than the doctor who made the call.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Yes, I'm quite sure you know about this guy's disabilities better than the doctor who made the call.

SolidSnake35

You're just being emotional right now, saying American doctors are dumb? There was a verity of reasons the doctors gave to as why he shouldn't get the transplant, this shouldn't be about equality; this should be about who has the best chance of survival for the operation. I bet there is a ton of "normal" people out there who had been passed up from a heart transplant the only reason we know of this is because of the mother complaining.

I'm quite sure you don't know anything about the doctor's motives either.

More likely, the doctor and/or his affliliated hospital is afraid of a malpractice suit or even bad PR if he screws up and doesn't want to take the chance with going through with a transplant for an Autistic person, as opposed to a Neuro-typical person.

I honestly think there is more PR behind this decison than actual consideration for the wealthfare of a patient.

Netherscourge

The doctor's explained their rationale: Corby's autism has the potential to significantly affect his post-transplant prognosis(not in terms of going on to live a productive or "normal" life, but flat out surviving the transplant process), and that's just not a risk a doctor can take when there are far more heart transplant candidates than there are hearts available.

It boils down to this: one person is going to get the heart and potentially live, and another person isn't and is going to die, so you have to give the heart to whoever has the best chance at living.

Watch - some "normal" idiot will get the transplant instead.

They'll wind up becomming chain-smokers and alcoholics and ruin their bodies anyway.

Netherscourge

Are you really this dumb?

cold, I'd still prefer somebody with a functioning mind living.

TopTierHustler

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Watch - some "normal" idiot will get the transplant instead.

They'll wind up becomming chain-smokers and alcoholics and ruin their bodies anyway.

thegerg

Yea, I can see this Autistic guy being a meth addict and raping HIV sufferers...

Good call. I must defer to your wisdom in this matter.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] I know more than the people saying he doesn't "function". Go complain at them.Communist_Soul

You're just being emotional right now, saying American doctors are dumb? There was a verity of reasons the doctors gave to as why he shouldn't get the transplant, this shouldn't be about equality; this should be about who has the best chance of survival for the operation. I bet there is a ton of "normal" people out there who had been passed up from a heart transplant the only reason we know of this is because of the mother complaining.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

cold, I'd still prefer somebody with a functioning mind living.

Toxic-Seahorse

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] The kid needs a transplant. If he needed it first, he should get it. Sorry that you think people with special needs aren't as valuable. And I'm sorry that American doctors aren't capable of performing these operations successfully.SolidSnake35

You're just being emotional right now, saying American doctors are dumb? There was a verity of reasons the doctors gave to as why he shouldn't get the transplant, this shouldn't be about equality; this should be about who has the best chance of survival for the operation. I bet there is a ton of "normal" people out there who had been passed up from a heart transplant the only reason we know of this is because of the mother complaining.

I'm not a fvcking doctor ask them they gave some reasons in the article.

Wonder if he signed sign his organ donor card, if not he should do it soon.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

You're just being emotional right now, saying American doctors are dumb? There was a verity of reasons the doctors gave to as why he shouldn't get the transplant, this shouldn't be about equality; this should be about who has the best chance of survival for the operation. I bet there is a ton of "normal" people out there who had been passed up from a heart transplant the only reason we know of this is because of the mother complaining.

Communist_Soul

I'm not a fvcking doctor ask them they gave some reasons in the article.

Wonder if he signed sign his organ donor card, if not he should do it soon.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"] Watch- this autistic guy will get a heart eventually and end up raping AIDS sufferers to death and die in prison from complications of HIV combined with poisoning by home-made meth anyway.thegerg

Yea, I can see this Autistic guy being a meth addict and raping HIV sufferers...

Good call. I must defer to your wisdom in this matter.

Not really.

I suggested a self-destructive scenario and you suggested a homicidal maniac sceanrio.

We're talking about a co-dependent Autistic male that lives with his mom.

He's probably got 24/hour care, either with his mom or through the therapists he probably sees every week, like Occupational, Developmental and Behavioral therapists. Not to mention his heart condition, itself, which is the whole reason we're having this discussion.

He's probably less-likely to be intetionally violent toward others or self-destructive than any normal person would.

He would be under observation by medical and psychological professionals for the rest of his life, in some capacity - even moreso than a Neuro-typical person who would get the same transplant.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Why won't he survive the operation?SolidSnake35

I'm not a fvcking doctor ask them they gave some reasons in the article.

Wonder if he signed sign his organ donor card, if not he should do it soon.

I'm trusting a doctor, I tend to trust expert opinions which have evidence.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

cold, I'd still prefer somebody with a functioning mind living.

SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Yea, I can see this Autistic guy being a meth addict and raping HIV sufferers...

Good call. I must defer to your wisdom in this matter.

Not really.

I suggested a self-destructive scenario and you suggested a homicidal maniac sceanrio.

We're talking about a co-dependent Autistic male that lives with his mom.

He's probably got 24/hour care, either with his mom or through the therapists he probably sees every week, like Occupational, Developmental and Behavioral therapists. Not to mention his heart condition, itself, which is the whole reason were' having this discussion.

He's probably less-likely to be intetionally violent toward others or self-destructive than any normal person would.

Why won't he survive the operation?SolidSnake35

The doctor's explained their rationale: Corby's autism has the potential to significantly affect his post-transplant prognosis(not in terms of going on to live a productive or "normal" life, but flat out surviving the transplant process) as he may not be able to effectively communicate any symptoms he is feeling and the doctors are unsure how the various medications he'll be on will affect his behaviour, and that's just not a risk a doctor can take when there are far more heart transplant candidates than there are hearts available.

It boils down to this: one person is going to get the heart and potentially live, and another person isn't and is going to die, so you have to give the heart to whoever has the best chance at living.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"] That scenario is based in the same logic that your's is.CreasianDevaili

Not really.

I suggested a self-destructive scenario and you suggested a homicidal maniac sceanrio.

We're talking about a co-dependent Autistic male that lives with his mom.

He's probably got 24/hour care, either with his mom or through the therapists he probably sees every week, like Occupational, Developmental and Behavioral therapists. Not to mention his heart condition, itself, which is the whole reason were' having this discussion.

He's probably less-likely to be intetionally violent toward others or self-destructive than any normal person would.

Autism is about Sensory Processing disorders - it's not about violent tendencies.

If he's yelling or screaming, it's not because he wants to rape and murder people or is having Meth withdrawal - it's because he's struggling with how to handle different stimulii.

I know it's funny for a lot of immature people here. People are afraid or annoyed by special needs individuals. They'd rather they just go away and act like they are subhumans who don't deserve to breath the same air - or to have heart transplants.

But this is such a hard and painful thing to deal with for not only the person affected, by the family members involved.

Just ticks me off how insensitive people are.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Not really.

I suggested a self-destructive scenario and you suggested a homicidal maniac sceanrio.

We're talking about a co-dependent Autistic male that lives with his mom.

He's probably got 24/hour care, either with his mom or through the therapists he probably sees every week, like Occupational, Developmental and Behavioral therapists. Not to mention his heart condition, itself, which is the whole reason were' having this discussion.

He's probably less-likely to be intetionally violent toward others or self-destructive than any normal person would.

Netherscourge

Autism is about Sensory Processing disorders - it's not about violent tendencies.

If he's yelling or screaming, it's not because he wants to rape and murder people or is having Meth withdrawal - it's because he's struggling with how to handle different stimulii.

I know it's funny for a lot of immature people here. People are afraid or annoyed by special needs individuals. They'd rather they just go away and act like they are subhumans who don't deserve to breath the same air - or to have heart transplants.

But this is such a hard and painful thing to deal with for not only the person affected, by the family members involved.

Just ticks me off how insensitive people are.

This whole thread has shown how much you're thinking with your heart in this situation and not with your brain. You made a completely baseless assumption about a "normal" person getting the heart transplant where they will end up ruining their body anyway. How do you know that person doesn't live an ultra-healthy lifestyle and just had a heart defect?

Nobody here is making fun of the autistic guy or thinks he's subhuman. It's a really sad story. You can't fault anybody for this happening though. Life just fvcking sucks sometimes.

Autism is about Sensory Processing disorders - it's not about violent tendencies.

If he's yelling or screaming, it's not because he wants to rape and murder people or is having Meth withdrawal - it's because he's struggling with how to handle different stimulii.

I know it's funny for a lot of immature people here. People are afraid or annoyed by special needs individuals. They'd rather they just go away and act like they are subhumans who don't deserve to breath the same air - or to have heart transplants.

But this is such a hard and painful thing to deal with for not only the person affected, by the family members involved.

Just ticks me off how insensitive people are.

Netherscourge

"Insensitive"? Again, are you really this dumb?

The doctor had to make a call. If this guy didn't die somebody else would have. You looking at this so onesidedly is what's insensitive :|

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Not really.

I suggested a self-destructive scenario and you suggested a homicidal maniac sceanrio.

We're talking about a co-dependent Autistic male that lives with his mom.

He's probably got 24/hour care, either with his mom or through the therapists he probably sees every week, like Occupational, Developmental and Behavioral therapists. Not to mention his heart condition, itself, which is the whole reason were' having this discussion.

He's probably less-likely to be intetionally violent toward others or self-destructive than any normal person would.

Netherscourge

Autism is about Sensory Processing disorders - it's not about violent tendencies.

If he's yelling or screaming, it's not because he wants to rape and murder people or is having Meth withdrawal - it's because he's struggling with how to handle different stimulii.

I know it's funny for a lot of immature people here. People are afraid or annoyed by special needs individuals. They'd rather they just go away and act like they are subhumans who don't deserve to breath the same air - or to have heart transplants.

But this is such a hard and painful thing to deal with for not only the person affected, by the family members involved.

Just ticks me off how insensitive people are.

You've completely gone off the deep end in this topic and have lost all ability to think rationally.

F*ck everyone in this thread who is treating autistic people like they aren't human beings. I hope all your children have autism.

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[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] Hes on a mood stabilizer from what appears to be due to having cops called to his home several times for being loud enough to alarm neighbors? Course hell, maybe he was watching pokemon and got the commercial trivia wrong.Oleg_Huzwog

Autism is about Sensory Processing disorders - it's not about violent tendencies.

If he's yelling or screaming, it's not because he wants to rape and murder people or is having Meth withdrawal - it's because he's struggling with how to handle different stimulii.

I know it's funny for a lot of immature people here. People are afraid or annoyed by special needs individuals. They'd rather they just go away and act like they are subhumans who don't deserve to breath the same air - or to have heart transplants.

But this is such a hard and painful thing to deal with for not only the person affected, by the family members involved.

Just ticks me off how insensitive people are.

You've completely gone off the deep end in this topic and have lost all ability to think rationally.

Nether is 100% correct you ignoramus

Obviously the person who's proven himself to be more valuable to society should take priority over the person who's struggling: the wealthy acountant who's donated income to charity should be ahead in the line of the unemployed leech when it comes to receiving life-saving transplants.

Of course health of lifestyle should also factor in: the obese smoker who leads a sedentary life of Big Macs and beer from behind his computer screen should be placed behind the fit, active teetotaler.

And if mental health is also a consideration when deciding who gets to live, then cases of depression, anger issues and social anxiety should also check boxes for the transplant blacklist, since quality of life is bound to be lower than for someone who's capable of benefitting maximally from a longer life.

Sarcasm aside, what bugs me about this case isn't that patients have to be prioritised on these kinds of grounds - that that already happens is a no-brainer - it's the silly justification they give for this particular case. Call me cynical, but I don't believe for one moment that it's any diminished ability to communicate potential complications which motivated this decision.

Obviously the person who's proven himself to be more valuable to society should take priority over the person who's struggling: the wealthy acountant who's donated income to charity should be ahead in the line of the unemployed leech when it comes to receiving life-saving transplants.

Of course health of lifestyle should also factor in: the obese smoker who leads a sedentary life of Big Macs and beer from behind his computer screen should be placed behind the fit, active teetotaler.

And if mental health is also a consideration when deciding who gets to live, then cases of depression, anger issues and social anxiety should also check boxes for the transplant blacklist, since quality of life is bound to be lower than for someone who's capable of benefitting maximally from a longer life.

Sarcasm aside, what bugs me about this case isn't that patients have to be prioritised on these kinds of grounds - that that already happens is a no-brainer - it's the silly justification they give for this particular case. Call me cynical, but I don't believe for one moment that it's any diminished ability to communicate potential complications which motivated this decision.

tumbIew33d

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Obviously the person who's proven himself to be more valuable to society should take priority over the person who's struggling: the wealthy acountant who's donated income to charity should be ahead in the line of the unemployed leech when it comes to receiving life-saving transplants.

Of course health of lifestyle should also factor in: the obese smoker who leads a sedentary life of Big Macs and beer from behind his computer screen should be placed behind the fit, active teetotaler.

And if mental health is also a consideration when deciding who gets to live, then cases of depression, anger issues and social anxiety should also check boxes for the transplant blacklist, since quality of life is bound to be lower than for someone who's capable of benefitting maximally from a longer life.

Sarcasm aside, what bugs me about this case isn't that patients have to be prioritised on these kinds of grounds - that that already happens is a no-brainer - it's the silly justification they give for this particular case. Call me cynical, but I don't believe for one moment that it's any diminished ability to communicate potential complications which motivated this decision.

MrGeezer

hearts are rear, save for normal people. I am not saying autistic people shouldnt live but if theres one heart and two people that want it...well give to the normie first obviously

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[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] Hes on a mood stabilizer from what appears to be due to having cops called to his home several times for being loud enough to alarm neighbors? Course hell, maybe he was watching pokemon and got the commercial trivia wrong.JML897

Autism is about Sensory Processing disorders - it's not about violent tendencies.

If he's yelling or screaming, it's not because he wants to rape and murder people or is having Meth withdrawal - it's because he's struggling with how to handle different stimulii.

I know it's funny for a lot of immature people here. People are afraid or annoyed by special needs individuals. They'd rather they just go away and act like they are subhumans who don't deserve to breath the same air - or to have heart transplants.

But this is such a hard and painful thing to deal with for not only the person affected, by the family members involved.

Just ticks me off how insensitive people are.

This whole thread has shown how much you're thinking with your heart in this situation and not with your brain. You made a completely baseless assumption about a "normal" person getting the heart transplant where they will end up ruining their body anyway. How do you know that person doesn't live an ultra-healthy lifestyle and just had a heart defect?

Nobody here is making fun of the autistic guy or thinks he's subhuman. It's a really sad story. You can't fault anybody for this happening though. Life just fvcking sucks sometimes.

I know. I shouldn't have made the assumption. But that's just the emotions talking.

Like I said, I know someone VERY VERY close to me who was diagnosed with and ASD disorder. In fact, they are considered "mild" and will likely live a good life, so long as they get all the services they need as they grow.

It just annoys me to no end when I hear other special-need kids or people are passed over for transplants when it's their "turn" on the list.

Even worse is when political scumbags like D!ck Cheney who are old with other pre-existing health problems BUY their way up the list and grab organs that someone else should have gotten first.

But that's a whole other discussion.

It's way too personal for me - I probably shouldn't even be in this thread because it'll only make me upset.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Not really.

I suggested a self-destructive scenario and you suggested a homicidal maniac sceanrio.

We're talking about a co-dependent Autistic male that lives with his mom.

He's probably got 24/hour care, either with his mom or through the therapists he probably sees every week, like Occupational, Developmental and Behavioral therapists. Not to mention his heart condition, itself, which is the whole reason were' having this discussion.

He's probably less-likely to be intetionally violent toward others or self-destructive than any normal person would.

Autism is about Sensory Processing disorders - it's not about violent tendencies.

If he's yelling or screaming, it's not because he wants to rape and murder people or is having Meth withdrawal - it's because he's struggling with how to handle different stimulii.

I know it's funny for a lot of immature people here. People are afraid or annoyed by special needs individuals. They'd rather they just go away and act like they are subhumans who don't deserve to breath the same air - or to have heart transplants.

But this is such a hard and painful thing to deal with for not only the person affected, by the family members involved.

Just ticks me off how insensitive people are.

Nether is 100% correct you ignoramus

NailedGR

Sigh... context, you dolt. When someone makes a baseless argument of "just watch, the person who gets the heart will probably smoke and ruin their lives forever", sees someone else make an equally baseless suggestion to illustrate the absurdity of his statement, and then vehemently argues against said illustration.... that person has gone off the deep end.

Sounds like a them problem. Not sure how this impacts my life.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]In this thread, we decided that people with special needs should be left to die for the benefit of "normal" people. Jolly good.thegerg

In this thread, we decided that people with special needs should be left to die for the benefit of "normal" people. Jolly good.SolidSnake35

It's not the "benefit" of normal people. It's for the life of a normal person you dumbass.