Hospital won't recommend a heart transplant because patient is autistic

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#151 dercoo
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Moral of the story,

Increase funding to organ growing research.

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#152 Nibroc420
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Moral of the story,

Increase funding to organ growing research.

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Stem Cells are opposed by the church. So good luck with that...
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#153 dercoo
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Moral of the story,

Increase funding to organ growing research.

Nibroc420

Stem Cells are opposed by the church. So good luck with that...

There is non-embryo stem cell methods for organ growing under research....

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#154 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="dercoo"]

Moral of the story,

Increase funding to organ growing research.

dercoo

Stem Cells are opposed by the church. So good luck with that...

There is non-embryo stem cell methods for organ growing under research....

There is. But again, Stem Cells are opposed by the church.
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#158 dercoo
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Stem Cells are opposed by the church. So good luck with that...Nibroc420

There is non-embryo stem cell methods for organ growing under research....

There is. But again, Stem Cells are opposed by the church.

Only embryo is opposed do to its connection to abortions and early human life.

Most others are only opposed as embryo research happens along side it.

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#159 Slow_Show
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Moral of the story,

Increase funding to organ growing research.

dercoo

Much easier to switch organ donor programs from opt-in to opt-out (and make the opt-out process difficult enough that someone really needs to object to donating to go through with it).

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#160 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Don't apologize for that. It might be reasonable, though, to apologize for insulting others because they disagree with you.

I don't recall insulting anyone in this thread.

Maybe I'm mistaken. Have you not called others heartless?

Yes, because they think that people with special needs are not "normal" and do not deserve to live if it benefits a "normal" person. There are really two debates going on here.
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#162 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Maybe I'm mistaken. Have you not called others heartless?

Yes, because they think that people with special needs are not "normal" and do not deserve to live if it benefits a "normal" person. There are really two debates going on here.

So, then, yes. You have insulted others.

Not for the reason you said. For the reason I gave, it's more of an observation than an insult.
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#163 dercoo
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Moral of the story,

Increase funding to organ growing research.

Slow_Show

Much easier to switch organ donor programs from opt-in to opt-out (and make the opt-out process difficult enough that someone really needs to object to donating to go through with it).

Actually, a very good short term solution.

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#165 DrHousesCane
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Don't worry Topse, you'll get that much needed heart transplant soon.

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#166 ferrari2001
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Unfortunately sometimes hospitals have to make difficult decisions like this. There are very few hearts available for transplant and if they can put it into someone who they know will live longer and be a bigger contribution to society they usually do. It's sad, but it's the way hospitals operate.
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Stem Cells are opposed by the church. So good luck with that...Nibroc420

There is non-embryo stem cell methods for organ growing under research....

There is. But again, Stem Cells are opposed by the church.

No only embryonic stem cells are opposed by the church. Adult stem cells are perfectly fine. And now that adult stems cells can be made to behave exactly like embryonic stems cells all research options are available to ways that the Church does support.
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I think some of you are looking at this from a very one dimensional angle. While I understand the point of the doctor not letting him be a viable option for the heart transplant, if some light to moderate autism is the reason, I dunno if that's really a good move. There are plenty of non-autistic people with much more important "Technical disabilities" that would make them less viable than this autistic person, so I feel that if autism is the only reason he was denied, I'm not too sure if I agree, even with the logic in this situation being used.

Then again I can't even say that I'm even sure if I can agree with the logic with the decision being made here, despite the situation with a lack of donated organs. Pretty difficult decisions to be made with this type of situation though, so I can't say I'm outraged about this either. I suppose feel bad for the guy, though. It's just the way things have to be for him right now though, even if I'm not sure if I can agree with it or not.

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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Moral of the story,

Increase funding to organ growing research.

Slow_Show

Much easier to switch organ donor programs from opt-in to opt-out (and make the opt-out process difficult enough that someone really needs to object to donating to go through with it).

Actually, a very good short term solution.

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#171 WilliamRLBaker
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Eugenics we should not foster the genetic diseases in our own. And with how autism can affect people depending on the severity it may be a gift to him, I would hate to be trapped in my own mind.
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#172 katana_duo
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If this was your son what would you do? Would you stand for that?
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="dercoo"]

There is non-embryo stem cell methods for organ growing under research....

ferrari2001

There is. But again, Stem Cells are opposed by the church.

No only embryonic stem cells are opposed by the church. Adult stem cells are perfectly fine. And now that adult stems cells can be made to behave exactly like embryonic stems cells all research options are available to ways that the Church does support.

Not entirely. Embryonic stem cells are still more useful. Adult stem cells are getting there and maybe they will, but as of now they are not on the level of embryonic stem cells.

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#174 dave123321
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Is unfortunate
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#175 branketra
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/after-adult-autistic-son-denied-heart-transplant-pennsylvania-woman-seeks-to-reverse-decision/2012/08/17/db4778aa-e834-11e1-9739-eef99c5fb285_story.html

A Pennsylvania woman whose autistic adult son was not recommended for a heart transplant is using an online petition to gather support in a bid to convince a hospital to reconsider.

Karen Corby says doctors at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania decided that her 23-year-old son, Paul, would not be recommended for a heart transplant because of psychiatric issues, his autism and the complexity of the process.

Discuss - do you think this is wrong or right? Sounds a bit cold-hearted to me.

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Tough decisions like this are often described how you put it.
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#176 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] There is. But again, Stem Cells are opposed by the church.Omni-Wrath

No only embryonic stem cells are opposed by the church. Adult stem cells are perfectly fine. And now that adult stems cells can be made to behave exactly like embryonic stems cells all research options are available to ways that the Church does support.

Not entirely. Embryonic stem cells are still more useful. Adult stem cells are getting there and maybe they will, but as of now they are not on the level of embryonic stem cells.

Except adult stem cells have seen far more viable cures than have embryonic stems cells as of current. It might be because of funding, but to say embryonic stem cells are more useful when they have cured less problems than have adult stem cells seems like a misconception. Embryonic stem cells currently are only used for research, not actual viable cures. And scientists can use a technique to turn adult stem cells into embryonic stem cells. They behave exactly the same way after the procedure. The only difference is they are obtained from adults instead of embryos. Other than that they are identical in both use and behavior. They aren't any less useful than cells taken directly from an embryo.
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#177 CJL13
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How exactly does having autism have you not be able to survive a heart transplant anyway? What's the connection?

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#178 Master_Live
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Sign your donor cards, peopleSlow_Show
This. I know I have.
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#179 Master_Live
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A lot of emotion in this debate. Will I agree with the decision taken by the hospital, but some people here should learn to phrase their comments in a more thoughtful way to avoid looking as insensitive jerks.
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#180 STAR_Admiral
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I agree with the hospital. Organ transplants are not some lottery, they are not randomly given, and they are not first come first serve. They are given to those who are first of all compatible with a donor, and will make the most use of the organ. All alcoholics are not eligible for liver transplants, because why give a man a new liver if he is just going to kill it again in two years. Organs are given to those who will benefit the most. Younger recipients are favoured over older people. People who do not smoke, drink, are favoured over those who do. People who will live longer are favoured over those who will live shorter. People with terminal or severe concurrent illnesses are generally not offered transplant.
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I think some of you are looking at this from a very one dimensional angle. While I understand the point of the doctor not letting him be a viable option for the heart transplant, if some light to moderate autism is the reason, I dunno if that's really a good move. There are plenty of non-autistic people with much more important "Technical disabilities" that would make them less viable than this autistic person, so I feel that if autism is the only reason he was denied, I'm not too sure if I agree, even with the logic in this situation being used.

Then again I can't even say that I'm even sure if I can agree with the logic with the decision being made here, despite the situation with a lack of donated organs. Pretty difficult decisions to be made with this type of situation though, so I can't say I'm outraged about this either. I suppose feel bad for the guy, though. It's just the way things have to be for him right now though, even if I'm not sure if I can agree with it or not.

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"There are plenty of non-autistic people with much more important "Technical disabilities" that would make them less viable than this autistic person, so I feel that if autism is the only reason he was denied, I'm not too sure if I agree, even with the logic in this situation being used." Autism isn't the only reason he was denied.

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