Hospital won't recommend a heart transplant because patient is autistic

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]Nether is 100% correct you ignoramus

Oleg_Huzwog

Sigh... context, you dolt. When someone makes a baseless argument of "just watch, the person who gets the heart will probably smoke and ruin their lives forever", sees someone else make an equally baseless suggestion to illustrate the absurdity of his statement, and then vehemently argues against said illustration.... that person has gone off the deep end.

I not totally crazy. Maybe like 60/40.

I haven't had a full night's sleep in several days - that's probably why I'm so moody.

However, I would say that my baseless example was slightly more tame than the counter-baseless example.

Fact is, nobody deserves to live more than another in this situation.

The sad reality of this whole situaiton is that most people want to take their organs with them to the grave (or the incinerator) rather than donate them to let someone have a second chance at life.

That's really the crux of the whole issue. Fighting for and/or lining up for the limited availability of organs.

Hopefully, one day, stem cells will solve this problem (if we can ever get the morons in Washington to support it).

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]In this thread, we decided that people with special needs should be left to die for the benefit of "normal" people. Jolly good.SolidSnake35

The organ donor list is not like sitting at the DMV. It's not first-come-first-serve, take a number, wait your turn.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]In this thread, we decided that people with special needs should be left to die for the benefit of "normal" people. Jolly good.N30F3N1X

It's not the "benefit" of normal people. It's for the life of a normal person you dumbass.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="thegerg"] No, I think we decided that the individual with the greatest chance of success in surgery and recovery should get the heart.Oleg_Huzwog

The organ donor list is not like sitting at the DMV. It's not first-come-first-serve, take a number, wait your turn.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] If that's how you want to spin it. As far as I'm concerned, if that kid was first on the list, he deserves a chance.SolidSnake35

The organ donor list is not like sitting at the DMV. It's not first-come-first-serve, take a number, wait your turn.

You're a fvcking moron.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

cold, I'd still prefer somebody with a functioning mind living.

slipknot0129

Wow, I did not realize people on the internet were THIS terrible and misinformed.

Like... wow.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

The organ donor list is not like sitting at the DMV. It's not first-come-first-serve, take a number, wait your turn.

Communist_Soul

You're a fvcking moron.

Fact is, nobody deserves to live more than another in this situation.Netherscourge

In this thread, we decided that people with special needs should be left to die for the benefit of "normal" people. Jolly good.SolidSnake35

In this thread, we decided that the better candidate for heart transplant surgery should be left to die for the benefit of a human interest story. Jolly good.

This isn't rocket science (or brain surgery, for that matter): the fundamental issue isn't that Corby has autism, it's that there are far more candidates for heart transplant surgery than there are hearts available. In cases like that, all a doctor can do is triage and make sure those with the best chance of surviving get the best care, because the unfortunate fact is a bunch of people are going to die no matter what. Corby's autism significantly impacts his ability to survive the transplant process, therefore one cannot in good conscience recommend him for heart transplant surgery knowing there are other candidates with better chances of survival.

If you want to get mad, get mad at the number of people who don't sign their donor cards or at the opt-in nature of the system. Don't blame doctors for doing the best they can with an impossibly sh*tty situation.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]In this thread, we decided that people with special needs should be left to die for the benefit of "normal" people. Jolly good.Slow_Show

In this thread, we decided that the better candidate for heart transplant surgery should be left to die for the benefit of a human interest story. Jolly good.

This isn't rocket science (or brain surgery, for that matter): the fundamental issue isn't that Corby has autism, it's that there are far more candidates for heart transplant surgery than there are hearts available. In cases like that, all a doctor can do is triage and make sure those with the best chance of surviving get the best care, because the unfortunate fact is a bunch of people are going to die no matter what. Corby's autism significantly impacts his ability to survive the transplant process, therefore one cannot in good conscience recommend him for heart transplant surgery knowing there is another candidate with a better chance of survival.

If you want to get mad, get mad at the number of people who don't sign their donor cards or at the opt-in nature of the system. Don't blame doctors for doing the best they can with an impossibly sh*tty situation.

I wish we had all the hearts to give to thoe who need it :(

I wish her son gets it.

I wish we had all the hearts to give to thoe who need it :(

I wish her son gets it.

TehFuneral

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Oh I see. So perhaps minorities get preferential treatment too. I know how these things work.SolidSnake35

You're a fvcking moron.

Touché.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

You're a fvcking moron.

Communist_Soul

Touché.

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] No you.SolidSnake35

Touché.

I got you a teddy bear for court.

We never will. Before hearts are given to autistic children, people in this thread will be feeding them to their dogs.SolidSnake35

Kids who are more likely to lead normal productive lives in should be the first for heart transplants. If there were an abundance of available hearts then it would seem unfair, but due to the fact that hearts are not just falling off trees, it is a decision that requires careful judgment. I believe the doctors are making the right call on this one.

cgi15

My thoughts exactly

sad

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]We never will. Before hearts are given to autistic children, people in this thread will be feeding them to their dogs.Slow_Show

And you call others heartless?thegerg

I see no reason why he cannot get it, is it the insurance company denying them coverage or what? He has a right to live like everyone else. I see some people in this thread are saying that the heart has to go to a normal person instead because they are more healthy. I can see some of where they are coming from, but that is a hard decision to make. I know I could not make it.

There has to be another way, her son should get it. There are other hearts out there. People die all the time, surely they must be organ donors right?

EDIT: Besides what is a "normal" person? That is a slipper slope, do we deny someone who may have a slight speech impediment a life saving operation because they are not deemed "normal"? Do we turn down a person because they may be slightly color blind? That is like saying "person X is more worthy of life than person Y", that is borderline Eugenics right there. And that is wrong.

There aren't enough hearts in this thread. That's for sure. ;DSolidSnake35

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[QUOTE="thegerg"]And you call others heartless?SolidSnake35

I wonder if this kid was one of yours would you be okay with just letting the better person having it and your child dying, its really easy to sit infront of a computer when you don't have a child in the hospital who needs a heart transplant and say it should go to the better person. What if this child doesn't want to die, its not his fault he has autism. Can you guys walk up to this child and tell him he's going to die because he's not healthy and that he will never be able to contribute to society. Think about that.

I wonder if this kid was one of yours would you be okay with just letting the better person having it and your child dying, its really easy to sit infront of a computer when you don't have a child in the hospital who needs a heart transplant and say it should go to the better person. What if this child doesn't want to die, its not his fault he has autism. Can you guys walk up to this child and tell him he's going to die because he's not healthy and that he will never be able to contribute to society. Think about that.

Chris_Williams

This "kid" is a 23 year-old man. It's generally a good idea to at least skim a story before commenting on it.

I see no reason why he cannot get it, is it the insurance company denying them coverage or what? He has a right to live like everyone else. I see some people in this thread are saying that the heart has to go to a normal person instead because they are more healthy. I can see some of where they are coming from, but that is a hard decision to make. I know I could not make it.

There has to be another way, her son should get it. There are other hearts out there. People die all the time, surely they must be organ donors right?

EDIT: Besides what is a "normal" person? That is a slipper slope, do we deny someone who may have a slight speech impediment a life saving operation because they are not deemed "normal"? Do we turn down a person because they may be slightly color blind? That is like saying "person X is more worthy of life than person Y", that is borderline Eugenics right there. And that is wrong.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

I wonder if this kid was one of yours would you be okay with just letting the better person having it and your child dying, its really easy to sit infront of a computer when you don't have a child in the hospital who needs a heart transplant and say it should go to the better person. What if this child doesn't want to die, its not his fault he has autism. Can you guys walk up to this child and tell him he's going to die because he's not healthy and that he will never be able to contribute to society. Think about that.

Oleg_Huzwog

This "kid" is a 23 year-old man. It's generally a good idea to at least skim a story before commenting on it.

I wonder if this kid was one of yours would you be okay with just letting the better person having it and your child dying, its really easy to sit infront of a computer when you don't have a child in the hospital who needs a heart transplant and say it should go to the better person. What if this child doesn't want to die, its not his fault he has autism. Can you guys walk up to this child and tell him he's going to die because he's not healthy and that he will never be able to contribute to society. Think about that.

Chris_Williams

It is what it is. it's easy to see your son dying and want to save him no matter the consequences or how it is probaby not the right decision. What about if he doesn't survive, then some other candidate doesn't even get a chance because they wasted a heart on someone they knew it would be difficult for it to work on? Life isn't perfect and sometimes the best decisions aren't the easiest.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

I wonder if this kid was one of yours would you be okay with just letting the better person having it and your child dying, its really easy to sit infront of a computer when you don't have a child in the hospital who needs a heart transplant and say it should go to the better person. What if this child doesn't want to die, its not his fault he has autism. Can you guys walk up to this child and tell him he's going to die because he's not healthy and that he will never be able to contribute to society. Think about that.

Chris_Williams

This "kid" is a 23 year-old man. It's generally a good idea to at least skim a story before commenting on it.

And if you had skimmed it, you'd have also seen that autism was not the sole deciding factor.

I wonder if this kid was one of yours would you be okay with just letting the better person having it and your child dying, its really easy to sit infront of a computer when you don't have a child in the hospital who needs a heart transplant and say it should go to the better person. What if this child doesn't want to die, its not his fault he has autism. Can you guys walk up to this child and tell him he's going to die because he's not healthy and that he will never be able to contribute to society. Think about that.

Chris_Williams

So what do we tell all the other people who would be turned down as a result of Corby getting his transplant? "Even though you're the better candidate, you're going to die because the autistic guy down the hall makes for a better news story"?

For the umpteenth time, the issue isn't that his autism prevents him from contributing to society or anything like that, it's that his autism genuinely affects his ability to survive the transplant process.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

This "kid" is a 23 year-old man. It's generally a good idea to at least skim a story before commenting on it.

Oleg_Huzwog

And if you had skimmed it, you'd have also seen that autism was not the sole deciding factor.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="thegerg"]And you call others heartless?thegerg

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

I wonder if this kid was one of yours would you be okay with just letting the better person having it and your child dying, its really easy to sit infront of a computer when you don't have a child in the hospital who needs a heart transplant and say it should go to the better person. What if this child doesn't want to die, its not his fault he has autism. Can you guys walk up to this child and tell him he's going to die because he's not healthy and that he will never be able to contribute to society. Think about that.

Slow_Show

So what do we tell all the other people who would be turned down as a result of Corby getting his transplant? "Even though you're the better candidate, you're going to die because the autistic guy down the hall makes for a better news story"?

For the umpteenth time, the issue isn't that his autism prevents him from contributing to society or anything like that, it's that his autism genuinely affects his ability to survive the transplant process.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="thegerg"]And you call others heartless?Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

I wonder if this kid was one of yours would you be okay with just letting the better person having it and your child dying, its really easy to sit infront of a computer when you don't have a child in the hospital who needs a heart transplant and say it should go to the better person. What if this child doesn't want to die, its not his fault he has autism. Can you guys walk up to this child and tell him he's going to die because he's not healthy and that he will never be able to contribute to society. Think about that.

thegerg

I wonder if this kid was one of yours would you be okay with just letting the better person having it and your child dying, its really easy to sit infront of a computer when you don't have a child in the hospital who needs a heart transplant and say it should go to the better person. What if this child doesn't want to die, its not his fault he has autism. Can you guys walk up to this child and tell him he's going to die because he's not healthy and that he will never be able to contribute to society. Think about that.

Chris_Williams

Sad story, but I must trust the doctor's decision.