how come people hate the U.S. so much?

This is why they say talk is cheap. It's easy, you don't need to know anything. You can just make up whatever the hell you feel like and pretend like you know something. If people weren't easy to dupe with bull **** they wouldn't be brainwashed by propaganda myths and rumors.

MagnumPI

^ That.

/thread

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

It's Your words make sense no.:| And for your information my post was pure sarcasm.

paulbunker85

The general stereotype of being looked down upon because I am not American still exists. I can quite safely say I have come across more than my fair share in online chat forums, and Internet gaming, which is why I posted my original post as a means of ridiculing the stereotype.

But again, the whole "jealousy" excuse is that, a stereotypical grand excuse.

Of course there is the economic angle, but I was focusing more on a societal and racial angle. Regardless of whatever angle you come from it is still silly, simply because so many non-American countries have enjoyed massive prosperity over the past few decades. The EU and Japan are basically as wealthy, per capita, as the US and have just as good if not better, health care systems, education systems etc, so the original joke is still relevant.

Probably.

But Americans should know that jealousy doesn't enter into it. Most people in Europe who dislike America is also extremely anti-European.

We should all just love each other instead. Peace.

jointed

[QUOTE="jointed"]

Probably.

But Americans should know that jealousy doesn't enter into it. Most people in Europe who dislike America is also extremely anti-European.

We should all just love each other instead. Peace.

LJS9502_basic

It's not so much jealousy as insecurity.

It's not so much jealousy as insecurity.

sonicare

[QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"][QUOTE="HessenKnight"][QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"][QUOTE="argetlam00"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

That mofo ruined your reputation in the last 8 year's ;).

SylentButDeadly

This. Ive never seen a worse president, no offense America.

Agreed. We've had worse presidents, but Bush takes the cake for the last century.

Bush got all the uneducated people...

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="ShamrockRovers"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]It's mainly jealously, I think.Hoobinator

Jealousy of what exactly?

Shhh! Don't let them break their illusion... all us non Americans live in caves, whilst eating mud and fling faeces at each other on the weekend as entertainment.

SolidSnake53 is Brittish.

Irregardless of whether he is or not, a general stigma is still attached of outsiders being "inferior" to Americans. I've met my fair share of this stereotype online a LOT. But again like I said it was sarcasm, stated as a means to ridicule a stereotype.

I think your stereotypeing Americans. No need to be so ignorant.

Hahahahahahah:lol:

Read the Blue highlighted text first and then read the red and think before you post and self own in one big reply. Stereotype much. :P

That mofo ruined your reputation in the last 8 year's ;).

Haziqonfire

not really...people were burning US flags way before W came into office

to think that they hate america more because of him is being in denial to that fact

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

It's not so much jealousy as insecurity.

LJS9502_basic

I know. I was just referring to why so many people hate on the US. It's not because they are necessarily jealous - many of them come from prosperous countries or situations that are better for them than in the states. It's that they are insecure. Why else hate on something that has no effect on them?

It's not so much jealousy as insecurity.

sonicare

OK. Is the same true when some Americans hate on other nations, especially supposedly friendly, ally nations like the EU or Japan.

I'm not starting a big argument, but from my own experiences on forums, chat rooms, Xbox Live, Internet gaming etc, is the same applicable the other way around? Are they hateful because they're insecure?

And before anyone asks, yes I have met my fair share of "hate".

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

It's not so much jealousy as insecurity.

Hoobinator

OK. Is the same true when some Americans hate on other nations, especially supposedly friendly, ally nations like the EU or Japan.

I'm not starting a big argument, but from my own experiences on forums, chat rooms, Xbox Live, Internet gaming etc, is the same applicable the other way around? Are they hateful because they're insecure?

And before anyone asks, yes I have met my fair share of "hate".

Of course they are hateful because they are insecure. Blindly hating is usually based on fear of the unknown or different. Americans are just as capable of it.

[QUOTE="Masinai"]

These are in my opinion and my opinion only.

1: We are stupid.

2: We don't have our own culture, it's all stolen from other countries.

3: Worst government evar.

4: I just don't like it here.

*wants to move to Canada*

InterpolWilco

1. Even though we've been a leader in technology. The very Video Games you play are an American invention. Our school system sucks though, thats a valid complaint, though there are alternatives if you wish to take advantage and can afford them.

2. How is it stolen from other countries. My family is Irish, they brought over their culture from Ireland, same with my Italian side. Thats a ridiculous argument considering we've been a country for less than 250 years, and mass immigration didn't start till the mid 1850's. On top of the fact that American is a nationality, not an ethnicity.

3. The Government has its flaws, but to say its the worst ever? Have you ever heard of a dictatorship?.

4. Move. I used to think like you (oddly enough, wanted to move to Canada also) and then started realizing I love where I live.

Thats a ridiculous reason to hate a country, especially when America is well, The United States of America. What do we call ourselves?

Its also ridiculous to criticize an entire group of people based on the actions of a government, especially when most of the people disapprove on almost EVERY level.

1. AMERICANS DIDNT INVENT PHONE, MISTER BELL DID. I always found funny how people think that just because someone, not a country or ethnicity, by the way, invented something that it makes them great. Have you ever thought that if that guy or girl didnt invent that thingie someone else would have? If you knew anything about history, you would know that usually many people are trying to develop the same invention around the same time, anyways.

HURR DURR CANADIANS INVENTED BASKETBALL, WE INVENTED SKIDOOS, WE R BEST!!!! LOLOLOLllolololol.

Liberal Democracy died in the Middle East when the US and Britain assassinated Mossadeq, all because he wanted to nationalise Iranian oil. And yes he was a genuinely democratically elected of Iran. They then installed the puppet, brutal regime of the Iranian Shah... that didn't go quite to plan.... in fact hardly ever does it go to plan.

Hoobinator

Mossadeq wasn't assassinated, although he certainly was deposed in a coup that was directed by the CIA and British intelligence. But I wonder whether that otherwise true version of the historical events in Iran is taught in US high schools? Somehow, I suspect not! As far as the vast majority of Americans are concerned, the history of tension between the US and Iran probably began with the Iranians' "unprovoked" capture of the US embassy.

Much American hubris and self-righteousness is rooted in a blinkered view of history that portrays every US foreign policy deed as noble and unselfish, even when it's patently obvious to the rest of the world that it was motivated by greed and self-interest.

Cause we stick our noses where they dont belong.

We didnt belong in Veitnam, we really shoudlnt be in Iraq. We shouldnt get involved in Georgia but I have a bad feeling we will.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Liberal Democracy died in the Middle East when the US and Britain assassinated Mossadeq, all because he wanted to nationalise Iranian oil. And yes he was a genuinely democratically elected of Iran. They then installed the puppet, brutal regime of the Iranian Shah... that didn't go quite to plan.... in fact hardly ever does it go to plan.

Stesilaus

Mossadeq wasn't assassinated, although he certainly was deposed in a coup that was directed by the CIA and British intelligence. But I wonder whether that otherwise true version of the historical events in Iran is taught in US high schools? Somehow, I suspect not! As far as the vast majority of Americans are concerned, the history of tension between the US and Iran probably began with the Iranians' "unprovoked" capture of the US embassy.

Much American hubris and self-righteousness is rooted in a blinkered view of history that portrays every US foreign policy deed as noble and unselfish, even when it's patently obvious to the rest of the world that it was motivated by greed and self-interest.

Cause we stick our noses where they dont belong.

We didnt belong in Veitnam, we really shoudlnt be in Iraq. We shouldnt get involved in Georgia but I have a bad feeling we will.

Matt-4542

That would be a lot of people's reason

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Liberal Democracy died in the Middle East when the US and Britain assassinated Mossadeq, all because he wanted to nationalise Iranian oil. And yes he was a genuinely democratically elected of Iran. They then installed the puppet, brutal regime of the Iranian Shah... that didn't go quite to plan.... in fact hardly ever does it go to plan.

Stesilaus

Mossadeq wasn't assassinated, although he certainly was deposed in a coup that was directed by the CIA and British intelligence. But I wonder whether that otherwise true version of the historical events in Iran is taught in US high schools? Somehow, I suspect not! As far as the vast majority of Americans are concerned, the history of tension between the US and Iran probably began with the Iranians' "unprovoked" capture of the US embassy.

Much American hubris and self-righteousness is rooted in a blinkered view of history that portrays every US foreign policy deed as noble and unselfish, even when it's patently obvious to the rest of the world that it was motivated by greed and self-interest.

EXACTLY.

You just don't get it and refuse to even consider the possibility...

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Liberal Democracy died in the Middle East when the US and Britain assassinated Mossadeq, all because he wanted to nationalise Iranian oil. And yes he was a genuinely democratically elected of Iran. They then installed the puppet, brutal regime of the Iranian Shah... that didn't go quite to plan.... in fact hardly ever does it go to plan.

Stesilaus

Mossadeq wasn't assassinated, although he certainly was deposed in a coup that was directed by the CIA and British intelligence.

I haven't studied much on the actual topic beyond a few pages here and there, so I stand corrected.

Hoobinator was slightly wrong for once:( Only slightly though. I feel ashamed.

That mofo ruined your reputation in the last 8 year's ;).

Haziqonfire

Yeah, that's pretty much it. From what I remember, the United States was well respected and liked under President Clinton.

There's really no good reason to hate any contryShamrockRovers

[QUOTE="Matt-4542"]

Cause we stick our noses where they dont belong.

We didnt belong in Veitnam, we really shoudlnt be in Iraq. We shouldnt get involved in Georgia but I have a bad feeling we will.

ShamrockRovers

That would be a lot of people's reason

Its just political reasons if anyone does hate america, I dont think it had anything to do with the people

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Liberal Democracy died in the Middle East when the US and Britain assassinated Mossadeq, all because he wanted to nationalise Iranian oil. And yes he was a genuinely democratically elected of Iran. They then installed the puppet, brutal regime of the Iranian Shah... that didn't go quite to plan.... in fact hardly ever does it go to plan.

LJS9502_basic

Mossadeq wasn't assassinated, although he certainly was deposed in a coup that was directed by the CIA and British intelligence. But I wonder whether that otherwise true version of the historical events in Iran is taught in US high schools? Somehow, I suspect not! As far as the vast majority of Americans are concerned, the history of tension between the US and Iran probably began with the Iranians' "unprovoked" capture of the US embassy.

Much American hubris and self-righteousness is rooted in a blinkered view of history that portrays every US foreign policy deed as noble and unselfish, even when it's patently obvious to the rest of the world that it was motivated by greed and self-interest.

Direct verifiable sources which state Mossadeq was forcefully removed from power by western powers.

BBC Radio 4 Documentary

Quote:

"Iran had just nationalised the very oil fields that had powered Britain through two world wars. Downing Street wanted them back. London paid Iranian agents to sow seeds of dissent in Tehran. Then, to win American support for a coup, the men from the Ministry fanned fears of a Russian invasion.

Even the BBC was used to spearhead Britain's propaganda campaign."

The Independent (Leading UK national newspaper) on BNet.

New York Times. "Secrets of History:CIA in Iran"

Quote:

"The Central Intelligence Agency's secret history of its covert operation to overthrow Iran's government in 1953 offers an inside look at how the agency stumbled into success, despite a series of mishaps that derailed its original plans.

Written in 1954 by one of the coup's chief planners, the history details how United States and British officials plotted the military coup that returned the shah of Iran to power and toppled Iran's elected prime minister, an ardent nationalist"

CIA planning documents on the Coup of Iran.

National Security Archive.
This is backed up by National Security Council resolutions on the planning and carrying out of the coup.

Quote:

"The CIA, with help from British intelligence, planned, funded and implemented the operation. When the plot threatened to fall apart entirely at an early point, U.S. agents on the ground took the initiative to jump-start the operation, adapted the plans to fit the new circumstances, and pressed their Iranian collaborators to keep going. Moreover, a British-led oil boycott, supported by the United States, plus a wide range of ongoing political pressures by both governments against Mosaddeq, culminating in a massive covert propaganda campaign in the months leading up to the coup helped create the environment necessary for success."

There's plenty more, most of this was easily found on verifiable links from Wikipedia references section, without even resorting directly to Google. I mean you've got the CIA flat out stating how they're going to carry out the coup, but if you've got other evidence then bring it forth, I care not for anecdotal disagreements.

[QUOTE="ShamrockRovers"]

Loving your country is not wrong, Its just some americans seem to go about how great there country is for freedom and democracy, While so many other countries have the exact same thing and they seem to almost brag about it.

Rhazakna

Actually, other countries do not have the exact same thing. America is the only country with constitutionally protected speech.

Both the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland have laws on freedom of speech. I'm almost certain fredom of speech is a recognised Human Right aswell meaning around 75% of countries have it as law with only China and some African countries not having it formaly recognised.

Also I don't dislike The United States of America in any way (I've been twice on a 6 week stay with a family from New York state and in New England on a week long snowboarding holiday) but you did fund the IRA (Irish Reblican Army which resulted in the deaths of more people than died in September 11th) for 40 years then turned round and said "No were actually fighting terrorism".

Your general foreign policy is not very good (Athlough the Uk's hasn't been very good in the last 8 years either and at basically at any time before 1939). Your stance on global warming agreements is also not taken very well by the EU.

The EU also isn't keen on how religion plays sch a large part in USA politics.

Also in comparison to the EU your very up tight , I mean that as in the general populace can't take a joke. For example when I was snowboarding in New England we decided to wear thongs over are ski-gear, this was because in Northern Ireland we call underwear pants and so since inthe USA pants are worn on the outside it made sense to do it as a joke, but we just ended up getteing abuse hurled at us by big beffy guys with only a few people laugthing as we went past. If you did that in the EU people would just laugth and get on with it.

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

But I wonder whether that otherwise true version of the historical events in Iran is taught in US high schools? Somehow, I suspect not! As far as the vast majority of Americans are concerned, the history of tension between the US and Iran probably began with the Iranians' "unprovoked" capture of the US embassy.

Much American hubris and self-righteousness is rooted in a blinkered view of history that portrays every US foreign policy deed as noble and unselfish, even when it's patently obvious to the rest of the world that it was motivated by greed and self-interest.

Hoobinator

Direct verifiable sources which state Mossadeq was forcefully removed from power by western powers.

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

Liberal Democracy died in the Middle East when the US and Britain assassinated Mossadeq, all because he wanted to nationalise Iranian oil. And yes he was a genuinely democratically elected of Iran. They then installed the puppet, brutal regime of the Iranian Shah... that didn't go quite to plan.... in fact hardly ever does it go to plan.

LJS9502_basic

Mossadeq wasn't assassinated, although he certainly was deposed in a coup that was directed by the CIA and British intelligence. But I wonder whether that otherwise true version of the historical events in Iran is taught in US high schools? Somehow, I suspect not! As far as the vast majority of Americans are concerned, the history of tension between the US and Iran probably began with the Iranians' "unprovoked" capture of the US embassy.

Much American hubris and self-righteousness is rooted in a blinkered view of history that portrays every US foreign policy deed as noble and unselfish, even when it's patently obvious to the rest of the world that it was motivated by greed and self-interest.

But can you refute my suspicions??? Why don't you tell us: What exactly do US high schools teach their pupils about Mossadeq, the Shah and the Iranian revolution?

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="ShamrockRovers"]

Loving your country is not wrong, Its just some americans seem to go about how great there country is for freedom and democracy, While so many other countries have the exact same thing and they seem to almost brag about it.

muff07

Actually, other countries do not have the exact same thing. America is the only country with constitutionally protected speech.

Both the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland have laws on freedom of speech. I'm almost certain fredom of speech is a recognised Human Right aswell meaning around 75% of countries have it as law with only China and some African countries not having it formaly recognised.

Also I don't dislike The United States of America in any way (I've been twice on a 6 week stay with a family from New York state and in New England on a week long snowboarding holiday) but you did fund the IRA (Irish Reblican Army which resulted in the deaths of more people than died in September 11th) for 40 years then turned round and said "No were actually fighting terrorism".

Your general foreign policy is not very good (Athlough the Uk's hasn't been very good in the last 8 years either and at basically at any time before 1939). Your stance on global warming agreements is also not taken very well by the EU.

The EU also isn't keen on how religion plays sch a large part in USA politics.

Also in comparison to the EU your very up tight , I mean that as in the general populace can't take a joke. For example when I was snowboarding in New England we decided to wear thongs over are ski-gear, this was because in Northern Ireland we call underwear pants and so since inthe USA pants are worn on the outside it made sense to do it as a joke, but we just ended up getteing abuse hurled at us by big beffy guys with only a few people laugthing as we went past. If you did that in the EU people would just laugth and get on with it.

Ireland has laws on free speech. But funding the IRA 70 or 80 years ago was a just cause for Irish-Americans

As much as I love my country, the USA, there is much to be critizise, and much to be the reason why others hate us.

Does anyone remember 9-11? (Do not DARE call it a conspiracy). Did you know that much of the world felt sorry for us when that plane destroyed the twin towers, including the arabs and the poorest of people. What happened? Bush did what any puppet of war does, go atttack a country that has no reason to be attacked and buy off the oil from Saudi arabia, who's kingdom is swimming in money.

One answer should sum this all up, the rich, as they keep themselves rich and let the rest starve, those are the biggest monsters to live on this very planet.

rctyke

/thread ( i think )

But can you refute my suspicions??? Why don't you tell us: What exactly do US high schools teach their pupils about Mossadeq, the Shah and the Iranian revolution?

Stesilaus

The fact that I'm not in high school...and thus don't want to assume like you have....proves nothing. Americans hear the good and the bad while in school. That much I do know. Generalizations are rarely correct across the board.

The IRA fromaly accepted money from the United States in 1998 and even Sinn Fienn declared that they (The IRA not Sinn Fienn) had been given money by American Citizens.

That funding only ceased when September 11th occured and when America realised the truth of how devestating long term or single large terrorist events can be.

EDIT: And funding any paramiltry organization in Northern Ireland is as much a just cause as supporting Al-que eda .Ie its not just in any way.

[QUOTE="rctyke"]

As much as I love my country, the USA, there is much to be critizise, and much to be the reason why others hate us.

Does anyone remember 9-11? (Do not DARE call it a conspiracy). Did you know that much of the world felt sorry for us when that plane destroyed the empire state building, including the arabs and the poorest of people. What happened? Bush did what any puppet of war does, go atttack a country that has no reason to be attacked and buy off the oil from Saudi arabia, who's kingdom is swimming in money.

One answer should sum this all up, the rich, as they keep themselves rich and let the rest starve, those are the biggest monsters to live on this very planet.

taj7575

/thread ( i think )

[QUOTE="rctyke"]

As much as I love my country, the USA, there is much to be critizise, and much to be the reason why others hate us.

Does anyone remember 9-11? (Do not DARE call it a conspiracy). Did you know that much of the world felt sorry for us when that plane destroyed the twin towers, including the arabs and the poorest of people. What happened? Bush did what any puppet of war does, go atttack a country that has no reason to be attacked and buy off the oil from Saudi arabia, who's kingdom is swimming in money.

One answer should sum this all up, the rich, as they keep themselves rich and let the rest starve, those are the biggest monsters to live on this very planet.

taj7575

/thread ( i think )

He means the WTC, right? Not the empire state building.

But can you refute my suspicions??? Why don't you tell us: What exactly do US high schools teach their pupils about Mossadeq, the Shah and the Iranian revolution?

Stesilaus

To this I can only point out one anecdotal experience, and that was from Oprah, I know Oprah is stupid but none the less she has a LOT of people who listen to her.

Anyway she had the Iranian queen, the old Shah's wife, that puppet of America installed after Mossadeq was taken out of power, and basically the whole conversation was about how badly her experiences had been with the Iranian revolution without mentioning the reasons why the revolution took place at all. She was putting forward a slightly distorted picture of events. Again you might say, this is her experiences and she is entitled to it, but when you're putting forward information which people are taking as fact at face value, you get into trouble.

I know this might sound like a small point, but it puts a wrong image in the mind of many people of why the Islamic Revolution happened in Iran, it wasn't anti-American, as it was anti-Imperialist, but of course if you're not gonna bother reporting on that part, many people tend to get the wrong end of the stick, and basically a lack of information or not painting a whole picture is as good as distorting the picture.

Again, take it only at face value since it is only anecdotal evidence. You might be able to see the interview online on Youtube if you can find it.

Ireland has laws on free speech. But funding the IRA 70 or 80 years ago was a just cause for Irish-Americans

ShamrockRovers

Funding the IRA, a group who have slaughtered countless men women and children in the pursuit of a movement the northern irish people dont even want, are being put in the same sentence as "just cause". :|

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

But can you refute my suspicions??? Why don't you tell us: What exactly do US high schools teach their pupils about Mossadeq, the Shah and the Iranian revolution?

LJS9502_basic

The fact that I'm not in high school...and thus don't want to assume like you have....proves nothing. Americans hear the good and the bad while in school. That much I do know. Generalizations are rarely correct across the board.

Yes, that's true. Looking back at my earlier posting, I was guilty of generalizing, and I apologize for that.

[QUOTE="ShamrockRovers"]

Ireland has laws on free speech. But funding the IRA 70 or 80 years ago was a just cause for Irish-Americans

Ninja-Hippo

Funding the IRA, a group who have slaughtered countless men women and children in the pursuit of a movement the northern irish people dont even want, are being put in the same sentence as "just cause". :|

I said 70 or 80 years ago when all of Ireland was in British control

mostly because of iraq

wait scratch that....abosulutely because of iraq

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

It's not so much jealousy as insecurity.

sonicare

I know. I was just referring to why so many people hate on the US. It's not because they are necessarily jealous - many of them come from prosperous countries or situations that are better for them than in the states. It's that they are insecure. Why else hate on something that has no effect on them?

Maybe they have a genuine beef with the American government? I think that comment is rediculous, to be honest. :?

I said 70 or 80 years ago when all of Ireland was in British control

ShamrockRovers

I mis-read. Completely my fault, i apologise. :)

The IRA fromaly accepted money from the United States in 1998 and even Sinn Fienn declared that they (The IRA not Sinn Fienn) had been given money by American Citizens.

That funding only ceased when September 11th occured and when America realised the truth of how devestating long term or single large terrorist events can be.

EDIT: And funding any paramiltry organization in Northern Ireland is as much a just cause as supporting Al-que eda .Ie its not just in any way.

muff07

Yes and yes. Here are your sources which corrobarate everything you've just said.

The Washington Post: Discreet charm of the Terrorist Cause. This article discusses the help the IRA received from the US and US citizens.

The Times: MI5 helped IRA buy bomb parts in US. Again help coming from both insider British and US operatives.

[QUOTE="ShamrockRovers"]

I said 70 or 80 years ago when all of Ireland was in British control

Ninja-Hippo

I mis-read. Completely my fault, i apologise. :)

No, your right 70's and 80's was a horrible time in british and irish history, So many innocent lives lost.

I'm not from USA, and i don't hate USA.

I like USA because they stand for freedom and i consider them a ally to my country.

But i dislike some of the people who lives in USA, and the reason why I don't like them is that they tend to think a little to good about them-self and their country.

For example I've been hanging around this forum for about a month or two and i have already seen several threads that consists of US citizens expressing their love for their country, and i don't mind that but it is the way they are doing it (its one thread about this on the first page when I'm writing this), one guy wrote in his thread that USA was the greatest nation in the world because of that USA invented democracy and that USA has the best political system in the world, and for me that sounds like real bull sh*t because i know that both those statements are false.

But since this is just a small % of USAs population I don't hate the US (but they tend to make allot of noise so it can seem like all USA citizens are like that and that may be a reason that people hate them, and allso the political leaders of USA tend to use the saying "god bless America the greatest nation in the whole world" or something like that that may be their opinion but for me that seems to be like taunting other nations).

Sorry for bad grammar and stuff but English is not my native language and I'm not that old.

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

But can you refute my suspicions??? Why don't you tell us: What exactly do US high schools teach their pupils about Mossadeq, the Shah and the Iranian revolution?

LJS9502_basic

The fact that I'm not in high school...and thus don't want to assume like you have....proves nothing. Americans hear the good and the bad while in school. That much I do know. Generalizations are rarely correct across the board.

Sorry for bad grammar and stuff but English is not my native language and I'm not that old.

Jarneklo

I agree with you entirely mad. I have no problem with patriotism at all, it's the manner in which some people go about it. Loving your country is just fine, but saying your country is better than somebody else's is just ignorant, and will obviously cause offense to that person.

Just silly.

Some were members of Congress, such as Michael Flannery, Noraid's founder, who once said that "the more British soldiers sent home from Ulster in coffins, the better,"

That is why some people dislike America.

I'm not from USA, and i don't hate USA.

I like USA because they stand for freedom and i consider them a ally to my country.

But i dislike some of the people who lives in USA, and the reason why I don't like them is that they tend to think a little to good about them-self and their country.

For example I've been hanging around this forum for about a month or two and i have already seen several threads that consists of US citizens expressing their love for their country, and i don't mind that but it is the way they are doing it (its one thread about this on the first page when I'm writing this), one guy wrote in his thread that USA was the greatest nation in the world because of that USA invented democracy and that USA has the best political system in the world, and for me that sounds like real bull sh*t because i know that both those statements are false.

But since this is just a small % of USAs population I don't hate the US (but they tend to make allot of noise so it can seem like all USA citizens are like that and that may be a reason that people hate them, and allso the political leaders of USA tend to use the saying "god bless America the greatest nation in the whole world" or something like that that may be their opinion but for me that seems to be like taunting other nations).

Sorry for bad grammar and stuff but English is not my native language and I'm not that old.

Jarneklo

I completly agree 100%, I'd like to think they are an ally to my conutry as well