How do atheists cope with the thought of nothingness when you die?

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]]Where did the materials originate?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="CrocodileNuts"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]So... then God also had a beginning?Engrish_Major

Well... an infinite past is mathematically impossible and something cannot come from nothing. These premises suggest that a creator is the most logical explanation. Call it whatever you want, I call it God.CrocodileNuts

Because if its within our natural laws, there is nothing eternal. What you explained above doesn't prove anything about how something being beginning-less.racer8dan

[QUOTE="CrocodileNuts"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]So... then God also had a beginning?Engrish_Major

Nobody ever said you were being illogical, but because people fail to believe in God they turn to science for a logical explanation, which they have failed to deliver.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="CrocodileNuts"]Nope. God has no age, He was not created and does not exist within time.CrocodileNuts

How did the creator come to be then? Surely he must have been created, etc.? Saying that the world was just created like that and just stapling the infinity problem down and saying "God created the universe. God has always existed, but it's still impossible to have no beginning. But God's ways are totally mysterious and he doesn't exist according to our laws of time and space." is a little nonsensical and a lazy excuse not to think. How is a deity the most logical explanation, if his existence is purely illogical, according to you?

Christ bore the punishment, experienced the full wrath of God on the cross, in payment for His sheep's sin. When one repents and is reborn, a new creature in Christ, they are changed. They will no longer live a life of intentional sin. Scripture reveals that someone that calls themselves a Christian but continues in a life of intention sin in disobedience to the Lord is not a born again child of God. True salvation in Christ is much more than just walking the aisle and saying a prayer, looking for a free ticket to heaven. It is a new way of life.

blackregiment

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Christ bore the punishment, experienced the full wrath of God on the cross, in payment for His sheep's sin. When one repents and is reborn, a new creature in Christ, they are changed. They will no longer live a life of intentional sin. Scripture reveals that someone that calls themselves a Christian but continues in a life of intention sin in disobedience to the Lord is not a born again child of God. True salvation in Christ is much more than just walking the aisle and saying a prayer, looking for a free ticket to heaven. It is a new way of life.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="CrocodileNuts"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]And you guys are stating that we are being illogical?ex-mortis

How did the creator come to be then? Surely he must have been created, etc.? Saying that the world was just created like that and just stapling the infinity problem down and saying "God created the universe. God has always existed, but it's still impossible to have no beginning. But God's ways are totally mysterious and he doesn't exist according to our laws of time and space." is a little nonsensical and a lazy excuse not to think. How is a deity the most logical explanation, if his existence is purely illogical, according to you?

[QUOTE="ex-mortis"]

[QUOTE="CrocodileNuts"]Well... an infinite past is mathematically impossible and something cannot come from nothing. These premises suggest that a creator is the most logical explanation. Call it whatever you want, I call it God.racer8dan

How did the creator come to be then? Surely he must have been created, etc.? Saying that the world was just created like that and just stapling the infinity problem down and saying "God created the universe. God has always existed, but it's still impossible to have no beginning. But God's ways are totally mysterious and he doesn't exist according to our laws of time and space." is a little nonsensical and a lazy excuse not to think. How is a deity the most logical explanation, if his existence is purely illogical, according to you?

[QUOTE="CrocodileNuts"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]And you guys are stating that we are being illogical?ex-mortis

How did the creator come to be then? Surely he must have been created, etc.? Saying that the world was just created like that and just stapling the infinity problem down and saying "God created the universe. God has always existed, but it's still impossible to have no beginning. But God's ways are totally mysterious and he doesn't exist according to our laws of time and space." is a little nonsensical and a lazy excuse not to think. How is a deity the most logical explanation, if his existence is purely illogical, according to you?

Lazy excuse not to think? I've questioned my beliefs before and after much thinking, I am pretty firm about my beliefs. I believe God exists because He is a fathomable answer to why everything exists.CrocodileNuts

Lets solve this debate once and for all!

Hop in!

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="ex-mortis"]

How did the creator come to be then? Surely he must have been created, etc.? Saying that the world was just created like that and just stapling the infinity problem down and saying "God created the universe. God has always existed, but it's still impossible to have no beginning. But God's ways are totally mysterious and he doesn't exist according to our laws of time and space." is a little nonsensical and a lazy excuse not to think. How is a deity the most logical explanation, if his existence is purely illogical, according to you?

comp_atkins

Nope. God has no age, He was not created and does not exist within time.CrocodileNuts

How can you prove that:

1. there is a god
2. he has no age
3. he was not created
4. he doesn't exist within time

And while we're at it

5. why do you assume that there's only 1 god? Why not gazillions?

Exactly. So why do people say God absolutely can't exist, and whoever believes that, is lazy and stupid. While I'm sitting here arguing against atheist's of the existence of an everlasting rock.

racer8dan

Lets solve this debate once and for all!

Hop in!

Jynxzor

[QUOTE="CrocodileNuts"]Lazy excuse not to think? I've questioned my beliefs before and after much thinking, I am pretty firm about my beliefs. I believe God exists because He is a fathomable answer to why everything exists.Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

Exactly. So why do people say God absolutely can't exist, and whoever believes that, is lazy and stupid. While I'm sitting here arguing against atheist's of the existence of an everlasting rock.

Engrish_Major

what I have experienced with my walk with God has given me solid proof of His existence.CrocodileNuts

And what did you experience if I may ask?

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="CrocodileNuts"]Lazy excuse not to think? I've questioned my beliefs before and after much thinking, I am pretty firm about my beliefs. I believe God exists because He is a fathomable answer to why everything exists.CrocodileNuts

By rock I was refering to anything being naturaly everlasting.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

By rock I was refering to anything being naturaly everlasting.

Engrish_Major

So you believe everything can be explained naturaly?

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]I have thought about it more than you can imagine, and it makes the most sense to me, if it doesn't to you, then thats good for you, that doesn't mean its my excuse for being lazy.

racer8dan

I haven't exactly been following this thread, but personally I don't ever say God is impossible. I just don't think saying God can exist because he doesn't make sense to us is logical. You need a lot more proof than that to support the existence of a deity like this. Proof you will not get until the day you die. At least science has been making its inferences based on theories already deemed theoretically possible. It doesn't have any absolute answers, and probably never will, but saying that a creator must have created this universe is taking numerous hitherto unexplained phenomena and attributing them to something purely inexplicable. That's not exactly helping the problem. I'm not saying religious people are simple minded and come to their conclusion through 5 minutes of pondering, I'm merely saying it's not fair to use people's inability to give concrete answers to support your arguments.

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

So you believe everything can be explained naturaly?

Engrish_Major

So then you believe everything can be explained naturaly.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]

Exactly. So why do people say God absolutely can't exist, and whoever believes that, is lazy and stupid. While I'm sitting here arguing against atheist's of the existence of an everlasting rock.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="CrocodileNuts"] what I have experienced with my walk with God has given me solid proof of His existence.TheFlush

And what did you experience if I may ask?

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

So then you believe everything can be explained naturaly.

Engrish_Major

And yet you deny having said a supernatural God doesn't exist, so you then believe God can be explained naturally?

racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

And yet you deny having said a supernatural God doesn't exist, so you then believe God can be explained naturally?

Engrish_Major

Then you really are denying the possibility of a supernatural God, one which can not be explained, logically, with science.

racer8dan

i am surprised this topic had gone this far :shock:

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

[QUOTE="CrocodileNuts"] what I have experienced with my walk with God has given me solid proof of His existence.CrocodileNuts

And what did you experience if I may ask?

Do you care to share those authentic miracles?

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

Then you really are denying the possibility of a supernatural God, one which can not be explained, logically, with science.

Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]

Then you really are denying the possibility of a supernatural God, one which can not be explained, logically, with science.

racer8dan

So either you believe that everything can be explained naturally or you believe everything can't be explained naturally. either you believe the possiblity of a god outside of our natural law, or you don't. You can't believe both.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]Of course supernatural phenomena cannot be explained by science. Once it is explained, it is no longer supernatural.Jynxzor

God Can't be explained naturally ever, and when I say Can't I mean Can not be explained

racer8dan

and why would this be? Just because you think that a God can not ever be explained does not mean it ever will. People used to think the earth was the center of the universe, this at that point in time was a undeniable fact...guess they got shown otherwise down the road eh?

That's not the point, he said he never denied the possibility of God, God Can't be explained naturally ever, and when I say Can't I mean Can not be explained, not in this year or in any year. when you don't deny this to be a possibility and you also believe everything can be explained. the two beliefs collide.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

That's not the point, he said he never denied the possibility of God, God Can't be explained naturally ever, and when I say Can't I mean Can not be explained, not in this year or in any year. when you don't deny this to be a possibility and you also believe everything can be explained. the two beliefs collide.

Engrish_Major

God is a spirit outside of time and space.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

God is a spirit outside of time and space.

Engrish_Major

Well if you go by science (and Buddhism oddly enough) you never really die and you are never really born, you just take on different forms of matter.

To quote the Lion King "When we die we become the grass and the antelope eat the grass"

Heaven and all that jazz is attainable here on earth, it's foolish to believe in some glorious afterlife because really you're going to waste your life atoning and doing all this stuff when really all you need is a bit of inner peace and some moral compass, you don't have to follow religion to be charitable or good or morally sound.

Religion is a guideline, nothing more, even me (a Buddhist) has been taught that no canon, written by our scholars and monastics or otherwise, is 100% true. As a Buddhist I'm not supposed to vehemently and stubbornly defend my faith as many other religions do. I mostly use Buddhism as a guide to help me through tougher times and to look inward and outward in order to make the world around me a better place.

God is a spirit outside of time and space.