How do atheists cope with the thought of nothingness when you die?

[QUOTE="darkhadou"]You know, at some point in my life I questioned the legitimate existence of God (Jesus Christ) as well. If you truthfully give it attempt to know Him, there is no way (and I repeat NO WAY) that He would not reveal this truth to you!xaos

I'm not a scientist or a engineer, therefore I have difficulty differentiating from factual information and creationist propaganda being passed as factual information. I've seen enough creationist propaganda to know what they are like, they boarder on criminal activity at times pushing their agenda.

I think you are far too eager to reach your desired answer to be able to comment on anything in a unbiased manner, you have already decided there is a god; and you are simply seeking rational to justify your pre-existing agenda. What I know is everything creationists have submitted for peer review has failed; and rather than accept their ideas are none scientific they declare discrimination. Science isn't about being fair, either you meet the standard; or you are not science.

What I do know is the food I am currently eating, the warm and safe house I live in, the computer I am typing this on and everything else that has made the world a better and happier place to live in comes from the scientific method. Belief in a God and using him to fill the gaps in our knowledge on the other hand has produced nothing of value. I don't have to fully understand science and the natural world to know I am in the right by rejecting creationist propaganda.

I believe it [the Bible] because they are the words of the true God given to men!darkhadou

Plenty of time to sleep :P

nereik94

[QUOTE="darkhadou"]

Extraordinary claim require extraordinary evidence. Can you provide any reliable source for that?BuryMe

"There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature's numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming" - Paul Davies

"As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" - George Greenstein

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question" - Fred Hoyle

"Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan." - Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics)

"I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." - Roger Penrose

"Then we shall… be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God." - Stephen Hawking

"When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics." - Frank Tipler

"It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." - Antony Flew

Let me know if you want more

When one goes to hear a concert, nobody there is dwelling on when it will end, unless it's particularly dreadful. Generally, we attend concerts to enjoy the music while it's there, to focus on the eventual climax and worry solely about when the music will end misses the point entirely.

I'm here to enjoy the music.

[QUOTE="darkhadou"][QUOTE="xaos"] I hope that you have read the Eddas and accepted Odin as the All-Father, lest he be forced to judge you and condemn your soul to NiffleheimTeenaged

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] But if heaven is so amazing and incomprehensibly fantastic, what meaning does this life have?-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="darkhadou"]You know, at some point in my life I questioned the legitimate existence of God (Jesus Christ) as well. If you truthfully give it attempt to know Him, there is no way (and I repeat NO WAY) that He would not reveal this truth to you!darkhadou

These individuals are agnostic, scientists with PhDs, and study the universe for a living (some with Nobel Prizes). I think what they have to say/conclude about their studies would be better than what any inexperienced person has to say in here.darkhadou

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="darkhadou"]

"There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature's numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming" - Paul Davies

"As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" - George Greenstein

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question" - Fred Hoyle

"Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan." - Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics)

"I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." - Roger Penrose

"Then we shall… be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God." - Stephen Hawking

"When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics." - Frank Tipler

"It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." - Antony Flew

Let me know if you want more

darkhadou

Notice the wordings they themselves use:

"There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature's numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming" - Paul Davies

"As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" - George Greenstein

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question" - Fred Hoyle

"Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan." - Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics)

"I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." - Roger Penrose

"Then we shall… be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God." - Stephen Hawking -That is merely a statement (implied) that God exists. Not proof.

"When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics." - Frank Tipler

"It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." - Antony Flew

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="darkhadou"]You know, at some point in my life I questioned the legitimate existence of God (Jesus Christ) as well. If you truthfully give it attempt to know Him, there is no way (and I repeat NO WAY) that He would not reveal this truth to you!darkhadou

[QUOTE="darkhadou"]I believe it [the Bible] because they are the words of the true God given to men!muthsera666

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] But if heaven is so amazing and incomprehensibly fantastic, what meaning does this life have?-Sun_Tzu-

Here are a couple of short articles that may help answer the questions you posed. I hope you find them helpful.

http://www.gotquestions.org/meaning-of-life.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/purpose-of-life.html

[QUOTE="darkhadou"]

Guys, observe this example. If you were blind and living in a cave, does it mean the Sun doesn't exist? Or does the Sun exist regardless of your condition here on Earth?

My point is that it doesn't matter what your backgroud or nationality is. The truth is that there is an Almighty God, and His Word can be read in the bible. And the Word applies to every one of us regardless if you're atheist, muslim, hindu, or christian.

BuryMe

[QUOTE="darkhadou"]These individuals are agnostic, scientists with PhDs, and study the universe for a living (some with Nobel Prizes). I think what they have to say/conclude about their studies would be better than what any inexperienced person has to say in here.xaos

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

[QUOTE="darkhadou"] He will judge you for not believeing in Him, despite all the literature about Him all over the world.darkhadou

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="darkhadou"]

Guys, observe this example. If you were blind and living in a cave, does it mean the Sun doesn't exist? Or does the Sun exist regardless of your condition here on Earth?

My point is that it doesn't matter what your backgroud or nationality is. The truth is that there is an Almighty God, and His Word can be read in the bible. And the Word applies to every one of us regardless if you're atheist, muslim, hindu, or christian.

DarkBalta_basic

[QUOTE="darkhadou"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]He said "evidence". Not opinions of individuals.

Notice the wordings they themselves use:

"There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature's numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming" - Paul Davies

"As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" - George Greenstein

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question" - Fred Hoyle

"Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan." - Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics)

"I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." - Roger Penrose

"Then we shall… be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God." - Stephen Hawking -That is merely a statement (implied) that God exists. Not proof.

"When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics." - Frank Tipler

"It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." - Antony Flew

I believe in God, and I can also see why you think its ridiculous, but then I look at the evidence around me, people, the earth, the universe, everything, and I always come to the conclusion that there has to be a creator behind it, its just to great for everthing to of just come together by chance. People have a hard time beleiving in a coincidental story presented to them, yet they beleive the entire universe, and placement of everthing within it, is just coincidental.

racer8dan

I believe it because they are the words of the true God given to men! Let me ask you something. How was the universe formed? And before you answer that, I would point out to you that there are "Atheist Scientists" who study the Universe for a living, and have proclaimed that "There has to be being that created it" because of how all the galaxies exist in perfect and uniform harmony darkhadou

Why do we need to answer that question right now? We understand almost nothing about the universe right now, so asking the question of how it was formed is unreasonable. Saying something like "it was formed by God" is just a way to attempt to explain something we don't understand. Not having an answer to the creation of the universe doesn't mean God automatically exists, it just means we don't understand enough about science yet.

More on topic- I think about it (contrary to what some have suggested about atheists/agnostics) but I don't really worry about it. I mean sure, an afterlife would be nice, but I've seen no science to suggest one thus far.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="darkhadou"] I believe it because they are the words of the true God given to men! Let me ask you something. How was the universe formed? And before you answer that, I would point out to you that there are "Atheist Scientists" who study the Universe for a living, and have proclaimed that "There has to be being that created it" because of how all the galaxies exist in perfect and uniform harmony darkhadou

"There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature's numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming" - Paul Davies

"As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" - George Greenstein

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question" - Fred Hoyle

"Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan." - Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics)

"I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." - Roger Penrose

"Then we shall… be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God." - Stephen Hawking

"When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics." - Frank Tipler

"It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." - Antony Flew

Let me know if you want more

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="darkhadou"] These individuals are agnostic, scientists with PhDs, and study the universe for a living (some with Nobel Prizes). I think what they have to say/conclude about their studies would be better than what any inexperienced person has to say in here.darkhadou

Notice the wordings they themselves use:

"There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature's numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming" - Paul Davies

"As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" - George Greenstein

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question" - Fred Hoyle

"Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan." - Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics)

"I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." - Roger Penrose

"Then we shall… be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God." - Stephen Hawking -That is merely a statement (implied) that God exists. Not proof.

"When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics." - Frank Tipler

"It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." - Antony Flew

Regardless, it doesnt change the fact that they themselves make sure to state what they state with a wording that isnt absolute, making it apparent that they havent proven for a fact that a God exists. Their wording is far too indicative to ignore it.

[QUOTE="darkhadou"][QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]Which I did say I don't believe, so I'll let the big guy up above judge me I guess.

Lord_Omikron666

Then I pray that you do. May God richly bless you.

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

I believe in God, and I can also see why you think its ridiculous, but then I look at the evidence around me, people, the earth, the universe, everything, and I always come to the conclusion that there has to be a creator behind it, its just to great for everthing to of just come together by chance. People have a hard time beleiving in a coincidental story presented to them, yet they beleive the entire universe, and placement of everthing within it, is just coincidental.

bballm10

I believe it because they are the words of the true God given to men! Let me ask you something. How was the universe formed? And before you answer that, I would point out to you that there are "Atheist Scientists" who study the Universe for a living, and have proclaimed that "There has to be being that created it" because of how all the galaxies exist in perfect and uniform harmony darkhadou

Why do we need to answer that question right now? We understand almost nothing about the universe right now, so asking the question of how it was formed is unreasonable. Saying something like "it was formed by God" is just a way to attempt to explain something we don't understand. Not having an answer to the creation of the universe doesn't mean God automatically exists, it just means we don't understand enough about science yet.

I think it's something we all have to "cope" with, but we all have different ways to do it. Many religious people deal with it by imagining an eternal after life.

I think of myself and others as a product of an amazing evolution of life, and consider myself very lucky to have any time at all being a sentient being. When my time comes, well, I'll be grateful for having existed.

Science will NEVER be able to prove how the universe came about from nothing. So if thats what your waiting for, then your wasting your time.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="bballm10"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="darkhadou"] I believe it because they are the words of the true God given to men! Let me ask you something. How was the universe formed? And before you answer that, I would point out to you that there are "Atheist Scientists" who study the Universe for a living, and have proclaimed that "There has to be being that created it" because of how all the galaxies exist in perfect and uniform harmony racer8dan

Why do we need to answer that question right now? We understand almost nothing about the universe right now, so asking the question of how it was formed is unreasonable. Saying something like "it was formed by God" is just a way to attempt to explain something we don't understand. Not having an answer to the creation of the universe doesn't mean God automatically exists, it just means we don't understand enough about science yet.

Not really, theoretical physics suggests that "something" comes from nothing in the universe all the time. It has actually been stated that it would make more sense that something came from nothing. I know this is a bold claim, so I'll try to find the video/evidence.

Edit: Found it. Very long, but if you have the time check it out: it's fascinating.

[QUOTE="bballm10"]

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="darkhadou"] I believe it because they are the words of the true God given to men! Let me ask you something. How was the universe formed? And before you answer that, I would point out to you that there are "Atheist Scientists" who study the Universe for a living, and have proclaimed that "There has to be being that created it" because of how all the galaxies exist in perfect and uniform harmony racer8dan

Why do we need to answer that question right now? We understand almost nothing about the universe right now, so asking the question of how it was formed is unreasonable. Saying something like "it was formed by God" is just a way to attempt to explain something we don't understand. Not having an answer to the creation of the universe doesn't mean God automatically exists, it just means we don't understand enough about science yet.

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"][QUOTE="darkhadou"] We are ALL gonna get jugded brother. A lot of judgements would not end well. You know, at some point in my life I questioned the legitimate existence of God (Jesus Christ) as well. If you truthfully give it attempt to know Him, there is no way (and I repeat NO WAY) that He would not reveal this truth to you!darkhadou

Then I pray that you do. May God richly bless you.

What if all atheists are blessed by God to counter the possible misnformation spread by theism currently?

What if he appreciates doubt over insufficient evidence more, than believing without investigating in an attempt to fix possible existing errors in our religious tradition?

What if God is dissaproving of theists who never doubt a lot about what they are being told, and sees them as idle "agents" who are not treating what little sperms of evidence He has given us in an active and reformational manner?

Extraordinary claim require extraordinary evidence. Can you provide any reliable source for that?BuryMe

"There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature's numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming" - Paul Davies

"As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" - George Greenstein

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question" - Fred Hoyle

"Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan." - Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics)

"I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." - Roger Penrose

"Then we shall… be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God." - Stephen Hawking

"When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics." - Frank Tipler

"It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." - Antony Flew

Let me know if you want more

Again, your entire posting here is you CLINGING onto other people's thoughts and words. The ONLY true answer is agnosticism.. you dont know if anything does or doesnt exist, some would argue its atheist.. but all youre allowing here is for yourself to be indoctrinated again and again. Let me let a bit of worldly advice to you. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THEYRE TALKING ABOUT. Not me. Not you. Not those scientists. And not the dudes who wrote your bible.. we are all small minded men, just some of us choose to make our own choices, i hope you one day see that and make your own. Praising some figure in the sky someone told you to praise isnt going to get you into a "better" afterlife.. youre just helping to amass people to fill their pockets. Keep that in mind. This is probably a fool's errand telling you this, but, I really think you should consider it. Life is much more than a religion. Its beautiful, unique, colorful and theres so much more to it than you blowing your god so you can get into his club after you die. Hopefully this is a lesson learned for you, but, i doubt it. Good luck on your enlightenment.DarkBalta_basic

We can only understand our universe based on what is readily seen.

One minor knock I have against Agnosticism is that it inadvertently considers all fantastic imaginings. I do not believe in unicorns for very much the same reason I do not believe in any of the gods humanity has worshipped throughout history. Surely, unicorns could exist on other planets, or exist on a plain of reality impossible to detect with our limited eye and brainpower. Yet because there is absolutely zero evidence that suggests this; I can safely and confidently assume that until reality shows otherwise, there's no reason to consider such a notion. As reality gives me no incentive to do so.

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="bballm10"]

Why do we need to answer that question right now? We understand almost nothing about the universe right now, so asking the question of how it was formed is unreasonable. Saying something like "it was formed by God" is just a way to attempt to explain something we don't understand. Not having an answer to the creation of the universe doesn't mean God automatically exists, it just means we don't understand enough about science yet.

mourninguser1

Why do we need to answer that question right now? We understand almost nothing about the universe right now, so asking the question of how it was formed is unreasonable. Saying something like "it was formed by God" is just a way to attempt to explain something we don't understand. Not having an answer to the creation of the universe doesn't mean God automatically exists, it just means we don't understand enough about science yet.

bballm10

As one person put it. If you were to throw a laptop into the steam age with everything needed to build a piece of technology on it, all it would be is a strange object made of none wooden or metal materials with a pretty light show; until eventually it stops making noise and light as the power runs out. All the information needed to create advanced technology was there, but the people back then would not be suitably advanced enough to do anything useful with it.

Stuff we don't understand about the universe is around today, that doesn't mean we will understand them today; nor that we never will understand them in the future.

The "God did it" argument is not only intellectually lazy; but also potentially damaging. As it discourages people to look for the truth when doing so is questioning the supreme being; and hence blasphemy.

Noi'm not wasting my life. Beleive in god and the saviour and don't sin/evil not too "out of the way". If everyone did this, there would be literal peace on earth.

racer8dan

Religion has been in a position of authority many times in history; and it doesn't have a good track record.

Why did this thread turn into a thread about God existing or not :?

And why are people questioning religion?

You stick to your beliefs I'll stick to mine, why must they be constantly put into question by others?

[QUOTE="darkhadou"]

Sorry, but I've found no such "truth"Lord_Omikron666

Then I pray that you do. May God richly bless you.

What if all atheists are blessed by God to counter the possible misnformation spread by theism currently?

What if he appreciates doubt over insufficient evidence more, than believing without investigating in an attempt to fix possible existing errors in our religious tradition?

What if God is dissaproving of theists who never doubt a lot about what they are being told, and sees them as idle "agents" who are not treating what little sperms of evidence He has given us in an active and reformational manner?

[QUOTE="bballm10"]

Why do we need to answer that question right now? We understand almost nothing about the universe right now, so asking the question of how it was formed is unreasonable. Saying something like "it was formed by God" is just a way to attempt to explain something we don't understand. Not having an answer to the creation of the universe doesn't mean God automatically exists, it just means we don't understand enough about science yet.

ADF_Game

As one person put it. If you were to throw a laptop into the steam age with everything needed to build a piece of technology on it, all it would be is a strange object made of none wooden or metal materials with a pretty light show; until eventually it stops making noise and light as the power runs out. All the information needed to create advanced technology was there, but the people back then would not be suitably advanced enough to do anything useful with it.

Stuff we don't understand about the universe is around today, that doesn't mean we will understand them today; nor that we never will understand them in the future.

The "God did it" argument is not only intellectually lazy; but also potentially damaging. As it discourages people to look for the truth when doing so is questioning the supreme being; and hence blasphemy.

Noi'm not wasting my life. Beleive in god and the saviour and don't sin/evil not too "out of the way". If everyone did this, there would be literal peace on earth.

racer8dan

Religion has been in a position of authority many times in history; and it doesn't have a good track record.

Why did this thread turn into a thread about God existing or not :?

And why are people questioning religion?

You stick to your beliefs I'll stick to mine, why must they be constantly put into question by others?

Snipes_2

Why did this thread turn into a thread about God existing or not :?

Snipes_2

It always does. One could make a thread about which kind of jam is best suited for PB&J construction and surely, this forum will turn it into a debate about the Judeo-Christian god's existence.

Life is beautiful, colorful, and so much more. I'm loving every moment of it!darkhadou

Why can't religion grow up...

It boggles my mind that in the 21st century there are still people affected by threats of supernatural punishment if the peasants didn't do what their church told them to do.

How do youdeal with the possibility that death is the end?

CrocodileNuts

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Then I pray that you do. May God richly bless you.

darkhadou

What if all atheists are blessed by God to counter the possible misnformation spread by theism currently?

What if he appreciates doubt over insufficient evidence more, than believing without investigating in an attempt to fix possible existing errors in our religious tradition?

What if God is dissaproving of theists who never doubt a lot about what they are being told, and sees them as idle "agents" who are not treating what little sperms of evidence He has given us in an active and reformational manner?

Thats good. If you believe that the Bible is the inerrant and unaltered God of word that is fine. But since it hasnt been proven that the Bible is for a fact and without a doubt the inerrant and unaltered word of God, you cant expect anyone to be convinced by what it says.

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Why did this thread turn into a thread about God existing or not :?

And why are people questioning religion?

You stick to your beliefs I'll stick to mine, why must they be constantly put into question by others?

xaos

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Why did this thread turn into a thread about God existing or not :?

dhyce

It always does. One could make a thread about which kind of jam is best suited for PB&J construction and surely, this forum will turn it into a debate about the Judeo-Christian god's existence.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Why did this thread turn into a thread about God existing or not :?

dhyce

It always does. One could make a thread about which kind of jam is best suited for PB&J construction and surely, this forum will turn it into a debate about the Judeo-Christian god's existence.

[QUOTE="mourninguser1"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]Science will NEVER be able to prove how the universe came about from nothing. So if thats what your waiting for, then your wasting your time.

racer8dan

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[QUOTE="mourninguser1"]And if your god is false you too are wasting the majority of your life. I'm fairly apathetic towards the origins of the universe. The answer would not make my life anymore meaningful.mourninguser1

Religion has been in a position of authority many times in history; and it doesn't have a good track record.

racer8dan

Stereotypical theist response. Take all the blame away from religion; and place it on humanity itself.

If you think a world ruled by supernatural beliefs doesn't result in absolute chaos I'm glad people like you are no longer in power, we would still be killing people for witchcraft. Which if you look at Africa today is still going on, because your missionaries got it into a superstitious country's head witches were real and they were a threat to the local population, the Bible says it after all.