How do atheists cope with the thought of nothingness when you die?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]Again, if you believe in the bible, we were meant to live forever on earth, but with sin came death. So pretty much, this life is temporary, and a choice to follow God or not follow God.

blackregiment

Here are a couple of short articles that may help answer the questions you posed. I hope you find them helpful.

http://www.gotquestions.org/meaning-of-life.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/purpose-of-life.html

Is it possible to think that after you die you just respawn into another living thing, whether if it's a cat, or a bug, or heck even another human, you just don't remember what you were before.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] So then you are admitting that life on earth is meaningless, are you not? As long as I follow all of God's arbitrary rules, does it really matter if I compose a great piece of music or write a great novel in this life? Why should I strive to achieve things? What value do any of my achievements have if this life is nothing more than a test?-Sun_Tzu-

Here are a couple of short articles that may help answer the questions you posed. I hope you find them helpful.

http://www.gotquestions.org/meaning-of-life.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/purpose-of-life.html

Not at all. Scripture reveals that our purpose in life is to love God, have fellowship with Him, have dominion over His creation, live in obedience to Him, love others in christ, do good works in service to Him, and share the Gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. We are also to glorify Him in everything we do. For those that accept Christ, there will be rewards in heaven based on our fruits in this temporal world.

Let me understand your statement. Are you implying that people of faith are ignorant and that is why the studies reflect that they tend to be happier and optimistic? Surely that is not what you are asserting.

blackregiment

Well one group thinks a magical man is going to solve all of our problems and give us eternal happiness after you die, the other recognises there are problems with the world and that death is the end of our existence.

It may make someone happier to think they are a billionaire; but that doesn't make them one. If someone is living under the belief that a god like being solves all our major problems (wouldn't let a big rock hit the planet/global warming) and turns death into a reward rather than something to fear; I wouldn't be surprised if they were happier. Being happier doesn't automatically make it a good thing though, sometimes we need to recognise things are bad so that they may be improved.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Let me understand your statement. Are you implying that people of faith are ignorant and that is why the studies reflect that they tend to be happier and optimistic? Surely that is not what you are asserting.

ADF_Game

Well one group thinks a magical man is going to solve all of our problems and give us eternal happiness after you die, the other recognises there are problems with the world and that death is the end of our existence.

It may make someone happier to think they are a billionaire; but that doesn't make them one. If someone is living under the belief that a god like being solves all our major problems (wouldn't let a big rock hit the planet/global warming) and turns death into a reward rather than something to fear; I wouldn't be surprised if they were happier. Being happier doesn't automatically make it a good thing though, sometimes we need to recognise things are bad so that they may be improved.

Sorry but Scripture does not teach that God "is going to solve all of our problems in this world." God is not a "swat team", ready to rush in and solve and fix all of humanity's problems that we bring on through our disobedience to His Word. God is most concerned about eternal things. We think in temporal terms. Our existence in this world is but a wisp of smoke compared to eternity.

Serving God in Christ and living in obedience to His Word is a joyful lfe with assurance of eternal salvation that also will help one to avoid many errors in this world.

I personally don't believe that there isn't anything, more that we just have no way of knowing what awaits us.Mr_Versipellis

I respect your right to believe that but the empty tomb, the resurrected Christ, and his promise to return for His sheep, His adopted children, says differently.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Here are a couple of short articles that may help answer the questions you posed. I hope you find them helpful.

http://www.gotquestions.org/meaning-of-life.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/purpose-of-life.html

blackregiment

Not at all. Scripture reveals that our purpose in life is to love God, have fellowship with Him, have dominion over His creation, live in obedience to Him, love others in christ, do good works in service to Him, and share the Gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. We are also to glorify Him in everything we do. For those that accept Christ, there will be rewards in heaven based on our fruits in this temporal world.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Those articles seem to confirm what I've been saying - that the afterlife renders this life meaningless.-Sun_Tzu-

Not at all. Scripture reveals that our purpose in life is to love God, have fellowship with Him, have dominion over His creation, live in obedience to Him, love others in christ, do good works in service to Him, and share the Gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. We are also to glorify Him in everything we do. For those that accept Christ, there will be rewards in heaven based on our fruits in this temporal world.

I guess you say that but I will add, that while in this world, we are called to do good in service to the Lord as we allow Him to work His will through us. If one studies all of Scripture, it becomes clear that God works His will in this world through people.

[QUOTE="Mr_Versipellis"]I personally don't believe that there isn't anything, more that we just have no way of knowing what awaits us.blackregiment

I respect your right to believe that but the empty tomb, the resurrected Christ, and his promise to return for His sheep, His adopted children, says differently.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Mr_Versipellis"]I personally don't believe that there isn't anything, more that we just have no way of knowing what awaits us.hillelslovak

I respect your right to believe that but the empty tomb, the resurrected Christ, and his promise to return for His sheep, His adopted children, says differently.

No.

In order for one not to believe that Jesus is God, that He was not raised from the dead, which therefore proves that God exists, they would have to deny the truth of the empty tomb and the Resurrection. In addition, they would have to deny the fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies in Christ. .

They would have to believe that the Apostles and early Christians made up the resurrection account. This would require a rational explanation for why the Apostles and early Christians would willingly endure persecution and death for something they knew was a lie? The Apostles and early Christians, many of whom were eyewitnesses to the resurrection, were stoned, beheaded, boiled in oil, imprisoned, crucified, scourged, fed to lions, clothed in animal skins and then torn apart by wild beasts, tarred and lit on fire, disemboweled, burnt at the stake, etc., rather than recant their faith.

A rational explanation would be required as to why the Jewish Priests and Roman authorities that wanted so much to stamp out early Christianity, as evidenced by their persecution of Christians, chose not to display Jesus' body to disprove the claims of the followers of Christ that he had arose from the dead., if they had stolen the body.

A rational explanation would be required for the dramatic change in the Apostles' behavior. They scattered and even denied knowing Jesus when He was arrested. After His death, they were crushed, in hiding, their Messiah put to death like a common criminal. Suddenly, after Jesus appeared to them there was a dramatic change. They began to openly preach the Gospel in the Temple in Jerusalem, the very city where Jesus was crucified. The very city where there were living eyewitnesses to the events that would have refuted them if they were lying. They were told to stop but defied the authorities. The endured persecution and ultimately death rather than recant their faith because they believed they saw, touched, and fellowshipped with the resurrected Jesus.

Also needing rational explanation would be why the Apostles were bold enough to preach the resurrection in Jerusalem, the very city where Christ was crucified, to crowds that lived during those events and could have easily disputed the resurrection claims publicly. If they were spreading a lie, why did they not go to some remote area where there were no eyewitnesses to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ that could disputed their claims if they were lying?

Also needing explanation is the dramatic conversion of Saul, later know as Paul, from a persecutor of Christians to follower of Christ and the greatest evangelist of all times.

Also, one would have to impair the credibility of the over 500 eyewitnesses to the resurrected Christ that are listed in Scripture.

Finally, one would need to explain why the early Church grew so quickly in a pagan world, especially when it was under intense persecution. Even today, in countries like North Korea and China, where Christians are under the most intense persecution, the Church is growing faster than in areas with less persecution.

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

I respect your right to believe that but the empty tomb, the resurrected Christ, and his promise to return for His sheep, His adopted children, says differently.

blackregiment

No.

In order for one not to believe that Jesus is God, that He was not raised from the dead, which therefore proves that God exists, they would have to deny the truth of the empty tomb and the Resurrection. In addition, they would have to deny the fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies in Christ. .

They would have to believe that the Apostles and early Christians made up the resurrection account. This would require a rational explanation for why the Apostles and early Christians would willingly endure persecution and death for something they knew was a lie? The Apostles and early Christians, many of whom were eyewitnesses to the resurrection, were stoned, beheaded, boiled in oil, imprisoned, crucified, scourged, fed to lions, clothed in animal skins and then torn apart by wild beasts, tarred and lit on fire, disemboweled, burnt at the stake, etc., rather than recant their faith.

A rational explanation would be required as to why the Jewish Priests and Roman authorities that wanted so much to stamp out early Christianity, as evidenced by their persecution of Christians, chose not to display Jesus' body to disprove the claims of the followers of Christ that he had arose from the dead., if they had stolen the body.

A rational explanation would be required for the dramatic change in the Apostles' behavior. They scattered and even denied knowing Jesus when He was arrested. After His death, they were crushed, in hiding, their Messiah put to death like a common criminal. Suddenly, after Jesus appeared to them there was a dramatic change. They began to openly preach the Gospel in the Temple in Jerusalem, the very city where Jesus was crucified. The very city where there were living eyewitnesses to the events that would have refuted them if they were lying. They were told to stop but defied the authorities. The endured persecution and ultimately death rather than recant their faith because they believed they saw, touched, and fellowshipped with the resurrected Jesus.

Also needing rational explanation would be why the Apostles were bold enough to preach the resurrection in Jerusalem, the very city where Christ was crucified, to crowds that lived during those events and could have easily disputed the resurrection claims publicly. If they were spreading a lie, why did they not go to some remote area where there were no eyewitnesses to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ that could disputed their claims if they were lying?

Also needing explanation is the dramatic conversion of Saul, later know as Paul, from a persecutor of Christians to follower of Christ and the greatest evangelist of all times.

Also, one would have to impair the credibility of the over 500 eyewitnesses to the resurrected Christ that are listed in Scripture.

Finally, one would need to explain why the early Church grew so quickly in a pagan world, especially when it was under intense persecution. Even today, in countries like North Korea and China, where Christians are under the most intense persecution, the Church is growing faster than in areas with less persecution.

[QUOTE="muthsera666"][QUOTE="darkhadou"]I believe it [the Bible] because they are the words of the true God given to men!darkhadou

The four gospels were written over a period of decades with the last being written 90 years after Christ's death... The four do contradict one another. Matthew states one man outside the tomb. Mark states two men outside the tomb. Luke states one angel outside the tomb. John states two angels outside the tomb. If a Roman soldier stabbed Christ in the side, why does only one book state this? If Christ walked with his followers after his death, why does only one book state this.

These are what you call contradictions. And if there are flaws in the very fabric of the construction around the Messiah, is it any wonder why the rest of the Bible is seen in such a dubious light? Not to mention contradicting Creation stories.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Here's an interesting study that was done comparing the happiness and optimism of people of faith vs secular people.

"How do religious Americans compare to the secular when it comes to happiness? In 2004, the General Social Survey asked a sample of Americans, "Would you say that you are very happy, pretty happy, or not too happy?" Religious people were more than twice as likely as the secular to say they were "very happy" (43% to 21%). Meanwhile, secular people were nearly three times as likely as the religious to say they were not too happy (21% to 8%). In the same survey, religious people were more than a third more likely than the secular to say they were optimistic about the future (34% to 24%)."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010672http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010672

And here is some additional information.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=435412&page=1

and another...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19551125&id=Jj4eAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CL8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=3355,6272213

and another...

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/301/are-we-happy-yet

blackregiment

Let me understand your statement. Are you implying that people of faith are ignorant and that is why the studies reflect that they tend to be happier and optimistic? Surely that is not what you are asserting.

surely it iscomp_atkins

Sucks to be them... Good luck.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]they say ignorance is bliss :Pblackregiment

[QUOTE="spazzx625"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"].............I'm not beating around the bush....My comment was easy to understand and clear. Whats so hard to understand about not coping with something? They dont face it, they dont think about it, so they dont deal with it because to most there is nothing to deal with......Whats so hard to understand? And nobody told you what yo think...So I am double lost here.MoonMarvel

I personally believe that Horus, who was born from divine conception (on December 25th nonetheless), died for my salvation upon that tree in Egypt 4500 years ago (though it seemed like only yesterday). Accpting Horus as your savior is the only way to gain passage into heaven!Engrish_Major

I would rather accept the truth of nothingness than force myself to believe, and spend my entire life living a lie trying to comfort myself by stating that there is something after death, when there isn't.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]I personally believe that Horus, who was born from divine conception (on December 25th nonetheless), died for my salvation upon that tree in Egypt 4500 years ago (though it seemed like only yesterday). Accpting Horus as your savior is the only way to gain passage into heaven!pis3rch

[QUOTE="pis3rch"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]I personally believe that Horus, who was born from divine conception (on December 25th nonetheless), died for my salvation upon that tree in Egypt 4500 years ago (though it seemed like only yesterday). Accpting Horus as your savior is the only way to gain passage into heaven!xaos

Very easily. I never accepted that there would ever be an afterlife and quite frankly I don't believe it is in human nature to believe in an afterlife. At the core we're animals and we're fighting for the survival of now, not preparing for acceptance into an afterlife. There's literally nothing to "cope" with because it's never been an issue for me.

By living life instead of worrying about death? :|spazzx625

[QUOTE="darkhadou"][QUOTE="muthsera666"] There are also four different versions of what was witnessed upon visiting the tomb of Jesus. Only in one of the books on Jesus execution/resurrection was it stated that a spear punctured his side. If the Bible has contradictions involving its own savior, I can't see how the rest of it can be taken so concretely.muthsera666

The four gospels were written over a period of decades with the last being written 90 years after Christ's death... The four do contradict one another. Matthew states one man outside the tomb. Mark states two men outside the tomb. Luke states one angel outside the tomb. John states two angels outside the tomb. If a Roman soldier stabbed Christ in the side, why does only one book state this? If Christ walked with his followers after his death, why does only one book state this.

These are what you call contradictions. And if there are flaws in the very fabric of the construction around the Messiah, is it any wonder why the rest of the Bible is seen in such a dubious light? Not to mention contradicting Creation stories.

A contradiction exists only when there are no rational explanations. Differences in the Gospel accounts are not contradictions; they are different accounts with differing amounts of detail.

Here's an example. Let's assume a man takes his wife, their two sons, and two of their sons' friends to a baseball game on Saturday.

The dad, taking to his friends at work says, "I had a great time at the ball game with my wife."

One son says to another friend at school, "My friend and I had a great time Saturday."

The other son tells a friend, "I enjoyed being at the ball game with my mom and dad this weekend."

The wife tells her friend, "I enjoyed Saturday since we went out and I didn't have to cook dinner."

Are their accounts contradictions or differing accounts of the same event?

[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]they say ignorance is bliss :Pmuthsera666

Do you mean like the faith in scientific naturalism that nothing created everything at the big bang or the faith that life self-created itself from non-living chemicals and that therefore God is unnecessary? :shock:

According to Scripture, it is the object of ones' faith, faith in Jesus Christ, that brings salvation.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life: and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Here's a little humor.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]If your a religious man and believe God created a heaven and earth, Then I bet he made heaven so amazing, that it would be beyond our comprehension. If you beleive in an afterlife like what we have now, then I can see where you're coming from.

racer8dan

Sorry but Scripture does not teach that God "is going to solve all of our problems in this world." God is not a "swat team", ready to rush in and solve and fix all of humanity's problems that we bring on through our disobedience to His Word. God is most concerned about eternal things. We think in temporal terms. Our existence in this world is but a wisp of smoke compared to eternity.

Serving God in Christ and living in obedience to His Word is a joyful lfe with assurance of eternal salvation that also will help one to avoid many errors in this world.

blackregiment

Well religious people certainly fooled me with the amount they apparently pray for assistance.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Sorry but Scripture does not teach that God "is going to solve all of our problems in this world." God is not a "swat team", ready to rush in and solve and fix all of humanity's problems that we bring on through our disobedience to His Word. God is most concerned about eternal things. We think in temporal terms. Our existence in this world is but a wisp of smoke compared to eternity.

Serving God in Christ and living in obedience to His Word is a joyful lfe with assurance of eternal salvation that also will help one to avoid many errors in this world.

ADF_Game

Well religious people certainly fooled me with the amount they apparently pray for assistance.

We pray for God's will to be done, not our will to be done. If our requests are in accordance with the will of God, then He will be faithful in answering our prayers according to His, not our will.

I fear the extreme stress from life more than a state of nothingness when I drop dead.

We pray for God's will to be done, not our will to be done. If our requests are in accordance with the will of God, then He will be faithful in answering our prayers according to His, not our will.

blackregiment

The same way I cope with the fact that I didn't exist before I was born.ProudLarry

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

We pray for God's will to be done, not our will to be done. If our requests are in accordance with the will of God, then He will be faithful in answering our prayers according to His, not our will.

ADF_Game

Atheism doesn't require an afterlife to not exist.

Prayer is much more that a "wish list" or "things to do list" for God. Prayer is worship, fellowship with Him, and growth in our relationship with Him.

blackregiment

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"]Atheist are naturally optimistic about life. =p It'd be more interesting to hear the perspective of Christians that know they're on the trip to Hell.blackregiment

Here's an interesting study that was done comparing the happiness and optimism of people of faith vs secular people.

"How do religious Americans compare to the secular when it comes to happiness? In 2004, the General Social Survey asked a sample of Americans, "Would you say that you are very happy, pretty happy, or not too happy?" Religious people were more than twice as likely as the secular to say they were "very happy" (43% to 21%). Meanwhile, secular people were nearly three times as likely as the religious to say they were not too happy (21% to 8%). In the same survey, religious people were more than a third more likely than the secular to say they were optimistic about the future (34% to 24%)."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010672http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010672

And here is some additional information.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=435412&page=1

and another...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19551125&id=Jj4eAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CL8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=3355,6272213

and another...

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/301/are-we-happy-yet

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="ProjectTrinity"]Atheist are naturally optimistic about life. =p It'd be more interesting to hear the perspective of Christians that know they're on the trip to Hell.darkhadou

Here's an interesting study that was done comparing the happiness and optimism of people of faith vs secular people.

"How do religious Americans compare to the secular when it comes to happiness? In 2004, the General Social Survey asked a sample of Americans, "Would you say that you are very happy, pretty happy, or not too happy?" Religious people were more than twice as likely as the secular to say they were "very happy" (43% to 21%). Meanwhile, secular people were nearly three times as likely as the religious to say they were not too happy (21% to 8%). In the same survey, religious people were more than a third more likely than the secular to say they were optimistic about the future (34% to 24%)."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010672http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010672

And here is some additional information.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=435412&page=1

and another...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19551125&id=Jj4eAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CL8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=3355,6272213

and another...

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/301/are-we-happy-yet

You too! I have enjoyed reading your posts.

[QUOTE="darkhadou"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Here's an interesting study that was done comparing the happiness and optimism of people of faith vs secular people.

"How do religious Americans compare to the secular when it comes to happiness? In 2004, the General Social Survey asked a sample of Americans, "Would you say that you are very happy, pretty happy, or not too happy?" Religious people were more than twice as likely as the secular to say they were "very happy" (43% to 21%). Meanwhile, secular people were nearly three times as likely as the religious to say they were not too happy (21% to 8%). In the same survey, religious people were more than a third more likely than the secular to say they were optimistic about the future (34% to 24%)."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010672http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010672

And here is some additional information.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=435412&page=1

and another...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19551125&id=Jj4eAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CL8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=3355,6272213

and another...

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/301/are-we-happy-yet

You too! I have enjoyed reading your posts.

Who says atheists believe in nothingness? Buddhists are atheists and they believe in reincarnation and ultimate bliss (which isn't nothingness). I love how this thread has ballooned to its size despite the generalization made by the TC.

I am a non-religious non-theist, and I have no problems accepting my demise and possibly nothingness after death. I don't cling to my existence and wish for eternity; which I see as a curse.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="darkhadou"] God bless you my friend!darkhadou

You too! I have enjoyed reading your posts.

Just apply. go to the link in my Sig. for he BBU and the CWU and appply and I will approve it. Ot if you prefer, I can send you an invite from both unions. God bless

The same way I cope with the fact that I didn't exist before I was born.

ProudLarry

[QUOTE="muthsera666"]

[QUOTE="darkhadou"] The four gospels were written by four different individuals, who gave a testimony accoring to what they witnessed. For example, at the Tea party rallies, people have a different say of what really occurs, but it doesn't mean that everything that is said by the different individuals didn't happen. Catch my drift? The four gospels don't contradict each other. Matter of fact, the mere fact that different individuals could write their account at different decades, and have a similar testimony more than validates it.blackregiment

The four gospels were written over a period of decades with the last being written 90 years after Christ's death... The four do contradict one another. Matthew states one man outside the tomb. Mark states two men outside the tomb. Luke states one angel outside the tomb. John states two angels outside the tomb. If a Roman soldier stabbed Christ in the side, why does only one book state this? If Christ walked with his followers after his death, why does only one book state this.

These are what you call contradictions. And if there are flaws in the very fabric of the construction around the Messiah, is it any wonder why the rest of the Bible is seen in such a dubious light? Not to mention contradicting Creation stories.

A contradiction exists only when there are no rational explanations. Differences in the Gospel accounts are not contradictions; they are different accounts with differing amounts of detail.

Here's an example. Let's assume a man takes his wife, their two sons, and two of their sons' friends to a baseball game on Saturday.

The dad, taking to his friends at work says, "I had a great time at the ball game with my wife."

One son says to another friend at school, "My friend and I had a great time Saturday."

The other son tells a friend, "I enjoyed being at the ball game with my mom and dad this weekend."

The wife tells her friend, "I enjoyed Saturday since we went out and I didn't have to cook dinner."

Are their accounts contradictions or differing accounts of the same event?

I don't even have to reply him after this. Well said brother!!! Oh my!!! What he fails to realize is the point of their accounts! That Christ is risen!!!! Period! He came to die for our salvation, and the work was 'finished' God bless you brother!

The same way I cope with the fact that I didn't exist before I was born.

ProudLarry

^^^

How do I join your union?darkhadou

I sent you an invite to both unions.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]They dont. Makes me glad I am not an atheist.Vandalvideo

I think fearing death will make you appraicate life more

Who says atheists believe in nothingness? Buddhists are atheists and they believe in reincarnation and ultimate bliss (which isn't nothingness). I love how this thread has ballooned to its size despite the generalization made by the TC.

I am a non-religious non-theist, and I have no problems accepting my demise and possibly nothingness after death. I don't cling to my existence and wish for eternity; which I see as a curse.

foxhound_fox

Furthermore when was Athiesm about believing in anything? The point being is we don't know what happens at death, even if you don't believe in god.. Suggesting that nothing happens and you cease to exist, is as much of stretch in claiming that there is a afterlife.

You know what is funny? A lot of you that doubt God have clearly not tried to read the bible in it's enitrety. We truly haven't changed as a people! From the dawn of time people have doubted God, even when He walked in our midst! Science? Science tries to explain the little details the the Almighty God took into account upon creating the universe. Like He said so well, "Before you were in your mothers' womb, I knew you!" He knows every detail of your life guys! How I wish you could invest some of your time into fellowship with our God! There's is life after death! The bible speaks of so many things and events that occured centuries after they were prophesied!!! Listen to the Word of God! "The fool says in his heart, "there is no God!"" Pretty big statement, also when the word fool was used to describe somebody who is insane!?!?! Guys, God wants you to know Him! We are all saved through Jesus Christ. Learn about Him! Accept Him today!!!darkhadou