How do you feel about spousal rape as a legal issue?

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]If someone is forced into unwanted sex, it is always rape and it should be a legal matter. It's disgusting to even see you think otherwise. hartsickdiscipl

Me and the 27 other people who voted "No." :P

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Lilyanne46"]

What's the point then? Your point is across. You keep telling us "rape goes out the window in marriage". I simply disagree, and you don't seem to look through another perspective. It's a little close-minded if you ask me, assuming that marital rape does not exist because of your own belief. Not everyone believes the Bible, and you keep referring back to it like everyone should...

Lilyanne46

Not looking at it through another perspective? I've complimented posters (yourself included) on the delivery of your arguments, and acknowledged how they could be seen as valid points. I've spent quite alot of time looking at it through other perspectives. :? That doesn't mean that I'm going to change MY mind, and stop using the Bible as a guide and source to back my opinions. If you don't think the book has much value, just state that and be done with it. Don't tell me that I shouldn't refer to it. I'd much rather refer to what I feel is the word of God recorded by men, than to judge things by some twisted contemporary standards. Twisted, IMO.. of course.

I didn't say you had to change your mind, or stop using it as a reference. :P I just think you're trying to make other people think that the Bible is what they should follow. I might be taking this too seriously. As a young girl, I find this topic confusing as to why you would think marital rape does not exist or is okay to force your spouse. I take this very seriously. It's like being struck by lightning or something. It sort of hurts you think this way. Maybe I'm still not reading correctly. :?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Lilyanne46"]

What's the point then? Your point is across. You keep telling us "rape goes out the window in marriage". I simply disagree, and you don't seem to look through another perspective. It's a little close-minded if you ask me, assuming that marital rape does not exist because of your own belief. Not everyone believes the Bible, and you keep referring back to it like everyone should...

Lilyanne46

Not looking at it through another perspective? I've complimented posters (yourself included) on the delivery of your arguments, and acknowledged how they could be seen as valid points. I've spent quite alot of time looking at it through other perspectives. :? That doesn't mean that I'm going to change MY mind, and stop using the Bible as a guide and source to back my opinions. If you don't think the book has much value, just state that and be done with it. Don't tell me that I shouldn't refer to it. I'd much rather refer to what I feel is the word of God recorded by men, than to judge things by some twisted contemporary standards. Twisted, IMO.. of course.

I didn't say you had to change your mind, or stop using it as a reference. :P I just think you're trying to make other people think that the Bible is what they should follow. I might be taking this too seriously. As a young girl, I find this topic confusing as to why you would think marital rape does not exist or is okay to force your spouse. I take this very seriously. It's like being struck by lightning or something. It sort of hurts you think this way. Maybe I'm still not reading correctly. :?

It's a very difficult subject to discuss, no doubt. It's much more complicated than most people are willing to accept.

However.. I have to ask-- Why is that dozens of people can come into this thread and call me sick, twisted, scary, etc.. because they subscribe so much to contemporary law and social standards, and I can't say the same thing based on standards that were written long before? Just because something is newer, or serves more people's personal interests better, doesn't make it better, IMO. I'm worried about what a higher power wants, and how his laws are written.. not some other person's ideas of how I should act.

Of course there are many users here who don't put any stock in the Bible at all. If that's the case, they really don't need to be discussing this issue with me at all.. other than voting and voicing their disapproval of my view. Then it should be done. But they just can't let it go. They have to try to belittle my view, and my belief in the Bible. It's really disturbing, and shows a real lack of respect IMO.

Judaism then? I don't believe they follow that idea as far as I know. Customs back then were very different....LJS9502_basic

It's still essential to note that these laws are commands by THE biblical God. If these laws have changed, this God is the only one who can make revisions. I, of course, see it as not authentically divine and written by primative men, hence such idiocy is present in the bible. Furthermore, Jesus never renounces the old testament in the new testament, in fact, he is quoted as saying just the opposite.

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." - Luke 16:17

Customs differed, but God did not write these laws. Otherwise he might have said a few things along the lines slavery being bad, or child molestation. Instead of these laws entrenched in completely backwards and ancient thinking. God would, presumably, be wiser than to command rapists to marry their victims. But hey, that's just my two cents.

It's a very difficult subject to discuss, no doubt. It's much more complicated than most people are willing to accept.

hartsickdiscipl

It's not, it's really not. I thought I made myself clear but I guess not.

[QUOTE="Lilyanne46"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Not looking at it through another perspective? I've complimented posters (yourself included) on the delivery of your arguments, and acknowledged how they could be seen as valid points. I've spent quite alot of time looking at it through other perspectives. :? That doesn't mean that I'm going to change MY mind, and stop using the Bible as a guide and source to back my opinions. If you don't think the book has much value, just state that and be done with it. Don't tell me that I shouldn't refer to it. I'd much rather refer to what I feel is the word of God recorded by men, than to judge things by some twisted contemporary standards. Twisted, IMO.. of course.

hartsickdiscipl

I didn't say you had to change your mind, or stop using it as a reference. :P I just think you're trying to make other people think that the Bible is what they should follow. I might be taking this too seriously. As a young girl, I find this topic confusing as to why you would think marital rape does not exist or is okay to force your spouse. I take this very seriously. It's like being struck by lightning or something. It sort of hurts you think this way. Maybe I'm still not reading correctly. :?

It's a very difficult subject to discuss, no doubt. It's much more complicated than most people are willing to accept.

However.. I have to ask-- Why is that dozens of people can come into this thread and call me sick, twisted, scary, etc.. because they subscribe so much to contemporary law and social standards, and I can't say the same thing based on standards that were written long before? Just because something is newer, or serves more people's personal interests better, doesn't make it better, IMO. I'm worried about what a higher power wants, and how his laws are written.. not some other person's ideas of how I should act.

Of course there are many users here who don't put any stock in the Bible at all. If that's the case, they really don't need to be discussing this issue with me at all.. other than voting and voicing their disapproval of my view. Then it should be done. But they just can't let it go. They have to try to belittle my view, and my belief in the Bible. It's really disturbing, and shows a real lack of respect IMO.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Lilyanne46"]

I didn't say you had to change your mind, or stop using it as a reference. :P I just think you're trying to make other people think that the Bible is what they should follow. I might be taking this too seriously. As a young girl, I find this topic confusing as to why you would think marital rape does not exist or is okay to force your spouse. I take this very seriously. It's like being struck by lightning or something. It sort of hurts you think this way. Maybe I'm still not reading correctly. :?

godwhydoibother

It's a very difficult subject to discuss, no doubt. It's much more complicated than most people are willing to accept.

However.. I have to ask-- Why is that dozens of people can come into this thread and call me sick, twisted, scary, etc.. because they subscribe so much to contemporary law and social standards, and I can't say the same thing based on standards that were written long before? Just because something is newer, or serves more people's personal interests better, doesn't make it better, IMO. I'm worried about what a higher power wants, and how his laws are written.. not some other person's ideas of how I should act.

Of course there are many users here who don't put any stock in the Bible at all. If that's the case, they really don't need to be discussing this issue with me at all.. other than voting and voicing their disapproval of my view. Then it should be done. But they just can't let it go. They have to try to belittle my view, and my belief in the Bible. It's really disturbing, and shows a real lack of respect IMO.

I'm going to ignore the childish tone of your post, complete with disguised profanity. Looks like at least 17% of the people voting here have no moral compass then, huh?

TC, I recall you saying that marital rape is a sign that the sexual relations in the marriage have to be sorted out. This is too idealistic, because even adults can act like children. In other words, not everyone can solve marital issues easily. To say that marital rape is something that can be easily solved is silly. A husband who constantly and mercilessly rapes his wife is not in the best mindset. Rape is a crime commited usually for a sense of power over another and humiliation and degradation of the victim. Therefore, we can safely conclude that such a husband would have a twisted, abusive, and controlling mindset that is certainly under the category of marital discord. In order to reduce as much suffering as possible, the laws of rape must be extended to cases in marriage. This can only mean good for society.

Sometimes rape is done due to raging sexual desire. I'm pretty sure a husband's tearing his wife's clothes off and raping her for God knows how long constitutes as marital abuse. Rape is excruciatingly painful, after all. And since you are clearly against marital abuse, it logically follows that marital rape is also considered abuse. But of course, like I said, marital rape is rape.

You also said something about sexual satisfaction in marriage. Well, for the sake of simplicity, let's consider sex to be the primary reason for marriage. If marriage was a ticket to rape for sick bastards, then how much different is it from, say, those rapists raping women outside of marriage? In fact, if this was the case, women would be in great danger, since marital rape would be practically legal.

ghoklebutter

And now I'm on this account. You're saying this involves fellow Christians when it comes to this topic you're trying to discuss, and even so, I'm about to upright call you sick, like the rest of them. Social standards you say? This isn't a fad mah' friend. Even from a Christian standpoint, what you're heavily suggesting is encouraging violence because it's supposed to come with the territory. Where's your Bible verse for that?Symphonycometh

You're implying that I support people forcing sex on their spouse in marriage, if I'm correct. By reading the whole thread, you should realize that I don't. Quite the opposite. I'm simply saying that there should be no legal, technical use for the term "rape" within marriage. That's all.

[QUOTE="godwhydoibother"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

It's a very difficult subject to discuss, no doubt. It's much more complicated than most people are willing to accept.

However.. I have to ask-- Why is that dozens of people can come into this thread and call me sick, twisted, scary, etc.. because they subscribe so much to contemporary law and social standards, and I can't say the same thing based on standards that were written long before? Just because something is newer, or serves more people's personal interests better, doesn't make it better, IMO. I'm worried about what a higher power wants, and how his laws are written.. not some other person's ideas of how I should act.

Of course there are many users here who don't put any stock in the Bible at all. If that's the case, they really don't need to be discussing this issue with me at all.. other than voting and voicing their disapproval of my view. Then it should be done. But they just can't let it go. They have to try to belittle my view, and my belief in the Bible. It's really disturbing, and shows a real lack of respect IMO.

hartsickdiscipl

I'm going to ignore the childish tone of your post, complete with disguised profanity. Looks like at least 17% of the people voting here have no moral compass then, huh?

I'm simply saying that there should be no legal, technical use for the term "rape" within marriage. That's all.hartsickdiscipl

You're implying that I support people forcing sex on their spouse in marriage, if I'm correct. By reading the whole thread, you should realize that I don't. Quite the opposite. I'm simply saying that there should be no legal, technical use for the term "rape" within marriage. That's all.

hartsickdiscipl

So you're arguing over a technicality, even though your definition of both marriage and rape are wrong?

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]And now I'm on this account. You're saying this involves fellow Christians when it comes to this topic you're trying to discuss, and even so, I'm about to upright call you sick, like the rest of them. Social standards you say? This isn't a fad mah' friend. Even from a Christian standpoint, what you're heavily suggesting is encouraging violence because it's supposed to come with the territory. Where's your Bible verse for that?hartsickdiscipl

You're implying that I support people forcing sex on their spouse in marriage, if I'm correct. By reading the whole thread, you should realize that I don't. Quite the opposite. I'm simply saying that there should be no legal, technical use for the term "rape" within marriage. That's all.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

TC, I recall you saying that marital rape is a sign that the sexual relations in the marriage have to be sorted out. This is too idealistic, because even adults can act like children. In other words, not everyone can solve marital issues easily. To say that marital rape is something that can be easily solved is silly. A husband who constantly and mercilessly rapes his wife is not in the best mindset. Rape is a crime commited usually for a sense of power over another and humiliation and degradation of the victim. Therefore, we can safely conclude that such a husband would have a twisted, abusive, and controlling mindset that is certainly under the category of marital discord. In order to reduce as much suffering as possible, the laws of rape must be extended to cases in marriage. This can only mean good for society.

Sometimes rape is done due to raging sexual desire. I'm pretty sure a husband's tearing his wife's clothes off and raping her for God knows how long constitutes as marital abuse. Rape is excruciatingly painful, after all. And since you are clearly against marital abuse, it logically follows that marital rape is also considered abuse. But of course, like I said, marital rape is rape.

You also said something about sexual satisfaction in marriage. Well, for the sake of simplicity, let's consider sex to be the primary reason for marriage. If marriage was a ticket to rape for sick bastards, then how much different is it from, say, those rapists raping women outside of marriage? In fact, if this was the case, women would be in great danger, since marital rape would be practically legal.

ghoklebutter

I think your post assumes too much.. too many factors. I, for one, don't agree with any type of law that tries to judge people's "mindset." Actions are actions. Since your arguments seem to assume so much about human nature, think about this- How often do you really think husbands (or wives) would actually "rape" their spouses if they knew the law wouldn't charge them with that crime? If the law could still charge them with aggravated assault and battery if there were outward signs of physical abuse, but not of rape? You think people would go crazy and start raping their spouse? I don't think so. And if you do think so, what does that say for people's right to create their own laws, if they are such out of control animals? My proposed law is one that would stress the marital obligation to render sex to your spouse (based on the Bible), but wouldn't condone violent rape.

My grounds are that I feel the only place that law should have in interfering in married people's sex lives are if they commit adultery. Then they should be punished because they committed one of the worst acts of disloyalty and perversion.

I'm simply saying that there should be no legal, technical use for the term "rape" within marriage. That's all.hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"]And now I'm on this account. You're saying this involves fellow Christians when it comes to this topic you're trying to discuss, and even so, I'm about to upright call you sick, like the rest of them. Social standards you say? This isn't a fad mah' friend. Even from a Christian standpoint, what you're heavily suggesting is encouraging violence because it's supposed to come with the territory. Where's your Bible verse for that?Symphonycometh

You're implying that I support people forcing sex on their spouse in marriage, if I'm correct. By reading the whole thread, you should realize that I don't. Quite the opposite. I'm simply saying that there should be no legal, technical use for the term "rape" within marriage. That's all.

I also never said that there is a Bible verse that in any way addresses "spousal rape." When that is absent, and all I have to go off of is a scripture that makes it clear that sex is part of what's owed in marriage.. I tend to put that first, yeah. Even above my personal feelings. If all people who got married went into the marriage with this expectation, there wouldn't be as many problems of this sort, IMO.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"] I'm simply saying that there should be no legal, technical use for the term "rape" within marriage. That's all.xaos

Holy marriage does. Your definition of marriage is wrong. Apparently, you can't rape your wife, you can do whatever you want with her to satisfy your sexual desires. You gotta listen to God's laws.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

TC, I recall you saying that marital rape is a sign that the sexual relations in the marriage have to be sorted out. This is too idealistic, because even adults can act like children. In other words, not everyone can solve marital issues easily. To say that marital rape is something that can be easily solved is silly. A husband who constantly and mercilessly rapes his wife is not in the best mindset. Rape is a crime commited usually for a sense of power over another and humiliation and degradation of the victim. Therefore, we can safely conclude that such a husband would have a twisted, abusive, and controlling mindset that is certainly under the category of marital discord. In order to reduce as much suffering as possible, the laws of rape must be extended to cases in marriage. This can only mean good for society.

Sometimes rape is done due to raging sexual desire. I'm pretty sure a husband's tearing his wife's clothes off and raping her for God knows how long constitutes as marital abuse. Rape is excruciatingly painful, after all. And since you are clearly against marital abuse, it logically follows that marital rape is also considered abuse. But of course, like I said, marital rape is rape.

You also said something about sexual satisfaction in marriage. Well, for the sake of simplicity, let's consider sex to be the primary reason for marriage. If marriage was a ticket to rape for sick bastards, then how much different is it from, say, those rapists raping women outside of marriage? In fact, if this was the case, women would be in great danger, since marital rape would be practically legal.

hartsickdiscipl

Then they should be punished because they committed one of the worst acts of disloyalty and perversion.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"] I'm simply saying that there should be no legal, technical use for the term "rape" within marriage. That's all.xaos

I was waiting for you to arrive, Xaos. Welcome! Although I seriously doubt that we'll find much common ground on this issue. Only 17% of voters agree with me, so I expect no different.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"] I'm simply saying that there should be no legal, technical use for the term "rape" within marriage. That's all.bloodling

Holy marriage does. Your definition of marriage is wrong. Apparently, you can't rape your wife, you can do whatever you want with her to satisfy your sexual desires. You gotta listen to God's laws.

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

You're implying that I support people forcing sex on their spouse in marriage, if I'm correct. By reading the whole thread, you should realize that I don't. Quite the opposite. I'm simply saying that there should be no legal, technical use for the term "rape" within marriage. That's all.

hartsickdiscipl

I also never said that there is a Bible verse that in any way addresses "spousal rape." When that is absent, and all I have to go off of is a scripture that makes it clear that sex is part of what's owed in marriage.. I tend to put that first, yeah. Even above my personal feelings. If all people who got married went into the marriage with this expectation, there wouldn't be as many problems of this sort, IMO.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] In light of this, hartsickdiscpl, how can you find your position justifiable?Symphonycometh

Then they should be punished because they committed one of the worst acts of disloyalty and perversion.

It all depends on how you define perversion. Where you think the root of each type of perversion is. If someone is really just trying to get the sex that they are owed (by biblical standards), I don't see how that can be viewed the same as a rape involving unmarried people.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"] 19 pages of your posting. I'll just say I stand corrected on that front. As for the technical term "rape"; last I checked, the term rape doesn't stop at marriage. If you can find the Bible verse, the definition, the urban definition, the Encyclopedia Dramatica definition of rape that includes your definition "there should be no legal, technical use for the term "rape" within marriage", then shoot and we'll go from there. Until then, I think it's safe to say you and God need a little talk.Symphonycometh

I also never said that there is a Bible verse that in any way addresses "spousal rape." When that is absent, and all I have to go off of is a scripture that makes it clear that sex is part of what's owed in marriage.. I tend to put that first, yeah. Even above my personal feelings. If all people who got married went into the marriage with this expectation, there wouldn't be as many problems of this sort, IMO.

I don't follow. What do you mean by "soul" in this context?

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Then they should be punished because they committed one of the worst acts of disloyalty and perversion.

hartsickdiscipl

It all depends on how you define perversion. Where you think the root of each type of perversion is. If someone is really just trying to get the sex that they are owed (by biblical standards), I don't see how that can be viewed the same as a rape involving unmarried people.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Symphonycometh"] ...Someone, pass me a motivational poster!godwhydoibother

It all depends on how you define perversion. Where you think the root of each type of perversion is. If someone is really just trying to get the sex that they are owed (by biblical standards), I don't see how that can be viewed the same as a rape involving unmarried people.

You've yet to substantiate that they're wrong. I've shown that the Bible does state that sex is due to your spouse, and it doesn't say anything about how to extract that due, should it become necessary to do so.

[QUOTE="godwhydoibother"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

It all depends on how you define perversion. Where you think the root of each type of perversion is. If someone is really just trying to get the sex that they are owed (by biblical standards), I don't see how that can be viewed the same as a rape involving unmarried people.

hartsickdiscipl

You've yet to substantiate that they're wrong. I've shown that the Bible does state that sex is due to your spouse, and it doesn't say anything about how to extract that due, should it become necessary to do so.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"] I'm simply saying that there should be no legal, technical use for the term "rape" within marriage. That's all.hartsickdiscipl

I was waiting for you to arrive, Xaos. Welcome! Although I seriously doubt that we'll find much common ground on this issue. Only 17% of voters agree with me, so I expect no different.

this thread is disgusting. So 75% of people nowdays believe that a woman taking clear advantage of a man is fine? What beta phaggots, you guys are the reason the US sucks now. MultiplehandsMa

Rape is rape no matter if you are married or not and anyone who disagrees disgusts me. *bows, leaves threadtestfactor888

[QUOTE="godwhydoibother"][QUOTE="MultiplehandsMa"]this thread is disgusting. So 75% of people nowdays believe that a woman taking clear advantage of a man is fine? What beta phaggots, you guys are the reason the US sucks now. MultiplehandsMa

[QUOTE="godwhydoibother"][QUOTE="MultiplehandsMa"]this thread is disgusting. So 75% of people nowdays believe that a woman taking clear advantage of a man is fine? What beta phaggots, you guys are the reason the US sucks now. MultiplehandsMa

Well, perhaps you will be enlightened by reading this thread. I'm not even going to bother repeating myself at this point.

[QUOTE="godwhydoibother"][QUOTE="MultiplehandsMa"]this thread is disgusting. So 75% of people nowdays believe that a woman taking clear advantage of a man is fine? What beta phaggots, you guys are the reason the US sucks now. MultiplehandsMa

I think your post assumes too much.. too many factors. I, for one, don't agree with any type of law that tries to judge people's "mindset." Actions are actions. Since your arguments seem to assume so much about human nature, think about this- How often do you really think husbands (or wives) would actually "rape" their spouses if they knew the law wouldn't charge them with that crime? If the law could still charge them with aggravated assault and battery if there were outward signs of physical abuse, but not of rape? You think people would go crazy and start raping their spouse? I don't think so. And if you do think so, what does that say for people's right to create their own laws, if they are such out of control animals? My proposed law is one that would stress the marital obligation to render sex to your spouse (based on the Bible), but wouldn't condone violent rape.

My grounds are that I feel the only place that law should have in interfering in married people's sex lives are if they commit adultery. Then they should be punished because they committed one of the worst acts of disloyalty and perversion.

hartsickdiscipl

Rape is an act of violence usually done for a sense of power over another and the victim's pain, humiliation and degradation. Having said that, I think it's clear that the effects of rape are bothphysiological and psychological. That clearly falls in the category of marital abuse. Therefore, if you're against marital abuse, you must be against marital rape. Otherwise that is a double standard.

I do agree with you on one thing, however: no one in the marriage should deprive each other of sex. However, that doesn't justify rape when the husband isn't getting any. Think about it this way: assuming you are a sane person, if I stole your box of ice cream, naturally you would plead for me to give it back. You wouldn't beat me up and take it away by force. Same logic applies here.

And rape has far more detrimental effects compared to those of adultery.

******************** pathetic.MultiplehandsMa

Look guys, that guy is smart, we are *******. His arguments are swear words!

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

TC, I recall you saying that marital rape is a sign that the sexual relations in the marriage have to be sorted out. This is too idealistic, because even adults can act like children. In other words, not everyone can solve marital issues easily. To say that marital rape is something that can be easily solved is silly. A husband who constantly and mercilessly rapes his wife is not in the best mindset. Rape is a crime commited usually for a sense of power over another and humiliation and degradation of the victim. Therefore, we can safely conclude that such a husband would have a twisted, abusive, and controlling mindset that is certainly under the category of marital discord. In order to reduce as much suffering as possible, the laws of rape must be extended to cases in marriage. This can only mean good for society.

Sometimes rape is done due to raging sexual desire. I'm pretty sure a husband's tearing his wife's clothes off and raping her for God knows how long constitutes as marital abuse. Rape is excruciatingly painful, after all. And since you are clearly against marital abuse, it logically follows that marital rape is also considered abuse. But of course, like I said, marital rape is rape.

You also said something about sexual satisfaction in marriage. Well, for the sake of simplicity, let's consider sex to be the primary reason for marriage. If marriage was a ticket to rape for sick bastards, then how much different is it from, say, those rapists raping women outside of marriage? In fact, if this was the case, women would be in great danger, since marital rape would be practically legal.

hartsickdiscipl

I think your post assumes too much.. too many factors. I, for one, don't agree with any type of law that tries to judge people's "mindset." Actions are actions. Since your arguments seem to assume so much about human nature, think about this- How often do you really think husbands (or wives) would actually "rape" their spouses if they knew the law wouldn't charge them with that crime? If the law could still charge them with aggravated assault and battery if there were outward signs of physical abuse, but not of rape? You think people would go crazy and start raping their spouse? I don't think so. And if you do think so, what does that say for people's right to create their own laws, if they are such out of control animals? My proposed law is one that would stress the marital obligation to render sex to your spouse (based on the Bible), but wouldn't condone violent rape.

My grounds are that I feel the only place that law should have in interfering in married people's sex lives are if they commit adultery. Then they should be punished because they committed one of the worst acts of disloyalty and perversion.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="MultiplehandsMa"] I am no troll, if you are 'getting raped in marriage" than you aren't actually being raped, the woman is just trying to get money out of the man. If you get married, you are absolutely 100% for sure supposed to have sex, if not then you shouldn't be married. You idiots thinks I'm trolling? I'm showing the truth. remember when this **** didn't happen, back 40 years ago? Toughen up, jesus society is terrible nowadays.xaos

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*looks at profile*

*slowly puts away pitchfork*

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="MultiplehandsMa"] I am no troll, if you are 'getting raped in marriage" than you aren't actually being raped, the woman is just trying to get money out of the man. If you get married, you are absolutely 100% for sure supposed to have sex, if not then you shouldn't be married. You idiots thinks I'm trolling? I'm showing the truth. remember when this **** didn't happen, back 40 years ago? Toughen up, jesus society is terrible nowadays.MultiplehandsMa

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] In light of this, hartsickdiscpl, how can you find your position justifiable?Teenaged

I think your post assumes too much.. too many factors. I, for one, don't agree with any type of law that tries to judge people's "mindset." Actions are actions. Since your arguments seem to assume so much about human nature, think about this- How often do you really think husbands (or wives) would actually "rape" their spouses if they knew the law wouldn't charge them with that crime? If the law could still charge them with aggravated assault and battery if there were outward signs of physical abuse, but not of rape? You think people would go crazy and start raping their spouse? I don't think so. And if you do think so, what does that say for people's right to create their own laws, if they are such out of control animals? My proposed law is one that would stress the marital obligation to render sex to your spouse (based on the Bible), but wouldn't condone violent rape.

My grounds are that I feel the only place that law should have in interfering in married people's sex lives are if they commit adultery. Then they should be punished because they committed one of the worst acts of disloyalty and perversion.

Once again.. just because that's how things are done in today's society (and throughout most of history), doesn't mean that it's right. In my eyes, it's not right at all.

When people post things like this, it keeps proving that most of those opposed to this can't see things clearly from multiple perspectives. It's like you're all locked into this mindset of what society has put out there for us. I can't comprehend that.