How much blame does Obama deserve for the oil spill?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="LastCaveMan"]

Not big government? so YOU paying for the mess someone else has created, is not big government?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LastCaveMan"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Because this isn't big Government. This is fixing a disaster that happened effecting American people.Chutebox

Not big government? so YOU paying for the mess someone else has created, is not big government?

the bill won't cover half the cost for the government's time, resources taken up by this spill, the money will not go back to the tax payer. and BP will probably appeal with all it's lawyers to lower the bill as much as they can

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="LastCaveMan"]

Not big government? so YOU paying for the mess someone else has created, is not big government?

LastCaveMan

the bill won't cover half the cost for the government's time, resources taken up by this spill, the money will not go back to the tax payer. and BP will probably appeal with all it's lawyers to lower the bill as much as they can

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Because this isn't big Government. This is fixing a disaster that happened effecting American people.moose_knuckler

What does that have to do with anything? How are values or ideals being affected back in the mid 90's about a plan of how gov't can subdue major oil spills from happening?

maybe you should reword the question. for the actual oil spill obama should get no blame

[QUOTE="LastCaveMan"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] I think their engineers pretty much knew nothing was going to solve this (beyond a second well)rawsavon

yeah and Obama knows theirs nothing he can do, but people still expect him to for the cameras anyway - it works the same way.

they said it wouldn't be a tight seal anyway, but it doesn't look as though it's worked at all

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="LastCaveMan"]

yeah and Obama knows theirs nothing he can do, but people still expect him to for the cameras anyway - it works the same way.

LastCaveMan

they said it wouldn't be a tight seal anyway, but it doesn't look as though it's worked at all

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"] And to that other guy. Time doesn't affect values and ideals.Osaka-06

What does that have to do with anything? How are values or ideals being affected back in the mid 90's about a plan of how gov't can subdue major oil spills from happening?

maybe you should reword the question. for the actual oil spill obama should get no blame

adamlynch

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]

What does that have to do with anything? How are values or ideals being affected back in the mid 90's about a plan of how gov't can subdue major oil spills from happening?

Chutebox

yes but you can't pick and chose when government, should and shouldn't get involved. Just because something does or does not suit you, doesn't mean that is the case for everyone else.... it's all subjective

And to that other guy. Time doesn't affect values and ideals.Osaka-06

What does that have to do with anything? How are values or ideals being affected back in the mid 90's about a plan of how gov't can subdue major oil spills from happening?

If any, a very small portion in not seeing the oil rig met safey standards, but honestly he doesn't deserve any blame.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"] What?... Government "plans" equals government resources being spent on prevention etc. Which in the end gives the government more authority in that particular field. It doesn't matter how old the plan is or if it even exists or not. The right wingers still appeal to government action and government authority.LastCaveMan

yes but you can't pick and chose when government, should and shouldn't get involved. Just because something does or does not suit you, doesn't mean that is the case for everyone else.... it's all subjective

If any, a very small portion in not seeing the oil rig met safey standards, but honestly he doesn't deserve any blame.

Grodus5

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]

What does that have to do with anything? How are values or ideals being affected back in the mid 90's about a plan of how gov't can subdue major oil spills from happening?

Chutebox

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]

What does that have to do with anything? How are values or ideals being affected back in the mid 90's about a plan of how gov't can subdue major oil spills from happening?

moose_knuckler

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"] What?... Government "plans" equals government resources being spent on prevention etc. Which in the end gives the government more authority in that particular field. It doesn't matter how old the plan is or if it even exists or not. The right wingers still appeal to government action and government authority.Osaka-06

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="Osaka-06"] What?... Government "plans" equals government resources being spent on prevention etc. Which in the end gives the government more authority in that particular field. It doesn't matter how old the plan is or if it even exists or not. The right wingers still appeal to government action and government authority.Osaka-06

Didn't he recently legalize off-shore drilling? I'd say he's somewhat responsible.

Some blame for not regulating them fully but the majority of the blame is with the laws of physics.markop2003

If this had happen while Bush was president, how much do you want to bet everyone would say it was Bush's fault?bobdood99

Yeah I'd bet that most people would say it was his fault AND he was handling it bad. Not almighty Obama though, oh no.

[QUOTE="bobdood99"]If this had happen while Bush was president, how much do you want to bet everyone would say it was Bush's fault?howlrunner13

Yeah I'd bet that most people would say it was his fault AND he was handling it bad. Not almighty Obama though, oh no.

[QUOTE="Osaka-06"]

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Yes I'm very well aware of how that works but why does the word Big Government come in? Keeping gallons upon gallons of oil from possibly disrupting ecosystems/jobs/etc. would fall under necessary government wouldn't you think? moose_knuckler

None. This isn't a US president's fault. It's BP's.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

None. This isn't a US president's fault. It's BP's.

Ninja-Hippo

As an aside....we agree on something.:o:P

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="LastCaveMan"]

Not big government? so YOU paying for the mess someone else has created, is not big government?

LJS9502_basic

That's not necessarily true...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] We aren't going to pay for it, BP is. They have already been billed 69 million (just partial payment) which has to be paid by July 1st. Look, people know we need the government is some situations. Repubs do want government but they don't want them taking over business, etc etc etc.chessmaster1989

That's not necessarily true...

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

None. This isn't a US president's fault. It's BP's.

LJS9502_basic

As an aside....we agree on something.:o:P

[QUOTE="howlrunner13"]

[QUOTE="bobdood99"]If this had happen while Bush was president, how much do you want to bet everyone would say it was Bush's fault?bobdood99

Yeah I'd bet that most people would say it was his fault AND he was handling it bad. Not almighty Obama though, oh no.

yes it is sad, i find it funny, thats why i take no democrat or republican seriously while they argue politics. Both of them are hypocrites.

[QUOTE="cd_rom"]None. What they hell could he do to prevent it?surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Which will be passed on to consumers as higher pricing....;)surrealnumber5

That's not necessarily true...

Only if demand were perfectly inelastic (and it had kept prices lower than a higher level, which would increase profits, to create extra barriers to entry). Otherwise, the monopoly would have already optimized its profits, and the extra fixed cost would not affect those decisions since:
argmax(profit) = argmax(profit - T) for any constant T

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="Osaka-06"] Keeping its own citizens as healthy as can be would fall under necessary government too wouldn't you think?

Osaka-06

WTH is with you bringing in a bunch of other political topics? Healthcare, taxes, and let me guess.......perhaps you'll say something about the war as well?

[QUOTE="bobdood99"]If this had happen while Bush was president, how much do you want to bet everyone would say it was Bush's fault?howlrunner13

Yeah I'd bet that most people would say it was his fault AND he was handling it bad. Not almighty Obama though, oh no.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="cd_rom"]None. What they hell could he do to prevent it?needled24-7

Zero responsibility. It is BP's fault and they should have been able to stop the leak without the government intervening. Now that Obama has assembled a super team of scientists, they should be able to come up with a solution.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] he could have made sure the inspectors were doing their jobs, he could have aided the rig when it was on fire, he could have looked at the situation sooner then two weeks after it became a catastrophe, he could have used the in place plan that the gov had for this kind of situation, and last but not least he could always do something more then a press release. i voted partial surrealnumber5

Hey now, aren't you the Austrian economics-supporting guy who should be happy because the government wasn't involved at first? And then there were only problems once the government got involved?

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]he doesn't have time to make sure everyone is doing their jobs, he's got his own job to do. and aid the rig when it's in fire? wtf are you talking about?

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]he doesn't have time to make sure everyone is doing their jobs, he's got his own job to do. and aid the rig when it's in fire? wtf are you talking about?

Ontain

Whoa! Free boat ride for 3! Now who should I take... Pete and... Obama.

Not sure if this has been stated yet, but the oil rig that leaked was built long before Obama okay'd more offshore drilling, so it's definitely not his fault. But is he doing enough to fix it? Not at all.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]he doesn't have time to make sure everyone is doing their jobs, he's got his own job to do. and aid the rig when it's in fire? wtf are you talking about?

chessmaster1989

Hey now, aren't you the Austrian economics-supporting guy who should be happy because the government wasn't involved at first? And then there were only problems once the government got involved?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]he doesn't have time to make sure everyone is doing their jobs, he's got his own job to do. and aid the rig when it's in fire? wtf are you talking about?

Ontain