How much blame does Obama deserve for the oil spill?

He's responsible for everything that goes wrong in the world. That's pure fact.

Why on earth is he to blame?

If it's any's fault it's BP for not having the proper procedures to prevent and quickly fix such a disaster.

CAn't say that I like Obama, but neither him nor BP are to blame. No one asked for the vapor lock that caused the rig to go up. Sure Obama shouldn't be vactioning while the largest oil spill in NOrth America happens, that was pretty dumb, but Obama shouldn't be blamed for the initial spill. Unless, of course he was one of the people that voted for more regulations on oil drilling that led to BP drilling out there.

Probably the same amount Bush had for katrina.

kidsmelly

just as much as sarah palin does

which is none :P

BP made the spill...

BP made the spill...

coolbeans90

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BP made the spill...

Jaguar_Shade

He obviously didn't case the spill and neither did any of his policies. The oil rig/spill disaster was not something that anyone had anticpated and no prior regulations would have prevented it. However, Obama's response to the spill was lackadaiscal at first and now seems somewhat contrived in response to the criticism he is receiving.

BP made the spill...

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="cd_rom"]None. What they hell could he do to prevent it?surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="cd_rom"]None. What they hell could he do to prevent it?bruinfan617

Like he knew the rig was going to spill:roll:. It wouldve been the same if anyone else was president.

Obama wasn't the one who threw the restrictions formerly placed on oil companies and threw them out the window. That would be Bush.

http://www.wtrg.com/EnergyReport/National-Energy-Policy.pdf

Am I saying Bush is responsible? No. Placing the blame on Obama, however, is insane. The only thing he is responsbile for is not fixinf Bush's screwup in this situation. Most of the responsibility, however, should be on BP itself for not taking the right measured to ensure something like this wouldn't happen and cut corners instead.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

BP made the spill...

surrealnumber5

How the hell did you pick up that implication from my post? Regardless, companies are financially liable for their actions. End of story.

Obama has been good at his usual sophistry, but in fact he just hasn't taken much ownership over this issue. At some point he has to take more control over what is going on in his own gulf and quit demanding accountability from the sidelines.

He should get as much Blame as Bush got during Katrina, because he responded exactly the same way, except not even as quickly as Bush did. Neither of them were at fault, but I don't like double standards.

Obama wasn't the one who threw the restrictions formerly placed on oil companies and threw them out the window. That would be Bush.

http://www.wtrg.com/EnergyReport/National-Energy-Policy.pdf

Am I saying Bush is responsible? No. Placing the blame on Obama, however, is insane. The only thing he is responsbile for is not fixinf Bush's screwup in this situation. Most of the responsibility, however, should be on BP itself for not taking the right measured to ensure something like this wouldn't happen and cut corners instead.

BumFluff122

I'n not sure how that backs up your claim exactly.:?

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Obama wasn't the one who threw the restrictions formerly placed on oil companies and threw them out the window. That would be Bush.

http://www.wtrg.com/EnergyReport/National-Energy-Policy.pdf

Am I saying Bush is responsible? No. Placing the blame on Obama, however, is insane. The only thing he is responsbile for is not fixinf Bush's screwup in this situation. Most of the responsibility, however, should be on BP itself for not taking the right measured to ensure something like this wouldn't happen and cut corners instead.

QuistisTrepe_

I'n not sure how that backs up your claim exactly.:?

Obama wasn't the one who threw the restrictions formerly placed on oil companies and threw them out the window. That would be Bush.

http://www.wtrg.com/EnergyReport/National-Energy-Policy.pdf

Am I saying Bush is responsible? No. Placing the blame on Obama, however, is insane. The only thing he is responsbile for is not fixinf Bush's screwup in this situation. Most of the responsibility, however, should be on BP itself for not taking the right measured to ensure something like this wouldn't happen and cut corners instead.

BumFluff122

It wasn't issue of restriction or regulation being lessened. It was an issue of FAILURE to properly inspect the rig and enforce what safety regulations do exist. This is evidenced by the fact that the Obama administration gave the rig a safety award last year, and by the fact that the rig was inspected by the feds just TEN days before it blew up.

only in america...

Probably the same amount Bush had for katrina.

kidsmelly

It wasn't issue of restriction or regulation being lessened. It was an issue of FAILURE to properly inspect the rig and enforce what safety regulations do exist. This is evidenced by the fact that the Obama administration gave the rig a safety award last year, and by the fact that the rig was inspected by the feds just TEN days before it blew up.

Communistik

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

BP made the spill...

coolbeans90

How the hell did you pick up that implication from my post? Regardless, companies are financially liable for their actions. End of story.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] so are you saying the CEO and stock holders of BP swam to the rig and blew it up in order to cause the spill, because thats just like the comments bout barry taking a boat out there and personally fixing it. surrealnumber5

How the hell did you pick up that implication from my post? Regardless, companies are financially liable for their actions. End of story.

Regardless of Obama's ability to prevent the spill, BP should be held completely accountable for the event, even if it was accidental. I don't think that Obama should be blamed for the oil spill as regulation is very often, quite frankly, damned ineffective. To expect the person, who selects a person, in turn makes regulations which will always leave room for human error to result in absolutely no accidents, and to hold the person who somewhere up the chain of command made a decision to be personally responsible for the oil spill is beyond ludicrous. For instance, one should not blame the governor of a state if a drunk driver runs over a kid, even if the governor technically signs/vetoes laws regarding the sale and consumption of alcohol. Blame the drunk driver.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

How the hell did you pick up that implication from my post? Regardless, companies are financially liable for their actions. End of story.

coolbeans90

Regardless of Obama's ability to prevent the spill, BP should be held completely accountable for the event, even if it was accidental. I don't think that Obama should be blamed for the oil spill as regulation is very often, quite frankly, damned ineffective. To expect the person, who selects a person, in turn makes regulations which will always leave room for human error to result in absolutely no accidents, and to hold the person who somewhere up the chain of command made a decision to be personally responsible for the oil spill is beyond ludicrous. For instance, one should not blame the governor of a state if a drunk driver runs over a kid, even if the governor technically signs/vetoes laws regarding the sale and consumption of alcohol. Blame the drunk driver.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i was making a purposefully retarded statement just like those who defend barry and try to offend those who thinks he has done less then what he could have by saying something along the lines of " you expect obama to swim out there in scuba gear, personally fix the leak, and skim off all of the oil. luz"

surrealnumber5

Regardless of Obama's ability to prevent the spill, BP should be held completely accountable for the event, even if it was accidental. I don't think that Obama should be blamed for the oil spill as regulation is very often, quite frankly, damned ineffective. To expect the person, who selects a person, in turn makes regulations which will always leave room for human error to result in absolutely no accidents, and to hold the person who somewhere up the chain of command made a decision to be personally responsible for the oil spill is beyond ludicrous. For instance, one should not blame the governor of a state if a drunk driver runs over a kid, even if the governor technically signs/vetoes laws regarding the sale and consumption of alcohol. Blame the drunk driver.

Regulation works to some extent, albeit far less than optimally. The point, theoretically speaking, is based upon the assumption that it does work, at least to a reasonable extent therefore prevent unwanted bad things from happening.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Regardless of Obama's ability to prevent the spill, BP should be held completely accountable for the event, even if it was accidental. I don't think that Obama should be blamed for the oil spill as regulation is very often, quite frankly, damned ineffective. To expect the person, who selects a person, in turn makes regulations which will always leave room for human error to result in absolutely no accidents, and to hold the person who somewhere up the chain of command made a decision to be personally responsible for the oil spill is beyond ludicrous. For instance, one should not blame the governor of a state if a drunk driver runs over a kid, even if the governor technically signs/vetoes laws regarding the sale and consumption of alcohol. Blame the drunk driver.

coolbeans90

Regulation works to some extent, albeit far less than optimally. The point, theoretically speaking, is based upon the assumption that it does work, at least to a reasonable extent therefore prevent unwanted bad things from happening.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] if regulation does not work then whats its point?surrealnumber5

Regulation works to some extent, albeit far less than optimally. The point, theoretically speaking, is based upon the assumption that it does work, at least to a reasonable extent therefore prevent unwanted bad things from happening.

They can have positive effects, and I'm certainly not denying that. But to expect them to be perfect is rather silly. Furthermore, to shift the blame from those who screw up in some manner to those who attempt to regulate industry (and imperfectly at that...) is also uncalled for.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Regulation works to some extent, albeit far less than optimally. The point, theoretically speaking, is based upon the assumption that it does work, at least to a reasonable extent therefore prevent unwanted bad things from happening.

coolbeans90

They can have positive effects, and I'm certainly not denying that. But to expect them to be perfect is rather silly. Furthermore, to shift the blame from those who screw up in some manner to those who attempt to regulate industry (and imperfectly at that...) is also uncalled for.

I don't think its the president's fault at all, but just think about this for a minute.

The president gets elected, to oversee the country in good times or bad. Therefore, the buck stops with him. While I do agree with most of you that it is not his fault, I just don't think he is smart enough to handle a crysis maybe? I pray that I am wrong, but we shall see.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] it cant go both ways. regulations being good because in theory they prevent things but when they dont no one is to blame because they dont really work is not an ok thought. surrealnumber5

They can have positive effects, and I'm certainly not denying that. But to expect them to be perfect is rather silly. Furthermore, to shift the blame from those who screw up in some manner to those who attempt to regulate industry (and imperfectly at that...) is also uncalled for.

Fair enough. I personally think that BP should bear the complete financial cost of the incident.

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

Obama wasn't the one who threw the restrictions formerly placed on oil companies and threw them out the window. That would be Bush.

http://www.wtrg.com/EnergyReport/National-Energy-Policy.pdf

Am I saying Bush is responsible? No. Placing the blame on Obama, however, is insane. The only thing he is responsbile for is not fixinf Bush's screwup in this situation. Most of the responsibility, however, should be on BP itself for not taking the right measured to ensure something like this wouldn't happen and cut corners instead.

BumFluff122

I'n not sure how that backs up your claim exactly.:?

Yeah, that sure is some objective analysis there.:lol:

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Ontain"] couldn't the collapse of our banking system be seen as a domestic threat?Ontain

Because economists that support Obama said it would?

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Sorry - that's not good enough. . There were many economists that said the exact opposite.

Plus - the main problem behind all of that - Fannie and Freddie - (friends of Obama) had nothing happen to them, and Obama won't even talk about it to the press.

This is the most corrupt President we've had in a LONG time..

Wait, how did Obama cause this?Avistann

None. Obama had nothing to do with the oil spill. coolkid93

Of course he didn't cause the spill, no rational person believes Obama caused it. It has been his handling of the issue which has exacerbated it however.

I think we should worry about who's to blame after we've actually fixed it.

none. he isnt the one who caused it so there for fail

Apparently he deserves some blame:

"Sometimes he doesn't have such a clear shot, such as when he said the federal government – including his own – was partly responsible for the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37631_Page2.html#ixzz0pwHGzWOq"