How's attacking religions is different from

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Religion is a philosophical position that has every right to be criticised on intellectual grounds in a forum.MetalGear_Ninty

Depends on how you define "intellectual grounds" and how far you go with that definition.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]So its ok to discrimminate on them then? So it's ok to deny them equal rights because you don't agree with them? Please tell me you don't agree with that line of thought.MoonMarvel

Freedom of practising religions and rituals is protected by constitutions in every country. Why do people bash it as if it was a crime and praise repuslive acts in the name of personal freedom? Hypocracy at its best!

[QUOTE="viewtiful26"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]You can do anything you want with choice uncluding choosing to believe in a certain religion. Do people choose to be dark skinned or light skinned?

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] OK.

Isn't it unfair though that ifsome are more predisposed to accept religion than others, and thus have a much greater chance of being granted eternal salvation?

MetalGear_Ninty

Not really, because it's not a matter of predisposition. Read the book I just linked to. It's awesome.

I can't paraphrase it because paraphrasing a 200-page book written by an Oxford psychologist is a bit harrowing of a task. However, not having a choice does not necessarily mean being predisposed; if I don't have the choice to have a limb removed due to harm, am I predisposed to losing the limb?

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]So its ok to discrimminate on them then? So it's ok to deny them equal rights because you don't agree with them? Please tell me you don't agree with that line of thought.Theokhoth

Depends on how you define "intellectual grounds" and how far you go with that definition.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]But in Gamespot boards, it's ok to bash religions.

gamingqueen

Critisim does not equal useless and personal bashing.Critisim should be done in a respectful manner.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

[QUOTE="horgen123"]I had the impression that it wasn't right. You can criticise it, but bashing... I didn't think that was accepted. horgen123

But in Gamespot boards, it's ok to bash religions.

No no I'm positive. A guy here started a topic with a number of links saying what's in them is a joke and posted the lol smiley. Is that making fun of someone's religion or "critisizing"?

If I post pics of you and a laughing smiley, would you consider it critism?

[QUOTE="solid_mario"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

But could he just wake up tomorrow and choose to follow Christianity without an NDE or any other outside influence? If not, then is he really choosing?

Theokhoth

Well, I sure as hell know I couldn't wake up tomorrow and not believe in God.

It's arguable that we really don't have free will at all. Genes + Environment = everything we say, do and believe being influenced.

[QUOTE="horgen123"]I had the impression that it wasn't right. You can criticise it, but bashing... I didn't think that was accepted. gamingqueen

But in Gamespot boards, it's ok to bash religions.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]So its ok to discrimminate on them then? So it's ok to deny them equal rights because you don't agree with them? Please tell me you don't agree with that line of thought.Theokhoth

Depends on how you define "intellectual grounds" and how far you go with that definition.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Well I did say 'criticised on intellectual grounds', which would pretty much rules out discrimination and bigotry.MetalGear_Ninty

Depends on how you define "intellectual grounds" and how far you go with that definition.

Ah, but that in itself is discrimination.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Not really, because it's not a matter of predisposition. Read the book I just linked to. It's awesome.

I can't paraphrase it because paraphrasing a 200-page book written by an Oxford psychologist is a bit harrowing of a task. However, not having a choice does not necessarily mean being predisposed; if I don't have the choice to have a limb removed due to harm, am I predisposed to losing the limb?

Yeah, I was just joking about MJ, I still consider him to be a black man. Still there was a topic here awhile about some kid getting a sex change from a boy to a girl. I'd still consider him a boy, even though the legal system at his country might say otherwise.viewtiful26

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Well I did say 'criticised on intellectual grounds', which would pretty much rules out discrimination and bigotry.MoonMarvel

Depends on how you define "intellectual grounds" and how far you go with that definition.

I see enough people calling on God to justify it that I can easily believe that people will call on intellectual grounds to justify it.

Well I did say 'criticised on intellectual grounds', which would pretty much rules out discrimination and bigotry.MetalGear_Ninty

Depends on how you define "intellectual grounds" and how far you go with that definition.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Depends on how you define "intellectual grounds" and how far you go with that definition.

Ah, but that in itself is discrimination.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Well I supposse I just assumed that bigotry and discrimination can't really be considered intelligent in any sense.MetalGear_Ninty

Ah, but that in itself is discrimination.

[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

But in Gamespot boards, it's ok to bash religions.

gamingqueen

No no I'm positive. A guy here started a topic with a number of links saying what's in them is a joke and posted the lol smiley. Is that making fun of someone's religion or "critisizing"?

If I post pics of you and a laughing smiley, would you consider it critism?

Well I supposse I just assumed that bigotry and discrimination can't really be considered intelligent in any sense.MetalGear_Ninty

Ah, but that in itself is discrimination.

Well, that made me curious, does Christians believe Muslims won't go to heaven?

If it's ok for me to bash people because of their religiongamingqueen

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] I don't have time to read it, so you'l just have to paraphrase. :wink: How is this not a matter of predisposition if it is claimed that some people don't have a choice in religion?MetalGear_Ninty

I can't paraphrase it because paraphrasing a 200-page book written by an Oxford psychologist is a bit harrowing of a task. However, not having a choice does not necessarily mean being predisposed; if I don't have the choice to have a limb removed due to harm, am I predisposed to losing the limb?

No idea. But according to good ol' evolution, beneficence of some kind. Though Barrett's premise is sort of in subconscious knowledge that leads to conscious beliefs.

See why it's so interesting?:D

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Ah, but that in itself is discrimination.

Funky_Llama

Well, that made me curious, does Christians believe Muslims won't go to heaven?

Dark-Sithious

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Depends on how you define "intellectual grounds" and how far you go with that definition.

Theokhoth

I see enough people calling on God to justify it that I can easily believe that people will call on intellectual grounds to justify it.

Whether you believe in religions or not, what gives you the right to critisize?

I have many friends of different faiths, I'VE NEVER made fun of anyone of my friends' religions nor asked why do this this or that :roll:

Sorry, but what you're doing is not "critisizm" rather bigotry.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] I don't get you.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Well I supposse I just assumed that bigotry and discrimination can't really be considered intelligent in any sense.MetalGear_Ninty

Ah, but that in itself is discrimination.

You discriminate against people who discriminate. That fails under your own definition of intellectual grounds; making you a part of the discrimination. If intellectual grounds are consistent, they should not violate their own definitions. If they aren't consistent, there's really no reason to call them "grounds."

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

[QUOTE="horgen123"] This place differs from reality and you know it well... And are you sure you don't mix up with someone stating their own opinion about religion? ( I don't read religious threads so much so I barely knows what goes on in them)BumFluff122

No no I'm positive. A guy here started a topic with a number of links saying what's in them is a joke and posted the lol smiley. Is that making fun of someone's religion or "critisizing"?

If I post pics of you and a laughing smiley, would you consider it critism?

No another thread! A topic I posted in.

Whether you believe in religions or not, what gives you the right to critisize?

gamingqueen

If you think he shouldn't be allowed to criticise a religion, tell me why.

Well, that made me curious, does Christians believe Muslims won't go to heaven?

Dark-Sithious

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]You'd be surprised how far people will go to justify their hatred of a group of people.gamingqueen

I see enough people calling on God to justify it that I can easily believe that people will call on intellectual grounds to justify it.

Whether you believe in religions or not, what gives you the right to critisize?

I have many friends of different faiths, I'VE NEVER made fun of anyone of my friends' religions nor asked why do this this or that :roll:

Sorry, but what you're doing is not "critisizm" rather bigotry.

Me? I'm a Christian.:| I also have friends of many faiths.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]You'd be surprised how far people will go to justify their hatred of a group of people.gamingqueen

I see enough people calling on God to justify it that I can easily believe that people will call on intellectual grounds to justify it.

Whether you believe in religions or not, what gives you the right to critisize?

I have many friends of different faiths, I'VE NEVER made fun of anyone of my friends' religions nor asked why do this this or that :roll:

Sorry, but what you're doing is not "critisizm" rather bigotry.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

I can't paraphrase it because paraphrasing a 200-page book written by an Oxford psychologist is a bit harrowing of a task. However, not having a choice does not necessarily mean being predisposed; if I don't have the choice to have a limb removed due to harm, am I predisposed to losing the limb?

No idea. But according to good ol' evolution, beneficence of some kind. Though Barrett's premise is sort of in subconscious knowledge that leads to conscious beliefs.

See why it's so interesting?:D

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Whether you believe in religions or not, what gives you the right to critisize?

Funky_Llama

If you think he shouldn't be allowed to criticise a religion, tell me why.

No no I'm positive. A guy here started a topic with a number of links saying what's in them is a joke and posted the lol smiley. Is that making fun of someone's religion or "critisizing"?

If I post pics of you and a laughing smiley, would you consider it critism?

gamingqueen

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Whether you believe in religions or not, what gives you the right to critisize?

Funky_Llama

If you think he shouldn't be allowed to criticise a religion, tell me why.

Criticising a religion is fine. . .as long as it's like criticising a book. You go over the main points, how it's all lined up, etc, and then lay down the good/bad/ugly with a final grade.

Criticism as in going "lol religion is teh sux" is just a waste of time.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Ah, but that in itself is discrimination.

You discriminate against people who discriminate. That fails under your own definition of intellectual grounds; making you a part of the discrimination. If intellectual grounds are consistent, they should not violate their own definitions. If they aren't consistent, there's really no reason to call them "grounds."

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Whether you believe in religions or not, what gives you the right to critisize?

Funky_Llama

If you think he shouldn't be allowed to criticise a religion, tell me why.

There are topics which are prohibited from being discussed other than religions. What I'm seeing is not critisizing. It's baseless and pointless bashing.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

I see enough people calling on God to justify it that I can easily believe that people will call on intellectual grounds to justify it.

solid_mario

Whether you believe in religions or not, what gives you the right to critisize?

I have many friends of different faiths, I'VE NEVER made fun of anyone of my friends' religions nor asked why do this this or that :roll:

Sorry, but what you're doing is not "critisizm" rather bigotry.

Kegel believed we progress by waging war with eachother. Once we start sitting down and being civil, progress comes to a halt.

Just found that ironic.:P

[QUOTE="Dark-Sithious"]

Well, that made me curious, does Christians believe Muslims won't go to heaven?

Funky_Llama

lol, my a kid in my highschool said something I found kind of funny and your post reminded me of it:

Teacher: "What's Hell?"

Student: "Hell is where all religious people go after they die"

Teacher (obviously perplexed): "Why do you say that?"

Student: "People with strong and differing religious beliefs all forced to live in the same area? At least the atheists have a chance of getting along"

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] I don't get you.MetalGear_Ninty

You discriminate against people who discriminate. That fails under your own definition of intellectual grounds; making you a part of the discrimination. If intellectual grounds are consistent, they should not violate their own definitions. If they aren't consistent, there's really no reason to call them "grounds."

Next time, use a damn smiley. :x

[QUOTE="solid_mario"][QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Whether you believe in religions or not, what gives you the right to critisize?

I have many friends of different faiths, I'VE NEVER made fun of anyone of my friends' religions nor asked why do this this or that :roll:

Sorry, but what you're doing is not "critisizm" rather bigotry.

Theokhoth

Kegel believed we progress by waging war with eachother. Once we start sitting down and being civil, progress comes to a halt.

Just found that ironic.:P

lol, my a kid in my highschool said something I found kind of funny and your post reminded me of it:

Teacher: "What's Hell?"

Student: "Hell is where all religious people go after they die"

Teacher (obviously perplexed): "Why do you say that?"

Student: "People with strong and differing religious beliefs all forced to live in the same area? At least the atheists have a chance of getting along"

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Whether you believe in religions or not, what gives you the right to critisize?

gamingqueen

If you think he shouldn't be allowed to criticise a religion, tell me why.

There are topics which are prohibited from being discussed other than religions. What I'm seeing is not critisizing. It's baseless and pointless bashing.