How's attacking religions is different from

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] [QUOTE="mindstorm"] Technically I did not "choose" my religion. I believe it's true and do not choose my beliefs simply because I want them to be true.mindstorm

A. Define true.

B. Do you have any proof that Christianity IS true?

The religion you follow is a matter of choice. You cannot choose what race you were born into.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] Nope, I believe my religion to be true just as I believe I my room wall to be white. I can't force myself to believe anything else. I need no convincing nor "indoctrination" to believe otherwise. Of course, I admit my eyes could deceive me, but I have yet to find any solid proof that my wall is not white/Christianity is not true.theone86

A. Define true.

B. Do you have any proof that Christianity IS true?

A. Truth: What is, not ought, not what I wish. Note I stated, "I believe my religion to be true." I have yet to believe otherwise after years of studying Christianity in depth.

B. I could get into many debates here... existence of God, biblical arguments, archaeological arguments, historical arguments, life experiences, etc.

You also can't choose what religion you're born into. Not that I don't think you shouldn't be able to debate religion and attack certain principles and practices, I think attacking a religion itself probably is a little too far, but anyways, I'm just saying it's a lot less of a choice for a lot of people than they make it out to be. It is definitely comprable to ethnicity.

You also can't choose what religion you're born into. Not that I don't think you shouldn't be able to debate religion and attack certain principles and practices, I think attacking probably is a little too far, but anyways, I'm just saying it's a lot less of a choice for a lot of people than they make it out to be. It is definitely comprable to ethnicity.

theone86

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"] Nope, I believe my religion to be true just as I believe I my room wall to be white. I can't force myself to believe anything else. I need no convincing nor "indoctrination" to believe otherwise. Of course, I admit my eyes could deceive me, but I have yet to find any solid proof that my wall is not white/Christianity is not true.mindstorm

A. Define true.

B. Do you have any proof that Christianity IS true?

A. Truth: What is, not ought, not what I wish. Note I stated, "I believe my religion to be true." I have yet to believe otherwise after years of studying Christianity in depth.

B. I could get into many debates here... existence of God, biblical arguments, archaeological arguments, historical arguments, life experiences, etc.

What is is still a very vague answer, and by that definition I don't know that you can say any religion is truth. You can say god is, but how do you prove that? You can't see him, hear him, touch him, smell him, you can't define him by any measurable perameters, how do you say he is?

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You also can't choose what religion you're born into. Not that I don't think you shouldn't be able to debate religion and attack certain principles and practices, I think attacking probably is a little too far, but anyways, I'm just saying it's a lot less of a choice for a lot of people than they make it out to be. It is definitely comprable to ethnicity.

mindstorm

By whose standards? I've heard people say that because our bodies are temples for god, obesity is a sin against god. By that logic, are obese people then choosing to not serve and love god? Where do you draw the lines, who says what is serving god and what isn't, and who's to say which version holds more water than another?

Also, if that's what you're arguing religion truly is, then I believe it should open to vigorous attack and criticism. You should be understanding of people when they believe the way they do because they've been raised to believe that, but if they simply believe it because they believe their views to be superior, then I don't see why we should treat their beliefs with any more respect than they treat anyone else's.

What is is still a very vague answer, and by that definition I don't know that you can say any religion is truth. You can say god is, but how do you prove that? You can't see him, hear him, touch him, smell him, you can't define him by any measurable perameters, how do you say he is?

theone86

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You also can't choose what religion you're born into. Not that I don't think you shouldn't be able to debate religion and attack certain principles and practices, I think attacking probably is a little too far, but anyways, I'm just saying it's a lot less of a choice for a lot of people than they make it out to be. It is definitely comprable to ethnicity.

theone86

By whose standards? I've heard people say that because our bodies are temples for god, obesity is a sin against god. By that logic, are obese people then choosing to not serve and love god? Where do you draw the lines, who says what is serving god and what isn't, and who's to say which version holds more water than another?

Also, if that's what you're arguing religion truly is, then I believe it should open to vigorous attack and criticism. You should be understanding of people when they believe the way they do because they've been raised to believe that, but if they simply believe it because they believe their views to be superior, then I don't see why we should treat their beliefs with any more respect than they treat anyone else's.

The line is drawn at the heart of the individual. The heart and intention must be for God. Out of the heart flows actions. Not all with do actions perfectly (Rom. 7) but the godly actions flow from a godly heart.

I'm actually fine with people arguing against religion. The purpose is finding truth, not good feelings.