I hate how people think they need to go to college to get an "education&quo

It's like people are brainwashed into thinking that in order to have a true education they have to go through college. There's the whole mindset where people think that everyone deserves the right to an education therefore the government should pay for their schooling, even if it is for useless classes/majors. You don't need college to educate yourself, all you need is an internet connection or a library card.

Watch documentaries, watch the history channel, read articles/books about subjects that interest you and you will get a better education than listening to lectures, writing notes, and cramming for tests will give you. People can just buy the books for the classes and read them without actually going to the classes. Now if we're talking about things such as engineering or medicine, that's a little different. People should go to college to get a piece of paper to make themselves appear more valuable to a company, or to get a job, not to get an "education."

Well considering most well paying jobs require one.......................

Well considering most well paying jobs require one.......................

lordreaven

Also in the way of degrees that will actually land you a job, I think it's stupid that you have to take so many electives. If you're majoring in something technical you shouldn't be forced to take english/history/whatever else BS classes. I think the entire education system needs to be drastically reformed.

Well considering most well paying jobs require one.......................

lordreaven

Require what, and education? No they don't, they require a piece of paper saying you did this and that BS to make you seem more valuable than the next guy. They don't care if you're actually smarter, or how much you actually learned.

No, you don't NEED to go to college to get an education or great paying job, but college could certainly help with that.

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Well considering most well paying jobs require one.......................

Require what, and education? No they don't, they require a piece of paper saying you did this and that BS to make you seem more valuable than the next guy. They don't care if you're actually smarter, or how much you actually learned.

People complaining about colleges cutting useless classes like womens studies and that now people wont get education, like the only way to educate yourself is through college.

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Well considering most well paying jobs require one.......................

lordreaven

Require what, and education? No they don't, they require a piece of paper saying you did this and that BS to make you seem more valuable than the next guy. They don't care if you're actually smarter, or how much you actually learned.

Reading comprehension? Technical education is different, if you are being trained to do something in which you will be able to find a job and actually contribute to the economy then your training is valuable. I was referring to general education and the mindset that the only way you can learn stuff is through college.

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Well considering most well paying jobs require one.......................

chocobo7000

Require what, and education? No they don't, they require a piece of paper saying you did this and that BS to make you seem more valuable than the next guy. They don't care if you're actually smarter, or how much you actually learned.

They care if you can do a good job, which would be kind of difficult if you didn't actually learn anything...

Employers are brainwashed too. All you are really paying for is the name of the institute. It's all about money. The colleges grant scholarships to exceptional students because they want them to come to their college or university and make them look good so people will pay to attend. What do get out of college that you can't find at library or a bookstore? A diploma with a name on it.

You don't need college to educate yourself, all you need is an internet connection or a library card.

chocobo7000

Lifelong learning is great (no sarcasm), but there's a big difference between someone with a bachelor's in Wikipedia and a real degree. That difference is testing. When you go to school, you are tested on what you know. You receive grades, and eventually a degree, which proves you mastered the material.

No sane person would hire someone for any sort of professional position without some proof that said person actually knows what they're doing. What, you're just supposed to take someone's word for it that they've been real busy at the library and on the Internet? You want that person building your car? Representing you in court? Performing surgery on you?

Here, I'll take an example from my own field: Defense. Who would you rather have defending your country?

• Someone who's actually been to a Basic training and military specialty schools, and is qualified on the latest weapons and equipment.
• Someone who promises they've been real busy at the gym, go huntin' regular, read up on Army radios online, and play Counterstrike.

Yeah, I want someone who can prove they're educated, by having authorities in the field test and certify them.

well, if you want a DECENT job, yeah you need college8-Bitterness

And if you break it all down into what everything really is... Grade school is a day care center and college is an overpriced apartment. Decent job? A policeman or firefighter make better money than people who have college diplomas. By Brother in law manages a marriot and he NEVER went to college.

There are plenty of vocations that require less than a year of training and the techniciansmake more and areworth more than the average college graduate. Do you know how many people go to college simply because it's the thing to do. So many people have diplomas that they are becoming worthless. College graduate is as common as high school graduate.

well, if you want a DECENT job, yeah you need college8-Bitterness

You are completely missing my point. I was never talking about jobs or anything, I'm talking about education. You're not going to land a decent job with a markting, psycology, or women's studies degree.

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You don't need college to educate yourself, all you need is an internet connection or a library card.

Palantas

Lifelong learning is great (no sarcasm), but there's a big difference between someone with a bachelor's in Wikipedia and a real degree. That difference is testing. When you go to school, you are tested on what you know. You receive grades, and eventually a degree, which proves you mastered the material.

No sane person would hire someone for any sort of professional position without some proof that said person actually knows what they're doing. What, you're just supposed to take someone's word for it that they've been real busy at the library and on the Internet? You want that person building your car? Representing you in court? Performing surgery on you?

Here, I'll take an example from my own field: Defense. Who would you rather have defending your country?

• Someone who's actually been to a Basic training and military specialty schools, and is qualified on the latest weapons and equipment.
• Someone who promises they've been real busy at the gym, go huntin' regular, read up on Army radios online, and play Counterstrike.

Yeah, I want someone who can prove they're educated, by having authorities in the field test and certify them.

Experience >>>>> Schooling. The person with more experience in the field always gets hired first.

The hiring process goes like this: Experience in field>Personality/interviewing skills>Schooling

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You are completely missing my point. I was never talking about jobs or anything, I'm talking about education. You're not going to land a decent job with a markting, psycology, or women's studies degree.

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You don't need college to educate yourself, all you need is an internet connection or a library card.

chocobo7000

Lifelong learning is great (no sarcasm), but there's a big difference between someone with a bachelor's in Wikipedia and a real degree. That difference is testing. When you go to school, you are tested on what you know. You receive grades, and eventually a degree, which proves you mastered the material.

No sane person would hire someone for any sort of professional position without some proof that said person actually knows what they're doing. What, you're just supposed to take someone's word for it that they've been real busy at the library and on the Internet? You want that person building your car? Representing you in court? Performing surgery on you?

Here, I'll take an example from my own field: Defense. Who would you rather have defending your country?

• Someone who's actually been to a Basic training and military specialty schools, and is qualified on the latest weapons and equipment.
• Someone who promises they've been real busy at the gym, go huntin' regular, read up on Army radios online, and play Counterstrike.

Yeah, I want someone who can prove they're educated, by having authorities in the field test and certify them.

Experience >>>>> Schooling. The person with more experience in the field always gets hired first.

The hiring process goes like this: Experience in field>Personality/interviewing skills>Schooling

Except how are you going to get experience if the job requires a masters and you don't even have a bachelors?

Anyways, I agree that college isn't for everyone. However, I think the majority of people don't really know what they want to do, so going to college is a good way to figure it all out. Someone who is self motivated can easily learn everything that college has to offer by themselves. Just look at people like Bill Gates, who dropped out of college because it wouldn't teach him anything he didn't already know. However, not everyone is that self-driven and knows what they want to do, and thus, would go to college.

Yes, experience is worth more. Plus getting work has a lot to do with who you know. If you don't know anybody it's almost impossible to get a good job. The biggest problem today is that no employers want to train anyone they just want to steal employees from other people or expect some half-assed institute to produce an experienced professional.

My grandfathers wherestructural engineers. They never went to college because nobody did. They were employed then trained by people who had experience doing it.Two of my cousins HAVE engineering degrees but one has beenworking at target for years and I don't know what the other one is doing but I knowhis degree was a waste of his time too. When you come from a family of tradesmen it's easy to find work because theyknow a lot of people. You know how my grandfather learned how to build solid structures? By building them. And that's how you got to be an engineer, after about ten years of doing all of the technical & mechanical work you became an engineer. If you built structures for that long you should know everything about them. Today you pay all of this money for an engineering degree and you'll probably end up being an entry leveltechnician anyway since you're inexperienced.

Chances are you're not gonna be making big money and you'll be in a career field that you thought you would never be in.

There is no substitute for a college education, period. If you think there is, it's because you either haven't been or went to one that was worthless. Quit making excuses for your laziness and lack of willingness to devote some time and effort to formally educating yourself.

I hate how people who didn't make it to college think they have an "education&quo

A college degree is needed to be competitive with your peers in most fields now. I'm not sure what it means to have a "true" education for anyone, but personally, it was only during college and then after with my additional sadastic need for more higher level education, that I learned anything. Everything before college was simply prep.

I certainly couldn't have gotten to the point I am now without instructors who were well versed in their area of expertise, who didn't simply lecture and teach off of power point slides, but instructed us with hands on material and techniques.

To me, a full education is at the very least concerning both college as well being self-driven.

Im pretty sure if I was an employer, and a guy sitting infront of me wanting to be hired and starts talking about how he didn't go to college because it was a waste of time and people know enough already would not be taken seriously. I may even think if you're too lazy to go to college how do I know you have the right mindset to work for me?

And I learned more about business in the last 6 months then I would after 6 years trying to learn it from watching documentaries,

History you can learn from discovery channel correct, but I doubt you can make valuable assumptions about wether it is valuable information you are reading, or how to write educated assumptions about the past history uses primary and secondary data that is reliable etc.

College in today's society is a must if you want to continue into decent specialized work environment

I hate how people who didn't make it to college think they have an "education&quo

curtdoggLP5

Why is it that people who can't get into university / college feel the need to belittle it at every opportunity? Is it to make themselves feel better?karriston

There are plenty of people who can get into a college/university but still think it is a waste of time. People choose not to go to college for many reasons.

College is basicly a test to see if you have what it takes to do certain jobs.

a college education opens up more opportunities so your not stuck in one field and the very large majority of careers require a degree with a 6 figure salary.

College is the easy way into getting a good career

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Well considering most well paying jobs require one.......................

weezyfb

Unforunately these days, college doesn't guarantee you anything. People these days expect to drop right intotheir dreamjob as soon as they're done with college, but more often than not reality sets in and it doesn't happen. Then they're either working at Walmart trying to pay off their studen loan or they stay in college because they don't want to work a crappy job, meanwhile their debts continue to pile up.

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Well considering most well paying jobs require one.......................

chocobo7000

Require what, and education? No they don't, they require a piece of paper saying you did this and that BS to make you seem more valuable than the next guy. They don't care if you're actually smarter, or how much you actually learned.

Also in the way of degrees that will actually land you a job, I think it's stupid that you have to take so many electives. If you're majoring in something technical you shouldn't be forced to take english/history/whatever else BS classes. I think the entire education system needs to be drastically reformed.

chocobo7000

I hate how people who didn't make it to college think they have an "education&quo

curtdoggLP5

Unforunately these days, college doesn't guarantee you anything. People these days expect to drop right intotheir dreamjob as soon as they're done with college, but more often than not reality sets in and it doesn't happen. Then they're either working at Walmart trying to pay off their studen loan or they stay in college because they don't want to work a crappy job, meanwhile their debts continue to pile up.

Tangmashi

This is the most accurate answer in this thread so far. Going to college is great, but it doesn't guarantee you anything other than debt.

At the end of the day, you may have a piece of paper that may help you get that job you want, but if you're up against someone with actual experience, you're not getting the job.

College is not for everyone; it all depends on what you want to do in life. Some of the richest people on the planet haven't even finished college (Bill Gates was already mentioned; Hiroshi Yamauchi is another). There's a saying that I heard once: the A students work for the C students.

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Unforunately these days, college doesn't guarantee you anything. People these days expect to drop right intotheir dreamjob as soon as they're done with college, but more often than not reality sets in and it doesn't happen. Then they're either working at Walmart trying to pay off their studen loan or they stay in college because they don't want to work a crappy job, meanwhile their debts continue to pile up.

King9999

This is the most accurate answer in this thread so far. Going to college is great, but it doesn't guarantee you anything other than debt.

At the end of the day, you may have a piece of paper that may help you get that job you want, but if you're up against someone with actual experience, you're not getting the job.

There's a saying that I heard once: the A students work for the C students.

King9999

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[QUOTE="Tangmashi"] 9 times out of 10, that person with actual experience has a college degree too. They just managed to get a job before you.cd_rom

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There's a saying that I heard once: the A students work for the C students.

Engrish_Major

Also in the way of degrees that will actually land you a job, I think it's stupid that you have to take so many electives. If you're majoring in something technical you shouldn't be forced to take english/history/whatever else BS classes. I think the entire education system needs to be drastically reformed.

chocobo7000

I know right...

It is terrible that businesses want employees that are well rounded and can do more than the job specific task.
It sure does suck being able to write well thought out, properly formatted papers. It is even worse being able to communicate with people, having some sense of history, learning about things that happen in the world around us...learning how to learn.

Colleges provide what industries want. There is constant dialogue concerning what students are doing well and not doing well when they graduate.

I just dont like the fact that college cost too much. I dont get why one must pay thousands of dollars to be lectured and then to buy very expensive books. I guess its a way to even things out in society I guess. Fuhgeddabouditt