I have a question for Christians...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]the bible was written by men....Stavrogin_

Jesus was a real person, whether you beleive what he taught or not. He was a person who existde on planet Earth. That lends some creedence to other people being realy. Either way the Bible is meant to teach. some stories are more metaphorical and some are literal.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]*link* I didn't. That's what christians believe.

Stavrogin_

Wait..... what..... EVILBIBLE? :lol: I don't trust that website anymore than the "answersingensis" website. Your under a false assumption that every christian believes in the same exact thing.

It's called bias. That alone is enough reason for me to ignore that website.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

Wait..... what..... EVILBIBLE? :lol: I don't trust that website anymore than the "answersingensis" website. Your under a false assumption that every christian believes in the same exact thing.

Stavrogin_

I looked at the first so called contradiction in the list from evil bible...and quote mining aside...they were from two entirely different events and thus cannot be considered a contradiction. That would be like me saying the fact that you ate a burger for lunch on Monday and chicken on Tuesday was a contradiction. Totally illogical leap that site made. And I imagine it's more of the same. When an agenda is paramount....veracity is not important.

[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Amazing that you appear in this thread all of the sudden and attempt to degraded the Christians in order to gloat.alexside1

what are you even talking about

Your so called "prediction" is questionable at best, that and fact your appear all of the sudden just to post that.Coincidence? I think not.

well I have been lurking in the shadows just waiting for the best time y'know.

Dont wanna say something at the wrong time and appear to be an idiot

[QUOTE="Colin1192"][QUOTE="worlock77"] What, you want him to write out a list of every contradtiction in the Bible? That could make for a very long post. The Bible is known to be riddled with contradictions, and even the most staunch of apoligists will acknowledge that.scorch-62

I guess no one wants anything to do with this then

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

what are you even talking about

Colin1192

Your so called "prediction" is questionable at best, that and fact your appear all of the sudden just to post that.Coincidence? I think not.

well I have been lurking in the shadows just waiting for the best time y'know.

Dont wanna say something at the wrong time and appear to be an idiot

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] And I'm asking you to quote it. I have no reason to believe you until you do so.alexside1

So a Christian who will not look in the Bible? Peachy.

I did not claim that "Person Y said X", I pointed out a contradiction in the book. And I told you exactly where to look in your own holy book. It should not be necessary for me to do a copy-paste job for you as you should have it at your fingertips already. Look in your holy book. Read the chapters I mentioned. Tell me if you feel there is no contradiction there.

Christianity is the CoD of religion, everybody hates it because it is so popular!

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So a Christian who will not look in the Bible? Peachy.

worlock77

I did not claim that "Person Y said X", I pointed out a contradiction in the book. And I told you exactly where to look in your own holy book. It should not be necessary for me to do a copy-paste job for you as you should have it at your fingertips already. Look in your holy book. Read the chapters I mentioned. Tell me if you feel there is no contradiction there.

It's called bias. That alone is enough reason for me to ignore that website.alexside1

If you break down the Bible.....some parts are logistical, historical, and legal in the case of the OT. As for what the bible is....written by men, inspired by God to teach a message. Not all parts are relative to that however.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Colin1192"] yes, that is exactly what he wants. because no one would do such a thing, so he makes it his demand. then when no one will do that, he claims victoryColin1192

I guess no one wants anything to do with this then

. [QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If you break down the Bible.....some parts are logistical, historical, and legal in the case of the OT. As for what the bible is....written by men, inspired by God to teach a message. Not all parts are relative to that however.Stavrogin_

Why do these threads still occur? The only right way to discuss religion among people of differing faiths is when they are all drunk, and the other guy is buying... that way, everything stays mellow, no one leaves with bad feelings, and you get a good buzz out of it. 8)

You haven't shown me any mistakes though....read my edit.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You haven't shown me any mistakes though....read my edit.Stavrogin_

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So a Christian who will not look in the Bible? Peachy.

worlock77

I did not claim that "Person Y said X", I pointed out a contradiction in the book. And I told you exactly where to look in your own holy book. It should not be necessary for me to do a copy-paste job for you as you should have it at your fingertips already. Look in your holy book. Read the chapters I mentioned. Tell me if you feel there is no contradiction there.

How come no one tries to bash Havamal. Us pagans feel left out. :(

How come no one tries to bash Havamal. Us pagans feel left out. :(

TheHighWind

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You haven't shown me any mistakes though....read my edit.LJS9502_basic

Isaiah 40:22- It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And it's inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)

[QUOTE="TheHighWind"]

How come no one tries to bash Havamal. Us pagans feel left out. :(

LJS9502_basic

Ahahahahaha!

Pagans are a lot of things. They can be Norse, Roman, Celtic yes, Mayan, all sorts. They just belive in the old gods.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]It's called bias. That alone is enough reason for me to ignore that website.Stavrogin_

If your going revert to ad hominem attacks by implying that I'm blind, because I ignore a website due to it's bias, then I have no reason to continue our discussion.

Science is but a snapshot of the information that man has at any given time. And that does change and get questioned. And you can't predict how rudimentary our living conditions are with what can occur in the future as technology and science advance. Doesn't seem logical to not allow for continued growth.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Peachy? If someone claim that someone said x, and my skepticism is ringing I would have ask he/she to provide quotes from reliable sources. This is no different. Now provide it or I consider our discussion to be over.alexside1

I did not claim that "Person Y said X", I pointed out a contradiction in the book. And I told you exactly where to look in your own holy book. It should not be necessary for me to do a copy-paste job for you as you should have it at your fingertips already. Look in your holy book. Read the chapters I mentioned. Tell me if you feel there is no contradiction there.

So you flat out refuse to open up the text that you hold sacred and look to the portions of the text that I cited to check for yourself for any seeming contradiction? You flat out refuse to look in the Bible for yourself?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]I mentioned a pretty obvious one. Bible says the Earth is flat. The Earth is not flat. God is wrong. So?Stavrogin_

Isaiah 40:22- It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And it's inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)

Also, take translation into consideration. The Bible was originally written in Hebrew... the King James' Version was translated into English from Hebrew, Latin and Greek, and has been show time and again to contain translation flaws.

Why do these threads still occur? The only right way to discuss religion among people of differing faiths is when they are all drunk, and the other guy is buying... that way, everything stays mellow, no one leaves with bad feelings, and you get a good buzz out of it. 8)

OrkHammer007

Stavrogin_

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Show me scripture that says God stated the earth was flat...OrkHammer007

Isaiah 40:22- It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And it's inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)

What the!? Of course people in biblical times people thought the earth was flat, people thought that for hundreds and hundres of years.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I did not claim that "Person Y said X", I pointed out a contradiction in the book. And I told you exactly where to look in your own holy book. It should not be necessary for me to do a copy-paste job for you as you should have it at your fingertips already. Look in your holy book. Read the chapters I mentioned. Tell me if you feel there is no contradiction there.

worlock77

So you flat out refuse to open up the text that you hold sacred and look to the portions of the text that I cited to check for yourself for any seeming contradiction? You flat out refuse to look in the Bible for yourself?

[ the difference being that our living conditions would advance

unlike past dumb people who thought leeches Seraphy-

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]I mentioned a pretty obvious one. Bible says the Earth is flat. The Earth is not flat. God is wrong. So?Stavrogin_

Isaiah 40:22- It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And it's inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)

Ehh, I think it's a bit of a stretch to read "the Earth is flat" from those. The "ends/corners of the Earth" thing is pretty commonly employed poetic language and always has been.

[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

Why do these threads still occur? The only right way to discuss religion among people of differing faiths is when they are all drunk, and the other guy is buying... that way, everything stays mellow, no one leaves with bad feelings, and you get a good buzz out of it. 8)

nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Our discussion is over since you didn't provide me any and pull out the same tactics.alexside1

So you flat out refuse to open up the text that you hold sacred and look to the portions of the text that I cited to check for yourself for any seeming contradiction? You flat out refuse to look in the Bible for yourself?

The thing you seem to not grasp is that I'm not claiming anybody said anything. LJS had no problem addressing what I cited, why are you so adamant against doing so? Are you unfamiliar with the scripture in question?

...none of which explicitly says "Yo, peeps... the Earth, she is flat." in fact, getting "The Earth is flat" out of any of that is a pretty big stretchOrkHammer007

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]I mentioned a pretty obvious one. Bible says the Earth is flat. The Earth is not flat. God is wrong. So?Stavrogin_

Isaiah 40:22- It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And it's inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You haven't shown me any mistakes though....read my edit.Stavrogin_

"Four corners of the Earth" (to take an example) is an English phrase. Do you know for certain that this is an EXACT translation, and not just an approximation?dsmccracken

Also i'll see if i can find the verse where it's stated that the Earth rests on pillars.

many people in the bible probably did not exist ie adam and eveweezyfb

[QUOTE="Stavrogin_"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Show me scripture that says God stated the earth was flat...dsmccracken

Isaiah 40:22- It is He who sits above the circle of the earth

"He (God) sits enthroned above the circle of the earth." Isaiah 40:22

This passage from Isaiah was written approximately 2,750 years ago, nearly 750 years before Christ. The word for circle in Hebrew is khug which means to be made spherical, which is in total agreement with what we know of the Earth's shape today.

Interesting what one can find on the internet....

Very well, i stand corrected. I'll just focus on "Isaiah 40:22- It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,Stavrogin_

See above.