[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Actually it's not. Check the sources. World Christian Database isn't necessarily a good source to use when quoting the number of Islams in the world. I've never seen legitimate arguments to say otherwise. If you find a better source that says otherwise, let me know.[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Islam is bigger worldwide than Christianity.jalexbrown
I Just dont get it How could you not believe in God
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]
But you see rebellion against God that was created by God. An omnipotent God would have known it would happen from the beginning of time, and yet he willingly allowed it to happen. But all the free will in the world doesn't do much good to those children, does it?
mindstorm
Indeed God would have known and he did indeed allow it to happen. However, this is only for a short time.
I know this is a strange argument to make in this culture but God is God, he can do whatever the crap he wants. God doesn't need a lawyer to defend him. God is infinitely good, he is infinitely holy, he is infinitely just. We, a finite corruptable people, cannot even begin to imagine the complexities behind the reasoning of God appart from his direct revelation.
That's a cop-out answer if I've ever heard one. "Because we can't comprehend why..." That is great and all if you believe that, but it also brings nothing to the discussion whatsoever, because you're basically using circular logic.
[QUOTE="sonichunter99"]i meant in the Bible if you cant tell implecations The Bible has no facts at all; not a single iota. The most factual thing about the Bible is that the people within it existed in some form (although perhaps outside of Biblical context, of course), and even that is up for debate. alright then how about then the enslavement of Israel to Egypt and Bablylon and for science " the world hangeth on nothing " which many othr religeons thought the earth was supported by some object[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] What? History and scientific facts that prove anything in favor of religion?jalexbrown
[QUOTE="mindstorm"]
[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]
But you see rebellion against God that was created by God. An omnipotent God would have known it would happen from the beginning of time, and yet he willingly allowed it to happen. But all the free will in the world doesn't do much good to those children, does it?
jalexbrown
Indeed God would have known and he did indeed allow it to happen. However, this is only for a short time.
I know this is a strange argument to make in this culture but God is God, he can do whatever the crap he wants. God doesn't need a lawyer to defend him. God is infinitely good, he is infinitely holy, he is infinitely just. We, a finite corruptable people, cannot even begin to imagine the complexities behind the reasoning of God appart from his direct revelation.
That's a cop-out answer if I've ever heard one. "Because we can't comprehend why..." That is great and all if you believe that, but it also brings nothing to the discussion whatsoever, because you're basically using circular logic.
I never said we can't discuss it or put for effort to figure it out, I'm merely saying that at the end of the day we cannot confine an infinite God into a finite box of reasoning. :|[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] Actually it's not.Check the sources. World Christian Database isn't necessarily a good source to use when quoting the number of Islams in the world. I've never seen legitimate arguments to say otherwise. If you find a better source that says otherwise, let me know. I can't come back with anything in print at the moment, because I got it on the authority of my World Religions professor. I'll be sure to ask him where he got his facts, check them out, and let you know what I discover.mindstorm
They were indeed following the word of "their God." The problem is, that is in rebellion against the God I'm talking about.[QUOTE="deadevil666"]To those suicide bombers, it wasn't rebellion. they were following the word of their God.
mindstorm
But you see rebellion against God that was created by God. An omnipotent God would have known it would happen from the beginning of time, and yet he willingly allowed it to happen. But all the free will in the world doesn't do much good to those children, does it?
jalexbrown
Indeed God would have known and he did indeed allow it to happen. However, this is only for a short time.
I know this is a strange argument to make in this culture but God is God, he can do whatever the crap he wants. God doesn't need a lawyer to defend him. God is infinitely good, he is infinitely holy, he is infinitely just. We, a finite corruptable people, cannot even begin to imagine the complexities behind the reasoning of God appart from his direct revelation.
So now there's more than one God?
So if God decided to instruct everyone to boil their babies, would you join in? Or would you inherently feel that boiling babies is wrong, and go agains His command?
[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]
Indeed God would have known and he did indeed allow it to happen. However, this is only for a short time.
I know this is a strange argument to make in this culture but God is God, he can do whatever the crap he wants. God doesn't need a lawyer to defend him. God is infinitely good, he is infinitely holy, he is infinitely just. We, a finite corruptable people, cannot even begin to imagine the complexities behind the reasoning of God appart from his direct revelation.
mindstorm
That's a cop-out answer if I've ever heard one. "Because we can't comprehend why..." That is great and all if you believe that, but it also brings nothing to the discussion whatsoever, because you're basically using circular logic.
I never said we can't discuss it or put for effort to figure it out, I'm merely saying that at the end of the day we cannot confine an infinite God into a finite box of reasoning. :| woah thats deep but true how can we comprehend infinity or pi[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]
Indeed God would have known and he did indeed allow it to happen. However, this is only for a short time.
I know this is a strange argument to make in this culture but God is God, he can do whatever the crap he wants. God doesn't need a lawyer to defend him. God is infinitely good, he is infinitely holy, he is infinitely just. We, a finite corruptable people, cannot even begin to imagine the complexities behind the reasoning of God appart from his direct revelation.
mindstorm
That's a cop-out answer if I've ever heard one. "Because we can't comprehend why..." That is great and all if you believe that, but it also brings nothing to the discussion whatsoever, because you're basically using circular logic.
I never said we can't discuss it or put for effort to figure it out, I'm merely saying that at the end of the day we cannot confine an infinite God into a finite box of reasoning. :|God is not infinite, that's only what Christians describe him as.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"]
[QUOTE="deadevil666"] They were indeed following the word of "their God." The problem is, that is in rebellion against the God I'm talking about.
[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]
But you see rebellion against God that was created by God. An omnipotent God would have known it would happen from the beginning of time, and yet he willingly allowed it to happen. But all the free will in the world doesn't do much good to those children, does it?
deadevil666
Indeed God would have known and he did indeed allow it to happen. However, this is only for a short time.
I know this is a strange argument to make in this culture but God is God, he can do whatever the crap he wants. God doesn't need a lawyer to defend him. God is infinitely good, he is infinitely holy, he is infinitely just. We, a finite corruptable people, cannot even begin to imagine the complexities behind the reasoning of God appart from his direct revelation.
So now there's more than one God?
So if God decided to instruct everyone to boil their babies, would you join in? Or would you inherently feel that boiling babies is wrong, and go agains His command?
no "and he created man in his own image" and we screwed up and here we are and thats how our history was madeThere is one true God but many false gods. As far as your questioning, it's hard to answer because God is the one who wrote the laws to morality. By definition, God is not capable of sinning or instructing another to sin. This is under the belief that sin is going against the will of God. Are you implying that God can willfully act against his own will?So now there's more than one God?
So if God decided to instruct everyone to boil their babies, would you join in? Or would you inherently know that boiling babies is wrong, and go agains His command?
deadevil666
[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="sonichunter99"]
Indeed God would have known and he did indeed allow it to happen. However, this is only for a short time.
I know this is a strange argument to make in this culture but God is God, he can do whatever the crap he wants. God doesn't need a lawyer to defend him. God is infinitely good, he is infinitely holy, he is infinitely just. We, a finite corruptable people, cannot even begin to imagine the complexities behind the reasoning of God appart from his direct revelation.
sonichunter99
That's a cop-out answer if I've ever heard one. "Because we can't comprehend why..." That is great and all if you believe that, but it also brings nothing to the discussion whatsoever, because you're basically using circular logic.
I never said we can't discuss it or put for effort to figure it out, I'm merely saying that at the end of the day we cannot confine an infinite God into a finite box of reasoning. :| If you want to discuss it, at least take a crack at attempting to answer the questions.[QUOTE="deadevil666"]
[QUOTE="mindstorm"]
Indeed God would have known and he did indeed allow it to happen. However, this is only for a short time.
I know this is a strange argument to make in this culture but God is God, he can do whatever the crap he wants. God doesn't need a lawyer to defend him. God is infinitely good, he is infinitely holy, he is infinitely just. We, a finite corruptable people, cannot even begin to imagine the complexities behind the reasoning of God appart from his direct revelation.
sonichunter99
So now there's more than one God?
So if God decided to instruct everyone to boil their babies, would you join in? Or would you inherently feel that boiling babies is wrong, and go agains His command?
no "and he created man in his own image" and we screwed up and here we are and thats how our history was madeYou completely avoided my questions.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"]
Indeed God would have known and he did indeed allow it to happen. However, this is only for a short time.
I know this is a strange argument to make in this culture but God is God, he can do whatever the crap he wants. God doesn't need a lawyer to defend him. God is infinitely good, he is infinitely holy, he is infinitely just. We, a finite corruptable people, cannot even begin to imagine the complexities behind the reasoning of God appart from his direct revelation.
magicalclick
and yet, your punny corrupted human brain can really be sure God is Good, Holy, Just......
Hence the reason I mentioned revelation. What we know about God is what he has told us.
[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]
[QUOTE="sonichunter99"] i mean how can you be a christian (catholic) and not believe every word its hypcrisy and i am Baptist/Lutheran
magicalclick
I dont understand your question. I said I dont claim that everything in the Bible is true. I just find it hard to think that everything concerning God and Jesus was just made up. Who and why would anyone make all that up?
I dont know the answer to everyones questions here and I can't saying everything in the Bible is 100% correct. I just find it hard NOT to believe in God in general when its something that has effected the whole world and continues to do so. Like I said why and how could it all just be made up?
Would you still have true faith if they are indeed made up?
Well I dont know. Theres no proof to show that it is made up and like I said its a pretty big thing (with all the details I mean) for someone to have made up anyway. I mean why go through so much trouble in making something like that up. Too fool the whole world? For what reason.
Also the other person said I only believed in halfway. Its not that. Even though I am Catholic Im still open minded enough to think that maybe not everything in the Bible is accurate. I mean Ive heard people say its a sin to be Gay....but I dont believe in that at all. I think God loves you no matter what your sexual orientation is.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"]
[QUOTE="deadevil666"] They were indeed following the word of "their God." The problem is, that is in rebellion against the God I'm talking about.
[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]
But you see rebellion against God that was created by God. An omnipotent God would have known it would happen from the beginning of time, and yet he willingly allowed it to happen. But all the free will in the world doesn't do much good to those children, does it?
magicalclick
Indeed God would have known and he did indeed allow it to happen. However, this is only for a short time.
I know this is a strange argument to make in this culture but God is God, he can do whatever the crap he wants. God doesn't need a lawyer to defend him. God is infinitely good, he is infinitely holy, he is infinitely just. We, a finite corruptable people, cannot even begin to imagine the complexities behind the reasoning of God appart from his direct revelation.
and yet, your punny corrupted human brain can really be sure God is Good, Holy, Just...... he gave us text if you can read and are willing to believe it then theres your answer
Everything is just in perfect balance.The birds singing the wind trees the flowers the world is beautiful..This all cant just happen by chance..I mean really come on just because you dont see it doesnt mean its not there.Everybody has a mind a brain a soul a voice that tells them right or wrong god gave everybody free will.And besides ive rather believe in something than not beieving in anything at all.Some atheists act like christians fear death and worry about it..We dont fear it we welcome it when our time comes to be with our family.And you guys think christians follow the rules without disobeying we dont god forgives us.I just dont get how you guys dont believe in God
wickedwaffle
I laughed, seriosuly.
[QUOTE="wickedwaffle"]
Everything is just in perfect balance.The birds singing the wind trees the flowers the world is beautiful..This all cant just happen by chance..I mean really come on just because you dont see it doesnt mean its not there.Everybody has a mind a brain a soul a voice that tells them right or wrong god gave everybody free will.And besides ive rather believe in something than not beieving in anything at all.Some atheists act like christians fear death and worry about it..We dont fear it we welcome it when our time comes to be with our family.And you guys think christians follow the rules without disobeying we dont god forgives us.I just dont get how you guys dont believe in God
haggard_korn
I laughed, seriosuly.
i didnt but i agree with youWell...he is infinite and omnipotent, isn't he?Are you implying that God can willfully act against his own will?
mindstorm
There is one true God but many false gods. As far as your questioning, it's hard to answer because God is the one who wrote the laws to morality. By definition, God is not capable of sinning or instructing another to sin. This is under the belief that sin is going against the will of God. Are you implying that God can willfully act against his own will?[QUOTE="deadevil666"]
So now there's more than one God?
So if God decided to instruct everyone to boil their babies, would you join in? Or would you inherently know that boiling babies is wrong, and go agains His command?
mindstorm
God is defined as all-powetrful, no? He can do anything he wishes, including instructing everyone to boil their babies (or lie to others, or disrespect others), and if you go against his will, he can punish you. So, the question is, will you boil babies because God told you so? Or will you not boil the babies because you know it is wrong, thus going against His will?
Does God decide what is right and wrong, or do we?
There is one true God but many false gods. As far as your questioning, it's hard to answer because God is the one who wrote the laws to morality. By definition, God is not capable of sinning or instructing another to sin. This is under the belief that sin is going against the will of God. Are you implying that God can willfully act against his own will?[QUOTE="mindstorm"]
[QUOTE="deadevil666"]
So now there's more than one God?
So if God decided to instruct everyone to boil their babies, would you join in? Or would you inherently know that boiling babies is wrong, and go agains His command?
deadevil666
God is defines as all-powetrful, no? He can do anything he wishes, including instrusting everyone to boil their babies (or lie to others, or disrespect others), and if you go against his will, he can punish you. So, the question is, will you boil babies because God told you so? Or will you not boil the babies because you know it is wrong, thus going against His will?
the quote about him being incapable of instructing others to sin is wrong because he can do anything. he is everywher ... even in hellThere is one true God but many false gods. As far as your questioning, it's hard to answer because God is the one who wrote the laws to morality. By definition, God is not capable of sinning or instructing another to sin. This is under the belief that sin is going against the will of God. Are you implying that God can willfully act against his own will?[QUOTE="deadevil666"]
So now there's more than one God?
So if God decided to instruct everyone to boil their babies, would you join in? Or would you inherently know that boiling babies is wrong, and go agains His command?
mindstorm
I disagree. I believe there's just many many interpretations of the same God and differing understandings of what it is and what it's Will is (I refuse to refer to God as a male anymore since it is genderless and the male image was created by us). And humans wrote the laws to morality, not God. God is absolute, and does not live in a world of opposites like we do. And our morality does not even exist at the end of the day. It's a completely subjective human convention that is changed to fit whatever the agenda of a group is. God's morality would not allow for people to be able to twist it for their ends, but that's exactly what you see all over the world. People commit the most heinous acts imaginable under the banner of God's Law, God's morality, and God's Will as spoken by it in the Ancient holy scriptures.
There is one true God but many false gods. As far as your questioning, it's hard to answer because God is the one who wrote the laws to morality. By definition, God is not capable of sinning or instructing another to sin. This is under the belief that sin is going against the will of God. Are you implying that God can willfully act against his own will?[QUOTE="mindstorm"]
[QUOTE="deadevil666"]
So now there's more than one God?
So if God decided to instruct everyone to boil their babies, would you join in? Or would you inherently know that boiling babies is wrong, and go agains His command?
deadevil666
God is defines as all-powetrful, no? He can do anything he wishes, including instrusting everyone to boil their babies (or lie to others, or disrespect others), and if you go against his will, he can punish you. So, the question is, will you boil babies because God told you so? Or will you not boil the babies because you know it is wrong, thus going against His will?
I can't answer the question because it's impossible to answer. The God you describe is a God not characterized by Scripture. It's in complete contradiction to the God I know. I refuse to follow a false God such as this. However, with the God I serve, my greatest desire is to give him my complete obedience.[QUOTE="deadevil666"]
[QUOTE="mindstorm"] There is one true God but many false gods. As far as your questioning, it's hard to answer because God is the one who wrote the laws to morality. By definition, God is not capable of sinning or instructing another to sin. This is under the belief that sin is going against the will of God. Are you implying that God can willfully act against his own will?
sonichunter99
God is defines as all-powetrful, no? He can do anything he wishes, including instrusting everyone to boil their babies (or lie to others, or disrespect others), and if you go against his will, he can punish you. So, the question is, will you boil babies because God told you so? Or will you not boil the babies because you know it is wrong, thus going against His will?
the quote about him being incapable of instructing others to sin is wrong because he can do anything. he is everywher ... even in hellIf what God commands is good, and God commands boiling babies, boiling babies is not a sin. If God told told you to boil babies, would you?
There is one true God but many false gods. As far as your questioning, it's hard to answer because God is the one who wrote the laws to morality. By definition, God is not capable of sinning or instructing another to sin. This is under the belief that sin is going against the will of God. Are you implying that God can willfully act against his own will?[QUOTE="mindstorm"]
[QUOTE="deadevil666"]
So now there's more than one God?
So if God decided to instruct everyone to boil their babies, would you join in? Or would you inherently know that boiling babies is wrong, and go agains His command?
MystikFollower
I disagree. I believe there's just many many interpretations of the same God and differing understandings of what it is and what it's Will is (I refuse to refer to God as a male anymore since it is genderless and the male image was created by us). And humans wrote the laws to morality, not God. God is absolute, and does not live in a world of opposites like we do. And our morality does not even exist at the end of the day. It's a completely subjective human convention that is changed to fit whatever the agenda of a group is. God's morality would not allow for people to be able to twist it for their ends, but that's exactly what you see all over the world. People commit the most heinous acts imaginable under the banner of God's Law, God's morality, and God's Will as spoken by it in the Ancient holy scriptures.
no what about hindus and shinto[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]
[QUOTE="magicalclick"]
Would you still have true faith if they are indeed made up?
magicalclick
Well I dont know. Theres no proof to show that it is made up and like I said its a pretty big thing (with all the details I mean) for someone to have made up anyway. I mean why go through so much trouble in making something like that up. Too fool the whole world? For what reason.
Also the other person said I only believed in halfway. Its not that. Even though I am Catholic Im still open minded enough to think that maybe not everything in the Bible is accurate. I mean Ive heard people say its a sin to be Gay....but I dont believe in that at all. I think God loves you no matter what your sexual orientation is.
It is not about proof. I am just saying, if or just imagine that those books are fake, then what? You really ganna lose your faith. Is your faith come from heart or just based on some text book?
You know the funny thing about faith is that people say it comes from the heart and not the Bible, but if nobody had ever suggest God or Jesus, then they wouldn't have believed it. That means that the faith came after the exposure, which means that if no holy scripture had ever been created, nobody would have faith in God.[QUOTE="deadevil666"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] There is one true God but many false gods. As far as your questioning, it's hard to answer because God is the one who wrote the laws to morality. By definition, God is not capable of sinning or instructing another to sin. This is under the belief that sin is going against the will of God. Are you implying that God can willfully act against his own will?
mindstorm
God is defines as all-powetrful, no? He can do anything he wishes, including instrusting everyone to boil their babies (or lie to others, or disrespect others), and if you go against his will, he can punish you. So, the question is, will you boil babies because God told you so? Or will you not boil the babies because you know it is wrong, thus going against His will?
I can't answer the question because it's impossible to answer. The God you describe is a God not characterized by Scripture. It's in complete contradiction to the God I know. I refuse to follow a false God such as this. However, with the God I serve, my greatest desire is to give him my complete obedience. So that means that God isn't omnipotent or all-powerful?i mean how can you be a christian (catholic) and not believe every word its hypcrisy and i am Baptist/Lutheran[QUOTE="sonichunter99"]
[QUOTE="wildcat2000"]
I believe in God. Now Im not saying that everything in the Bible or thats been writen is true but find it hard NOT to believe.
I mean Christianity (Catholic which I am) is like the biggest religion in the world (I think it is). Plus theres Christmas and Easter. How could something thats believed in by millions (the world over, not saying 100% of the world does), has 2 major holidays based on it and all the diffrent Saints just be made up?
Who would have gone through all that trouble to make all that up? Another thing is when people are dying or close to dying, some claim they saw angels or heaven. Im sure weve all heard storysof people like that. How could all these diffrent people make up similar visions?
Like I said Im not saying that everything writen is true and Im not saying the world is perfect. Im not always in church or anything like that. We go sometimes but me and my family live normal lives. Were not obsessed over it is what I mean. We do say prayers but we lead normal lives. Its not like we pray 24/7.
Im just saying that at the end of it all it's hard to believe that something so major does not exist.
wildcat2000
I dont understand your question. I said I dont claim that everything in the Bible is true. I just find it hard to think that everything concerning God and Jesus was just made up. Who and why would anyone make all that up?
I dont know the answer to everyones questions here and I can't saying everything in the Bible is 100% correct. I just find it hard NOT to believe in God in general when its something that has effected the whole world and continues to do so. Like I said why and how could it all just be made up?
God never made everything up.[QUOTE="deadevil666"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] There is one true God but many false gods. As far as your questioning, it's hard to answer because God is the one who wrote the laws to morality. By definition, God is not capable of sinning or instructing another to sin. This is under the belief that sin is going against the will of God. Are you implying that God can willfully act against his own will?
mindstorm
God is defines as all-powetrful, no? He can do anything he wishes, including instrusting everyone to boil their babies (or lie to others, or disrespect others), and if you go against his will, he can punish you. So, the question is, will you boil babies because God told you so? Or will you not boil the babies because you know it is wrong, thus going against His will?
I can't answer the question because it's impossible to answer. The God you describe is a God not characterized by Scripture. It's in complete contradiction to the God I know. I refuse to follow a false God such as this. However, with the God I serve, my greatest desire is to give him my complete obedience.God is defined as all-powerful through many scriptures. He can command you to boil babies if he wishes, and send you to Hell if you refuse.
Are you saying that God does not determine what is right and wrong?
the quote about him being incapable of instructing others to sin is wrong because he can do anything. he is everywher ... even in hell[QUOTE="sonichunter99"]
[QUOTE="deadevil666"]
God is defines as all-powetrful, no? He can do anything he wishes, including instrusting everyone to boil their babies (or lie to others, or disrespect others), and if you go against his will, he can punish you. So, the question is, will you boil babies because God told you so? Or will you not boil the babies because you know it is wrong, thus going against His will?
deadevil666
If what God commands is good, and God commands boiling babies, boiling babies is not a sin. If God told told you to boil babies, would you?
the answer to both questions is no because Gods direct commands are in the Bible and might not be changed unless zgod told THE WHOLE EARTH DIRECTLY (audio)You know the funny thing about faith is that people say it comes from the heart and not the Bible, but if nobody had ever suggest God or Jesus, then they wouldn't have believed it. That means that the faith came after the exposure, which means that if no holy scripture had ever been created, nobody would have faith in God.[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="magicalclick"]
It is not about proof. I am just saying, if or just imagine that those books are fake, then what? You really ganna lose your faith. Is your faith come from heart or just based on some text book?
magicalclick
I have faith that we would just believe them without exposure, because God is omnipotent. :)
*Bangs head against desk*
So if GOD was real who created him then? He just popped out of no where?...Thats another reason :). Just saying.Foxi911
If God was created by a superior entity then he wouldn't be God anymore would he? Because something more superior would have created that previous God, making him God. Applying that logic would mean that there would also be an even more superior God to create that God that created God. That logic would just go in circles making it invalid. That's why there should only be one God, an omnipotent, perfect entity.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="deadevil666"]I can't answer the question because it's impossible to answer. The God you describe is a God not characterized by Scripture. It's in complete contradiction to the God I know. I refuse to follow a false God such as this. However, with the God I serve, my greatest desire is to give him my complete obedience. So that means that God isn't omnipotent or all-powerful? What... umm... How?God is defines as all-powetrful, no? He can do anything he wishes, including instrusting everyone to boil their babies (or lie to others, or disrespect others), and if you go against his will, he can punish you. So, the question is, will you boil babies because God told you so? Or will you not boil the babies because you know it is wrong, thus going against His will?
jalexbrown
Because God is omnipotent, all-powerful, and perfect, he need not change his opinion. His opinion has already been given in Scripture and need not be changed.
[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]
[QUOTE="mindstorm"] There is one true God but many false gods. As far as your questioning, it's hard to answer because God is the one who wrote the laws to morality. By definition, God is not capable of sinning or instructing another to sin. This is under the belief that sin is going against the will of God. Are you implying that God can willfully act against his own will?
sonichunter99
I disagree. I believe there's just many many interpretations of the same God and differing understandings of what it is and what it's Will is (I refuse to refer to God as a male anymore since it is genderless and the male image was created by us). And humans wrote the laws to morality, not God. God is absolute, and does not live in a world of opposites like we do. And our morality does not even exist at the end of the day. It's a completely subjective human convention that is changed to fit whatever the agenda of a group is. God's morality would not allow for people to be able to twist it for their ends, but that's exactly what you see all over the world. People commit the most heinous acts imaginable under the banner of God's Law, God's morality, and God's Will as spoken by it in the Ancient holy scriptures.
no what about hindus and shintoSome religions have interpreted there to be MANY Gods. What I'm saying, is the fact that God has allowed so many different faiths to grow and prosper in the world, that it seems very unlikely he's only chosen one that he'll accept as the "right" way to come to him. To be perfectly honest, if my God is a God that will condemn a good moral person to an eternity of suffering or nothingness for simply believing in it in the wrong way, or through whatever circumstances, NOT believing in it at all, then I wouldn't want to spend eternity with that God. I don't see an Absolute and unconditionally Loving (most people don't seem to grasp the full implication of absolute unconditional love), being so petty as to condemn people who came to different conclusions on this planet in theinfinitesimallysmall amount of time we spend in this life.
[QUOTE="deadevil666"]
[QUOTE="sonichunter99"] the quote about him being incapable of instructing others to sin is wrong because he can do anything. he is everywher ... even in hell
sonichunter99
If what God commands is good, and God commands boiling babies, boiling babies is not a sin. If God told told you to boil babies, would you?
the answer to both questions is no because Gods direct commands are in the Bible and might not be changed unless zgod told THE WHOLE EARTH DIRECTLY (audio) God didn't tell the whole world to follow the Ten Commandments. He told Moses, whom brought them back to the rest of the world.I can't answer the question because it's impossible to answer. The God you describe is a God not characterized by Scripture. It's in complete contradiction to the God I know. I refuse to follow a false God such as this. However, with the God I serve, my greatest desire is to give him my complete obedience.[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="deadevil666"]
God is defines as all-powetrful, no? He can do anything he wishes, including instrusting everyone to boil their babies (or lie to others, or disrespect others), and if you go against his will, he can punish you. So, the question is, will you boil babies because God told you so? Or will you not boil the babies because you know it is wrong, thus going against His will?
deadevil666
God is defined as all-powerful through many scriptures. He can command you to boil babies if he wishes, and send you to Hell if you refuse.
Are you saying that God does not determine what is right and wrong?
God could but he doesnt because he would go against himself and as Jesus said "a house divied against itself cannot stand can Satan cast out Satan" he cant he would never reach his goalsTo: TP
Are you serious? You must have lived in a bubble all your life to be so ignorant.
So that means that God isn't omnipotent or all-powerful? What... umm... How?[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] I can't answer the question because it's impossible to answer. The God you describe is a God not characterized by Scripture. It's in complete contradiction to the God I know. I refuse to follow a false God such as this. However, with the God I serve, my greatest desire is to give him my complete obedience.mindstorm
Because God is omnipotent, all-powerful, and perfect, he need not change his opinion. His opinion has already been given in Scripture and need not be changed.
But the question was rather or not he COULD change it, and if God is all-powerful then the answer has to be yes.who art thou refering to sirAre you serious? You must have lived in a bubble all your life to be so ignorant.
SouL-Tak3R
I can't answer the question because it's impossible to answer. The God you describe is a God not characterized by Scripture. It's in complete contradiction to the God I know. I refuse to follow a false God such as this. However, with the God I serve, my greatest desire is to give him my complete obedience.[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="deadevil666"]
God is defines as all-powetrful, no? He can do anything he wishes, including instrusting everyone to boil their babies (or lie to others, or disrespect others), and if you go against his will, he can punish you. So, the question is, will you boil babies because God told you so? Or will you not boil the babies because you know it is wrong, thus going against His will?
deadevil666
God is defined as all-powerful through many scriptures. He can command you to boil babies if he wishes, and send you to Hell if you refuse.
Are you saying that God does not determine what is right and wrong?
He does determine what is right and wrong. However, God does not contradict himself. He has already said it's wrong and will not change his mind. Being that God is all-perfect, why would he ever need or desire to change his mind as you think he should? The God you are imagining is imperfect and not the God I serve.[QUOTE="deadevil666"]
[QUOTE="sonichunter99"] the quote about him being incapable of instructing others to sin is wrong because he can do anything. he is everywher ... even in hell
sonichunter99
If what God commands is good, and God commands boiling babies, boiling babies is not a sin. If God told told you to boil babies, would you?
the answer to both questions is no because Gods direct commands are in the Bible and might not be changed unless zgod told THE WHOLE EARTH DIRECTLY (audio)You neglect the omnipotent (all-powerful) characteristic of God. Although his original commands may be present in the bible, he can change them at any time, because he's God.
If God told told you to boil babies, would you?
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