I just finished watching Passion of the Christ...

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[QUOTE="nbtrap1212"]I can understand if you don't believe he's the son of God, but to say that he never existed is a very immature and ignorant comment.nbtrap1212

No its not, however, it is very immature and ignorant of you to call people that based on what they believe in.

Whether or not the man existed cannot be called an opinion or belief. And what did I call people?

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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="nbtrap1212"]I can understand if you don't believe he's the son of God, but to say that he never existed is a very immature and ignorant comment.krp008

The proof is history. The fact that Jesus existed is no more subjective than the fact that Augustus, Plato, or Vergil existed.

yes the actual people existed back in the day, but to think that he's "magical" and lives in the clouds and stuff is all on you

That's what I originally said. Whether or not you think he is the son of God is one's opinion, but his existence is not.

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[QUOTE="nbtrap1212"]I can understand if you don't believe he's the son of God, but to say that he never existed is a very immature and ignorant comment.hoop_hard

No its not, however, it is very immature and ignorant of you to call people that based on what they believe in.

Whether or not the man existed cannot be called an opinion or belief. And what did I call people?

I said the comments were immature and ignorant. And you're the one ignoring history, so don't go asking me for proof of something that is generally agreed upon.

The difference is the evidence I'm guessing, like I said prior, what's the proof exactly?yoshi-lnex

With that logic, I guess you could argue that John Kennedy never existed. SHOW ME HIS BODY!!! I NEED PROOF!!!

[QUOTE="nbtrap1212"]I can understand if you don't believe he's the son of God, but to say that he never existed is a very immature and ignorant comment.yoshi-lnex

The difference is the evidence I'm guessing, like I said prior, what's the proof exactly?yoshi-lnex

[QUOTE="nbtrap1212"] [QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="nbtrap1212"]I can understand if you don't believe he's the son of God, but to say that he never existed is a very immature and ignorant comment.hoop_hard

No. The Bible is for the most part not exact history. It is generally believed that he existed (as much as any other historic person) and you're claiming he did not. You bear the burden of proof.

[QUOTE="nbtrap1212"] [QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]The difference is the evidence I'm guessing, like I said prior, what's the proof exactly?hoop_hard

Wasn't he listed in Roman records or something?

And in hundereds of other documents by his followers?

Then again most of those documents were never found.

[QUOTE="hoop_hard"][QUOTE="nbtrap1212"] [QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="nbtrap1212"]I can understand if you don't believe he's the son of God, but to say that he never existed is a very immature and ignorant comment.nbtrap1212

No. The Bible is for the most part not exact history. It is generally believed that he existed (as much as any other historic person) and you're claiming he did not. You bear the burden of proof.

In fairness, what is your proof? Seems like you both need to be showing each other evidence.

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]The difference is the evidence I'm guessing, like I said prior, what's the proof exactly?nbtrap1212

With that logic, I guess you could argue that John Kennedy never existed. SHOW ME HIS BODY!!! I NEED PROOF!!!

But if you don't believe that, there's plenty of video footage of him.

The figures you've mentioned, cannot be removed from history, not only were there accounts from more than one small group of people, but once they are removed, you create a large gap in human history. When Jesus is removed, this doesn't occur, because for all we know, those self contradicting books were just made up.

So where's the evidence exactly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

"Scholars debate over the details of Jesus' birth, and few claim to know the exact year or date of his birth or death."

Notice how it does not say "Church leaders debate over..."

Yeah, and I know you're going to complain how this is not really exact proof, and you're right. My point is, as I said before, his existence is no more subjective than other historical figures'. So your claim is the deviant one and you must show the proof.

[QUOTE="hoop_hard"][QUOTE="nbtrap1212"] [QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]The difference is the evidence I'm guessing, like I said prior, what's the proof exactly?The_Ish

Wasn't he listed in Roman records or something?

And in hundereds of other documents by his followers?

Then again most of those documents were never found.

Yes he was. I'm not a historian, I just believe in something that is generally knowledge, and I will continue to until someone proves me wrong.

The only reason I saw that movie is because It was one of Mel's films. I was a bit dissapointed. There was this guy above me crying throughout the whole damn film. Now I understand if your Christian and that kind of thing is powerful to you, but c'mon...It ruins the movie for everyone else you crybaby bastard. Again, no offense to your religion or anything else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

"Scholars debate over the details of Jesus' birth, and few claim to know the exact year or date of his birth or death."

Notice how it does not say "Church leaders debate over..."

Yeah, and I know you're going to complain how this is not really exact proof, and you're right. My point is, as I said before, his existence is no more subjective than other historical figures'. So your claim is the deviant one and you must show the proof.

nbtrap1212

Anyway, I'll prove to you that Jesus didn't exist when you prove that the Easter bunny didn't exist, k?

You can't prove that a non-existant being does not exist

yoshi-lnex

Way to assume your argument.

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You can't prove that a non-existant being does not exist

nbtrap1212

Way to assume your argument.

But you still haven't provided proof.

Um, Jesus DID exsist. He may not be the messiah, but saying he didnt exsist is flat out stupid...Def_Jef88

THANK you! I know you don't believe in God, so I appreciate that.

[QUOTE="hoop_hard"][QUOTE="nbtrap1212"] [QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="nbtrap1212"]I can understand if you don't believe he's the son of God, but to say that he never existed is a very immature and ignorant comment.nbtrap1212

No. The Bible is for the most part not exact history. It is generally believed that he existed (as much as any other historic person) and you're claiming he did not. You bear the burden of proof.

Nope, I didn't say that Jesus Christ doesnt exist. I actually believe he did exist. I'm just saying Dont bash people for what they believe in.

I don't see the point of watching Jesus get tortured for 2 hours.Sajo7

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[QUOTE="hoop_hard"][QUOTE="nbtrap1212"] [QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="nbtrap1212"]I can understand if you don't believe he's the son of God, but to say that he never existed is a very immature and ignorant comment.The_Ish

No. The Bible is for the most part not exact history. It is generally believed that he existed (as much as any other historic person) and you're claiming he did not. You bear the burden of proof.

In fairness, what is your proof? Seems like you both need to be showing each other evidence.

How about a source that's not just some random site on the net eh?yoshi-lnex

You ask for proof, someone gives it to you, and then you say "Oh, it's just a random site, it's not proof." Even though it gives historical evidence. . . .How about a "Random" site with "Random" historical sources?

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/calvarymen/introwhoisjesus.html#existed

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]How about a source that's not just some random site on the net eh?Silver_Dragon17

You ask for proof, someone gives it to you, and then you say "Oh, it's just a random site, it's not proof." Even though it gives historical evidence. . . .How about a "Random" site with "Random" historical sources?

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/calvarymen/introwhoisjesus.html#existed

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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]How about a source that's not just some random site on the net eh?hoop_hard

You ask for proof, someone gives it to you, and then you say "Oh, it's just a random site, it's not proof." Even though it gives historical evidence. . . .How about a "Random" site with "Random" historical sources?

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/calvarymen/introwhoisjesus.html#existed

There are sources in BOTH of the links I gave, so what's the problem?

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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]How about a source that's not just some random site on the net eh?Silver_Dragon17

You ask for proof, someone gives it to you, and then you say "Oh, it's just a random site, it's not proof." Even though it gives historical evidence. . . .How about a "Random" site with "Random" historical sources?

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/calvarymen/introwhoisjesus.html#existed

There are sources in BOTH of the links I gave, so what's the problem?

The problem is you cant prove it. The fact is your just providing theories. There are 3 popular theories.

1. Jesus was the son of God who came to earth in human form.
2. Jesus was a man who was later deified.
3. Jesus never existed. The whole story is a myth.

What you believe is YOUR business but don't act like you KNOW the answer.

It was much too shallow, it seemed like the only thing he was trying to accomplish was a graphic depiction of Jesus' torture.EvanSkanes

Well he was trying to be realistic.

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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]How about a source that's not just some random site on the net eh?Silver_Dragon17

You ask for proof, someone gives it to you, and then you say "Oh, it's just a random site, it's not proof." Even though it gives historical evidence. . . .How about a "Random" site with "Random" historical sources?

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/calvarymen/introwhoisjesus.html#existed

There are sources in BOTH of the links I gave, so what's the problem?

[QUOTE="Celldweller465"]torturing someone for 2 hours is in NOTEntertainmentSaintLeonidas

tell that to the saw and hostel fans.

listen up saw and hostel fans...torturing for 2 hours isnt amusing!

I never watched it. Why watch jesus get tortured? Doesn't sound like a very good movie to me.FrozeN__54

[QUOTE="FrozeN__54"]I never watched it. Why watch jesus get tortured? Doesn't sound like a very good movie to me.murlow12

Once again, he didnt sacrifice **** for us.

I saw it. It was okay. Not that great. The directing and acting was very good. But I have heard the whole story. The idea of the movie is very unoriginal (Jesus' crucifiction has been done many times). But I wouldn't go as far to say it was amazing. Not even the best of the year. Just slightly above average. I think Gibson could do better.

BTW, I'm an agnostic Christian, but unlike 90% of the comments I've read, I tried not to let my bias get in the way of my opinion..

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="FrozeN__54"]I never watched it. Why watch jesus get tortured? Doesn't sound like a very good movie to me.hoop_hard

Once again, he didnt sacrifice **** for us.

Whether or not that may be true (Seriously, it's just your opinion...it's as useful/worthless as everyone else's here), it's still about a moment in history. It's the same as if a film about the holocaust were made.

And we can't prove Jesus was crucified. We can't 100% prove anything. Most philosopher's agree that absolute truth is impossible to reach, so just watch the damn movie...

...and I must say it is a superb film...it is a film I am stunned with and willnot forget in a while.

I just couldnt stop watching it, it was so captivating.

wow, just wow, I dont know what to say...one of the best films I have ever seen.

props to Mel Gibson though, thats for sure.

Tell me your thoughts on the movie if you have seen it.

Soul_Killa_Dark

Well whether or not it's 'a moment in history' is debatable. We can call it a significant event in Christian beliefs regardless of whether or not it or the man known as Jesus lived.

The Passion of the Christ, though a dramatic movie, is perhaps the best romanticised version of the Jesus passion story. However, it still vilifies the Jews (I'm sure Mel had no problem with that) as some sort of enemy in Christianity and it over-emphasizes the suffering of Jesus.

What Jesus went through was hardly notable. Torquemada, the Hammer of Heretics, would have looked down on it at an amateur attempt to cause pain and suffering.

Well whether or not it's 'a moment in history' is debatable. We can call it a significant event in Christian beliefs regardless of whether or not it or the man known as Jesus lived.

The Passion of the Christ, though a dramatic movie, is perhaps the best romanticised version of the Jesus passion story. However, it still vilifies the Jews (I'm sure Mel had no problem with that) as some sort of enemy in Christianity and it over-emphasizes the suffering of Jesus.

What Jesus went through was hardly notable. Torquemada, the Hammer of Heretics, would have looked down on it at an amateur attempt to cause pain and suffering.

Atrus

Jesus is a real person, but the rest is up to faithjango7192

He was likely a real person. There is however, no evidence that proves his existence and the idea that it is a myth has actual weight for consideration.

Currently, there is no evidence for Jesus' existence and the details surrounding his existence are sketchy. When was he born? The bible has 2 different time periods, under the rule of Herod or during the time of Qurinius' census. Where was he born? No evidence was found of a 1st century Nazareth. Why are the Romans in the bible made to look like servants of the Jews? What crime did Jesus participate in? Roman executions were done so in violation of Roman laws, so for him to die requires more than 'offering love and peace', and Romans are subject to no other authority despite however much the bible, or Matthew in particular, wants to vilify Jews.

[QUOTE="jango7192"] Jesus is a real person, but the rest is up to faithAtrus

He was likely a real person. There is however, no evidence that proves his existence and the idea that it is a myth has actual weight for consideration.

Currently, there is no evidence for Jesus' existence and the details surrounding his existence are sketchy. When was he born? The bible has 2 different time periods, under the rule of Herod or during the time of Qurinius' census. Where was he born? No evidence was found of a 1st century Nazareth. Why are the Romans in the bible made to look like servants of the Jews? What crime did Jesus participate in? Roman executions were done so in violation of Roman laws, so for him to die requires more than 'offering love and peace', and Romans are subject to no other authority despite however much the bible, or Matthew in particular, wants to vilify Jews.