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#1 ChaoticThief
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I've been trying to get help for a while. There are just so many things that haunt my mind, like the question if homosexuals can be saved or what the unforgivable sin is. I need your help, guys. I need some serious help. Thanks.

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I've been trying to get help for a while. There are just so many things that haunt my mind, like the question if homosexuals can be saved or what the unforgivable sin is. I need your help, guys. I need some serious help. Thanks.

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Not to mention OT is a largly liberal place....

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#4 ChaoticThief
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[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"]

I've been trying to get help for a while. There are just so many things that haunt my mind, like the question if homosexuals can be saved or what the unforgivable sin is. I need your help, guys. I need some serious help. Thanks.

DroidPhysX

Not to mention OT is a largly liberal place....

No, man, I'm serious.

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#5 heysharpshooter
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Cuddle with them...

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#6 YellowOneKinobi
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From my understanding of Jesus, there really isn't an UNFORGIVABLE sin. It's the part about "go forward and sin no more." That is the hard part I would imagine.

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#7 th3warr1or
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From my understanding of Jesus, there really isn't an UNFORGIVABLE sin. It's the part about "go forward and sin no more." That is the hard part I would imagine.

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Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. Unforgivable.
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#8 Overlord93
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I came in here because I thought you needed help from Christian Bale.

And you might want to ask your question to a proper christian forum, this wont end well/

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#9 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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Cuddle with them...

heysharpshooter

That's such a load of BS! :lol:

If you get a straight man to hug a woman in a non-sexual way, would it turn them gay I strongly doubt it.

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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

From my understanding of Jesus, there really isn't an UNFORGIVABLE sin. It's the part about "go forward and sin no more." That is the hard part I would imagine.

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. Unforgivable.

I stand corrected. Matthew 12:32 "And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come," (All Scripture quotes are from the NASB).
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[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

From my understanding of Jesus, there really isn't an UNFORGIVABLE sin. It's the part about "go forward and sin no more." That is the hard part I would imagine.

th3warr1or

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. Unforgivable.

Holy ghost? you mean the holy spirit, right?

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

From my understanding of Jesus, there really isn't an UNFORGIVABLE sin. It's the part about "go forward and sin no more." That is the hard part I would imagine.

Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. Unforgivable.

Holy ghost? you mean the holy spirit, right?

For us Roman Catholics.......... I was speaking to one of our Parish's Deacons and in the new tranlation(?) that is coming out this Advent, we are going back to Holy Ghost.
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#13 Overlord93
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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Cuddle with them...

toast_burner
Thats such aload of BS! :lol: If you get a straight man to hug a woman in a non-sexual way, would it turn them gay I strongley doubt it.

althought its stupid, the concept is that people are gay because they never had a father figure
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Seems like a strange place to ask such questions. *chinstroke*
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can homosexuals be saved? yes if they stop being homosexuals. if not than bible prescribes death penalty to them.

Harisemo

It's not really possible for someone who is homosexual to stop being homosexual. The same goes for heterosexual people.

Also: I can feel the christian love

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#16 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"]

I've been trying to get help for a while. There are just so many things that haunt my mind, like the question if homosexuals can be saved or what the unforgivable sin is. I need your help, guys. I need some serious help. Thanks.

Not to mention OT is a largly liberal place....

what does political sway have to do with religion?
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#17 TINYOWNSYOU
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From what I can tell, there's actually two different way of looking at this.

1. You always going to be saved, no matter what, so long as you accept Him into your life and ask for his forgiveness whenever you sin.

So in short, you can do no wrong, just keep asking for forgiveness.

2. Unless you do exactly what the bible says, you're going to hell.

So I guess it all depends who you ask.

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#18 mindstorm
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The only type of person who cannot be saved and redeemed is one who does not seek after Christ regardless of sexuality. You mention that there are many things that haunt your mind. Chances are those questions are answered in Scripture itself. However, if you need help finding those Scripture references and other resources do not mind asking via forum or PM.
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#19 Ninja-Hippo
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My advice; there's probably no God, so stop worrying and enjoy your life.
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The only type of person who cannot be saved and redeemed is one who does not seek after Christ regardless of sexuality. mindstorm
LOVE ME OR GO TO HELL. Cool.
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#21 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]The only type of person who cannot be saved and redeemed is one who does not seek after Christ regardless of sexuality. Ninja-Hippo
LOVE ME OR GO TO HELL. Cool.

Not quite. If one seeks after that which is good then he shall receive good - God. If one seeks after anything other than that which is good then he shall receive exactly what he desires - the absence of God. By seeking after God, you get God.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]The only type of person who cannot be saved and redeemed is one who does not seek after Christ regardless of sexuality. mindstorm
LOVE ME OR GO TO HELL. Cool.

Not quite. If one seeks after that which is good then he shall receive good - God. If one seeks after anything other than that which is good then he shall receive exactly what he desires - the absence of God. By seeking after God, you get God.

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Yet if a man lives a good life of charitiy, exemplifing a Christ-like lifestyle, yet does not except Jesus into his life, he is destined for Hell, no?

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]The only type of person who cannot be saved and redeemed is one who does not seek after Christ regardless of sexuality. Ninja-Hippo
LOVE ME OR GO TO HELL. Cool.

Its funny how religion just wants all the power in this world and promises power to those who believe in the afterlife.

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]The only type of person who cannot be saved and redeemed is one who does not seek after Christ regardless of sexuality. mindstorm
LOVE ME OR GO TO HELL. Cool.

Not quite. If one seeks after that which is good then he shall receive good - God. If one seeks after anything other than that which is good then he shall receive exactly what he desires - the absence of God. By seeking after God, you get God.

I dont seek God. I dont seek Christ. hell for me, then. Sad face. :(
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Yet if a man lives a good life of charitiy, exemplifing a Christ-like lifestyle, yet does not except Jesus into his life, he is destined for Hell, no?

heysharpshooter

There is none who is good and Christ-like but Christ himself.

I dont seek God. I dont seek Christ. hell for me, then. Sad face. :(Ninja-Hippo
:( Which is greater, your desire to have God or not have God?

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#27 Ninja-Hippo
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I have literally zero desire to 'have God' whatsoever. Jesus, not interested. Buddha? Well that dude's cool because he doesn't come with as much crazy, but still nah. Allah? Nope. So yup, i'm destined for hell. Of course assuming hell exists. Which it doesn't. I mean really? :P
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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]Yet if a man lives a good life of charitiy, exemplifing a Christ-like lifestyle, yet does not except Jesus into his life, he is destined for Hell, no?mindstorm

There is none who is good and Christ-like but Christ himself.

Your grammer aside, there are none who are as good as Christ? By your definition then, none are eligible for the afterlife?

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#29 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]Yet if a man lives a good life of charitiy, exemplifing a Christ-like lifestyle, yet does not except Jesus into his life, he is destined for Hell, no?heysharpshooter

There is none who is good and Christ-like but Christ himself.

Your grammer aside, there are none who are as good as Christ? By your definition then, none are eligible for the afterlife?

Grammer? :P Only one who is as good as God himself is capable of being in the presence of God. As Romans 3:10-12 states, "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one." Because of our lack of righteousness the only way we can be found righteous is through our faith in Christ. The rest of Romans explains how and why that is the case.
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#30 Ninja-Hippo
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Prey to ye holy Joe Pesci and ye shall be saved with ye holy screwdriver of justice.

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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Yet if a man lives a good life of charitiy, exemplifing a Christ-like lifestyle, yet does not except Jesus into his life, he is destined for Hell, no?heysharpshooter

There is none who is good and Christ-like but Christ himself.

Your grammer aside, there are none who are as good as Christ? By your definition then, none are eligible for the afterlife?

I'm not exactly sure, but I THINK that we are called to emulate Christ to the best of our ability. That is, the default setting for mankind is sinner, so we are called to do our best to avoid sin, and to make choices that support others. I'm sure there are others that can explain it a heck of a lot better than me.
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] LOVE ME OR GO TO HELL. Cool. heysharpshooter

Not quite. If one seeks after that which is good then he shall receive good - God. If one seeks after anything other than that which is good then he shall receive exactly what he desires - the absence of God. By seeking after God, you get God.

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Yet if a man lives a good life of charitiy, exemplifing a Christ-like lifestyle, yet does not except Jesus into his life, he is destined for Hell, no?

Correct, you cannot go to Heaven without accepting Christ.
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#34 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

There is none who is good and Christ-like but Christ himself.

Your grammer aside, there are none who are as good as Christ? By your definition then, none are eligible for the afterlife?

I'm not exactly sure, but I THINK that we are called to emulate Christ to the best of our ability. That is, the default setting for mankind is sinner, so we are called to do our best to avoid sin, and to make choices that support others. I'm sure there are others that can explain it a heck of a lot better than me.

That's mostly behavior modification and not the Gospel message itself. Yes we are to seek to emulate Christ to the best of our ability but that has nothing to do with our coming to salvation. Only by faith are we saved but in our love of Christ we seek after his good pleasure.
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[QUOTE="lowkey254"] Correct, you cannot go to Heaven without accepting Christ.

Much like a terrorist demands one million dollars in unmarked bills or the security guard gets it.
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People that take every passage of the Bible literally make me die a little inside.

Being gay isn't a choice. I don't know a single gay person that would prefer to be gay Nor do I know a single homosexual that has been "saved" from being gay They may become celibate, but they're still homosexual.

The "sin" isn't with being homosexual, it's with having premarital intercourse.

Edit: Gamespot makes my periods disappear, I'm trying to be grammatically correct, I swear!

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#37 heysharpshooter
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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] Not quite. If one seeks after that which is good then he shall receive good - God. If one seeks after anything other than that which is good then he shall receive exactly what he desires - the absence of God. By seeking after God, you get God.lowkey254

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Yet if a man lives a good life of charitiy, exemplifing a Christ-like lifestyle, yet does not except Jesus into his life, he is destined for Hell, no?

Correct, you cannot go to Heaven without accepting Christ.

So every other religion is bound for Hell? Even the Jews, who worshiped the same God as you hundreds of years before Christ was born? And Muslims, who worship the same God you do and accept Jesus as a prophet but consider Mohammed more important?

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[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Your grammer aside, there are none who are as good as Christ? By your definition then, none are eligible for the afterlife?

mindstorm

I'm not exactly sure, but I THINK that we are called to emulate Christ to the best of our ability. That is, the default setting for mankind is sinner, so we are called to do our best to avoid sin, and to make choices that support others. I'm sure there are others that can explain it a heck of a lot better than me.

That's mostly behavior modification and not the Gospel message itself. Yes we are to seek to emulate Christ to the best of our ability but that has nothing to do with our coming to salvation. Only by faith are we saved but in our love of Christ we seek after his good pleasure.

I'm not sure I fully understand "Only by faith are we saved but in our love of Christ we seek after his good pleasure."

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#39 mindstorm
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People that take every passage of the Bible literally make me die a little inside.

Being gay isn't a choice. I don't know a single gay person that would prefer to be gay Nor do I know a single homosexual that can be "saved" from being gay They may become celibate, but they're still homosexual.

The "sin" isn't with being homosexual, it's with having premarital intercourse.

Enid_Green
I agree that homosexuality is not simply a choice. However, I do not simple choose that I will be a sinner or sinless. All of us are by nature sinful and imperfect regardless of our sexuality.
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#40 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] I'm not exactly sure, but I THINK that we are called to emulate Christ to the best of our ability. That is, the default setting for mankind is sinner, so we are called to do our best to avoid sin, and to make choices that support others. I'm sure there are others that can explain it a heck of a lot better than me.YellowOneKinobi

That's mostly behavior modification and not the Gospel message itself. Yes we are to seek to emulate Christ to the best of our ability but that has nothing to do with our coming to salvation. Only by faith are we saved but in our love of Christ we seek after his good pleasure.

I'm not sure I fully understand "Only by faith are we saved but in our love of Christ we seek after his good pleasure."

Ephesians 2:8-10 explains it this way, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."
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[QUOTE="lowkey254"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]/

Yet if a man lives a good life of charitiy, exemplifing a Christ-like lifestyle, yet does not except Jesus into his life, he is destined for Hell, no?

heysharpshooter

Correct, you cannot go to Heaven without accepting Christ.

So every other religion is bound for Hell? Even the Jews, who worshiped the same God as you hundreds of years before Christ was born? And Muslims, who worship the same God you do and accept Jesus as a prophet but consider Mohammed more important?

Yup.

Don't even get him started on religions that have nothing to do with Christ.

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[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

People that take every passage of the Bible literally make me die a little inside.

Being gay isn't a choice. I don't know a single gay person that would prefer to be gay Nor do I know a single homosexual that can be "saved" from being gay They may become celibate, but they're still homosexual.

The "sin" isn't with being homosexual, it's with having premarital intercourse.

mindstorm
I agree that homosexuality is not simply a choice. However, I do not simple choose that I will be a sinner or sinless. All of us are by nature sinful and imperfect regardless of our sexuality.

You choose to sin. Nothing forces you to lie cheat and steal, you did it all by yourself. But you have absolutely no control over sexuality.
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#43 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

People that take every passage of the Bible literally make me die a little inside.

Being gay isn't a choice. I don't know a single gay person that would prefer to be gay Nor do I know a single homosexual that can be "saved" from being gay They may become celibate, but they're still homosexual.

The "sin" isn't with being homosexual, it's with having premarital intercourse.

toast_burner
I agree that homosexuality is not simply a choice. However, I do not simple choose that I will be a sinner or sinless. All of us are by nature sinful and imperfect regardless of our sexuality.

You choose to sin. Nothing forces you to lie cheat and steal, you did it all by yourself. But you have absolutely no control over sexuality.

If being a sinner is merely a choice then go a day without living in sin. I certainly know I am incapable of such a thing at least.
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What about tribes living in the jungles of the world? I guess they'll all just burn in hell too? God's not very fair.
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#45 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"] If being a sinner is merely a choice then go a day without living in sin. I certainly know I am incapable of such a thing at least.

I haven't committed any 'sins' today. I got up. I went to a couple lectures, worked out for two hours, made myself a chicken sandwich and now i'm typing up an assignment and browsing the internet. +0 sins for me. TAKE THAT, SATAN!
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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="lowkey254"] Correct, you cannot go to Heaven without accepting Christ.TINYOWNSYOU

So every other religion is bound for Hell? Even the Jews, who worshiped the same God as you hundreds of years before Christ was born? And Muslims, who worship the same God you do and accept Jesus as a prophet but consider Mohammed more important?

Yup.

Don't even get him started on religions that have nothing to do with Christ.

Yeah...

BTW, I know the anwsers to the questions I asked already... I just wanted to seem him actually post it... he ignored me...

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#47 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What about tribes living in the jungles of the world? I guess they'll all just burn in hell too? God's not very fair.

If God was fair we'd all burn because that is exactly what justice would dictate. It is by his grace and mercy that any single person can find salvation. Also, this reality you speak of should break the heart of every Christian. It is because of this reality that we do evangelism in the first place. This reality is why I have friends studying to become missionaries and I myself am studying to become a pastor.
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From my understanding of Jesus, there really isn't an UNFORGIVABLE sin. It's the part about "go forward and sin no more." That is the hard part I would imagine.

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Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. Unforgivable.

Only problem with this is blasphemy is so non-descript so bendable that it usually is defined by the party that rules instead of anything coming close to a true meaning.

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What about tribes living in the jungles of the world? I guess they'll all just burn in hell too? God's not very fair. Ninja-Hippo
I think Fulton Sheen wrote about this in one of his books in the section titled Divine Invasion. He basically states that if there is a person that lives a good, decent life, but has not taken part in the Eucharist, but likely would if it were available to them, that person would not be excluded from heaven.
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What about tribes living in the jungles of the world? I guess they'll all just burn in hell too? God's not very fair.

If God was fair we'd all burn because that is exactly what justice would dictate. It is by his grace and mercy that any single person can find salvation. Also, this reality you speak of should break the heart of every Christian. It is because of this reality that we do evangelism in the first place. This reality is why I have friends studying to become missionaries and I myself am studying to become a pastor.

So you just accept that there are thousands and thousands of people who have done nothing wrong but don't know anything about Christianity who will BURN FOR ALL ETERNITY IN HELL for it? Yet you worship this God and commit your life to him, as opposed to putting your energies into finding alternative fuels or curing cancer of helping the poor? Religion. *rage*