I Need Help From Christian Believers

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

A discussion with other people. I think it's a little naive to stereotype every religion as being angry and fanatical and destructive. Some people just need prayer for strength.

Enid_Green

If a man loses his wife of 30 years to cancer and prayer helps him keep going, I fail to see how that is wrong?

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Let's say I create a game. The object of this game is to move a heavy iron ball from a starting point to a goal 100 yeards away. The rules are that you cannot pick the ball up, you cannot touch it with your hands or your feet, nor push it with any part of you body. If you get the ball from the starting point to the goal I'll give you unimagineable wealth. If you fail then I'm going to torture you, however, if you bow to me and tell me how great I am I'll give you a free pass on the ball.

What would your response to me be?

YellowOneKinobi

Wealth was simply a device to further the point, a McGuffin, if you will. Replace "wealth" with anything you wish if it suits you better.

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] I didn't say religion is angry or fanatical or destructive at all. In fact in many ways it's harmless, but that doesn't make it right. Urging people to pray is wrong.

Ninja-Hippo

If a man loses his wife of 30 years to cancer and prayer helps him keep going, I fail to see how that is wrong?

Why would "seeking friends" be excluded to prayer? And who's urging?

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] I didn't say religion is angry or fanatical or destructive at all. In fact in many ways it's harmless, but that doesn't make it right. Urging people to pray is wrong.

toast_burner

If a man loses his wife of 30 years to cancer and prayer helps him keep going, I fail to see how that is wrong?

I won't assume your own life experiences, but people tend to question "the meaning of life" after burying their best friend.

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] I didn't say religion is angry or fanatical or destructive at all. In fact in many ways it's harmless, but that doesn't make it right. Urging people to pray is wrong.

Ninja-Hippo

If a man loses his wife of 30 years to cancer and prayer helps him keep going, I fail to see how that is wrong?

How is urging prayer "lying"? Maybe since you don't believe in it it would be a lie for you to urge it, but if someone sincerely believes in it and urges it, they are not "lying".

How is urging prayer "lying"? Maybe since you don't believe in it it would be a lie for you to urge it, but if someone sincerely believes in it and urges it, they are not "lying".

whipassmt

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

If a man loses his wife of 30 years to cancer and prayer helps him keep going, I fail to see how that is wrong?

Enid_Green

I won't assume your own life experiences, but people tend to question "the meaning of life" after burying their best friend.

Life has no meaning, just enjoy the ride.

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

Why would "seeking friends" be excluded to prayer? And who's urging?

Ninja-Hippo

And my original post which you quoted said urging others to pray is wrong. :| And it is.

That doesn't make any sense. How does spending 10 minutes of alone time thinking about the afterlife even closely equate to avoiding other people and not coming to terms with loss?

And you still haven't really answered the question. If a man wants to have a 10 minute conversation with god because he is troubled, who exactly is "urging" him to do so?

There is actually a definitive answer to your question.

The most consistent argument in the Bible, and its consistency should be stressed as nothing else is in the Bible, is that homosexual ACTS are wrong.

That is not to say, however, that homosexuals are moral disorders in themselves. There is a big difference here. A homosexual man, according to Catholic teaching, and the Bible can commit a homosexual act, and still be saved. The Catholic Church holds that it is the homosexual acts that are wrong, because they are unnatural and contrary to the order of God, but not that homosexuals are evil etc etc.

In other words, a homosexual person who doesn't have sex with a partner (contrary to presumptious belief there are quite a few, mostly old folk) can go to heaven. Those that do can still seek forgiveness and can just as likely be saved.

I'm not a Christian. I'm currently studying Theology.

[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"]

I've been trying to get help for a while. There are just so many things that haunt my mind, like the question if homosexuals can be saved or what the unforgivable sin is. I need your help, guys. I need some serious help. Thanks.

DroidPhysX

Not to mention OT is a largly liberal place....

I swear people need to stop putting liberals in the athiest camp and conservatives in the Christian camp. The political party you favor reflects nothing of the sort.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

How is urging prayer "lying"? Maybe since you don't believe in it it would be a lie for you to urge it, but if someone sincerely believes in it and urges it, they are not "lying".

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]The only type of person who cannot be saved and redeemed is one who does not seek after Christ regardless of sexuality. Ninja-Hippo

The hate of religion is strong within this thread...

The hate of religion is strong within this thread...

Gibsonsg527

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

Why would "seeking friends" be excluded to prayer? And who's urging?

Enid_Green

And my original post which you quoted said urging others to pray is wrong. :| And it is.

That doesn't make any sense. How does spending 10 minutes of alone time thinking about the afterlife even closely equate to avoiding other people and not coming to terms with loss?

And you still haven't really answered the question. If a man wants to have a 10 minute conversation with god because he is troubled, who exactly is "urging" him to do so?

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

The hate of religion is strong within this thread...

toast_burner

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

The hate of religion is strong within this thread...

toast_burner

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

The hate of religion is strong within this thread...

toast_burner

God says that it's bad. If they know so, but do not change their ways, they will not be saved.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

The hate of religion is strong within this thread...

Gibsonsg527

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]There's not exactly much to like about religion. Its a business that feed people lies and false hope in order to make money.

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

The hate of religion is strong within this thread...

Gibsonsg527

And as such, should have been posted in a Christian forum somewhere.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

The hate of religion is strong within this thread...

Gibsonsg527

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]There's not exactly much to like about religion. Its a business that feed people lies and false hope in order to make money.

Ninja-Hippo

Honestly why they should even care what you think? Or rather why do you even care?

alexside1

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]There's not exactly much to like about religion. Its a business that feed people lies and false hope in order to make money.

raynimrod

And as such, should have been posted in a Christian forum somewhere.

Why would you do that? Their not harming you or anyone else. .

Gibsonsg527

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

Honestly why they should even care what you think? Or rather why do you even care?

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

Why would you do that? Their not harming you or anyone else. .

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"]

I've been trying to get help for a while. There are just so many things that haunt my mind, like the question if homosexuals can be saved or what the unforgivable sin is. I need your help, guys. I need some serious help. Thanks.

Serraph105

Not to mention OT is a largly liberal place....

I swear people need to stop putting liberals in the athiest camp and conservatives in the Christian camp. The political party you favor reflects nothing of the sort.

Indeed. I've met plenty of devout Christians who are quite liberal (more liberal than I am in some cases), and plenty of conservatives who are athiests.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Let's say I create a game. The object of this game is to move a heavy iron ball from a starting point to a goal 100 yeards away. The rules are that you cannot pick the ball up, you cannot touch it with your hands or your feet, nor push it with any part of you body. If you get the ball from the starting point to the goal I'll give you unimagineable wealth. If you fail then I'm going to torture you, however, if you bow to me and tell me how great I am I'll give you a free pass on the ball.

What would your response to me be?

InEMplease

I'd push it with a stick or something. And now, I can afford a grand piano. :P

Crap, you got me.

*que 'Price Is Right' fail horn*

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Not to mention OT is a largly liberal place....

worlock77

I swear people need to stop putting liberals in the athiest camp and conservatives in the Christian camp. The political party you favor reflects nothing of the sort.

Indeed. I've met plenty of devout Christians who are quite liberal (more liberal than I am in some cases), and plenty of conservatives who are athiests.

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

Why would you do that? Their not harming you or anyone else. .

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I swear people need to stop putting liberals in the athiest camp and conservatives in the Christian camp. The political party you favor reflects nothing of the sort.

DroidPhysX

Indeed. I've met plenty of devout Christians who are quite liberal (more liberal than I am in some cases), and plenty of conservatives who are athiests.

Specifically no, but it is a political inclination.

Correct me if Im wrong but are you saying that people who go around preaching their religion is harming you? I think that is very annoying too but they are not harming you in anyway. Just shut the door on them or say no. It is your choice to accept it or not.

Gibsonsg527

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

Correct me if Im wrong but are you saying that people who go around preaching their religion is harming you? I think that is very annoying too but they are not harming you in anyway. Just shut the door on them or say no. It is your choice to accept it or not.

Ninja-Hippo

The magical part was satire, it doesn't control people or have any powers. Who are you to tell them that they're "wasting their time" or "wasting away their lives in service of god that they believe in", or "your being deluded" as if there where evidence that contracts their beliefs of a god? alexside1

And religion most certainly does have control over people. Take one look at the video released from the Islamists vowing to attack Russia every month in the name of Allah until it declares itself a nation of Islam.

EDIT: you saw fit to 'say it again' having given me less than a minute to reply? :P

[QUOTE="alexside1"] The magical part was satire, it doesn't control people or have any powers. Who are you to tell them that they're "wasting their time" or "wasting away their lives in service of god that they believe in", or "your being deluded" as if there where evidence that contracts their beliefs of a god? Ninja-Hippo

And religion most certainly does have control over people. Take one look at the video released from the Islamists vowing to attack Russia every month in the name of Allah until it declares itself a nation of Islam.

EDIT: you saw fit to 'say it again' having given me less than a minute to reply? :P

And? It dosen't make you better than they are. If that were the case.

No it doesn't, that is simply the result of the people decision. If that were true than we should see a LOT more vilolance, and anti-science if that were the case.

[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

Correct me if Im wrong but are you saying that people who go around preaching their religion is harming you? I think that is very annoying too but they are not harming you in anyway. Just shut the door on them or say no. It is your choice to accept it or not.

Ninja-Hippo

Correct me if Im wrong but are you saying that people who go around preaching their religion is harming you? I think that is very annoying too but they are not harming you in anyway. Just shut the door on them or say no. It is your choice to accept it or not.

Gibsonsg527

I'd say people can and DO harm others in some cases from preaching ridiculous things; I give you Peter Popoff. Just a taste of his BS.