I Need Help From Christian Believers

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] If being a sinner is merely a choice then go a day without living in sin. I certainly know I am incapable of such a thing at least.Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What about tribes living in the jungles of the world? I guess they'll all just burn in hell too? God's not very fair. mindstorm

.. No god is not just because just is a human term and idea.. And by our standards that is not just... God has his/her/own form of justice that is completely alien to our society.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What about tribes living in the jungles of the world? I guess they'll all just burn in hell too? God's not very fair. YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What about tribes living in the jungles of the world? I guess they'll all just burn in hell too? God's not very fair. mindstorm

Just curious...

man is guilty of Original Sin, and thats why we all deserve Hell...

My question: what Sins did we commit?

Also, before Christ was born, what happened to all those people who died before Chrisitanity existed... did they all go to Hell by default?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] If being a sinner is merely a choice then go a day without living in sin. I certainly know I am incapable of such a thing at least.NVIDIATI

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What about tribes living in the jungles of the world? I guess they'll all just burn in hell too? God's not very fair. heysharpshooter

Just curious...

man is guilty of Original Sin, and thats why we all deserve Hell...

My question: what Sins did we commit?

Also, before Christ was born, what happened to all those people who dies before Chrisitanity existed... did they all go to Hell be default?

Hence why its illogical to claim that god is justice incarnate. Justice is a meaningless term that is based around the society.. Justice can mean two different things between two different societies depending on a crime or what not.. Hence why we can't claim that god is just.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What about tribes living in the jungles of the world? I guess they'll all just burn in hell too? God's not very fair. mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What about tribes living in the jungles of the world? I guess they'll all just burn in hell too? God's not very fair. Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What about tribes living in the jungles of the world? I guess they'll all just burn in hell too? God's not very fair. toast_burner

[QUOTE="TINYOWNSYOU"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

So every other religion is bound for Hell? Even the Jews, who worshiped the same God as you hundreds of years before Christ was born? And Muslims, who worship the same God you do and accept Jesus as a prophet but consider Mohammed more important?

heysharpshooter

Yup.

Don't even get him started on religions that have nothing to do with Christ.

Yeah...

BTW, I know the anwsers to the questions I asked already... I just wanted to seem him actually post it... he ignored me...

He may eventually, but he'll probably just try to dance around the question.

If heaven were filled only with people that DESERVED to be there, it would be completely empty.

If heaven were filled only with people that DESERVED to be there, it would be completely empty.

YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] I can't imagine what leads you to believe that someone who worships would not also pursue cures for diseases, alternative fuels, etc.Ninja-Hippo

If heaven were filled only with people that DESERVED to be there, it would be completely empty.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] So you just accept that there are thousands and thousands of people who have done nothing wrong but don't know anything about Christianity who will BURN FOR ALL ETERNITY IN HELL for it? Yet you worship this God and commit your life to him, as opposed to putting your energies into finding alternative fuels or curing cancer of helping the poor? Religion. *rage* mindstorm

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] I can't imagine what leads you to believe that someone who worships would not also pursue cures for diseases, alternative fuels, etc.YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] So you just accept that there are thousands and thousands of people who have done nothing wrong but don't know anything about Christianity who will BURN FOR ALL ETERNITY IN HELL for it? Yet you worship this God and commit your life to him, as opposed to putting your energies into finding alternative fuels or curing cancer of helping the poor? Religion. *rage* NVIDIATI

I've been trying to get help for a while. There are just so many things that haunt my mind, like the question if homosexuals can be saved or what the unforgivable sin is. I need your help, guys. I need some serious help. Thanks.

ChaoticThief

And yes homosexuals are not automatically disqualified from Heaven, though that doesn't mean you should look the other way or encourage it in people you know.

There is a saying in such cases that says stop worrying and start praying.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] As I stated earlier, there is none who has "done nothing wrong." Also, why would you think I do not seek to help the poor? If it means anything while in college for about 3 years I'd spend every Thursday night hanging out with homeless people until late at night. Some I even consider to be close friends...mindstorm

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] As I stated earlier, there is none who has "done nothing wrong." Also, why would you think I do not seek to help the poor? If it means anything while in college for about 3 years I'd spend every Thursday night hanging out with homeless people until late at night. Some I even consider to be close friends...mindstorm

I don't see why so many people think there is a false dichotomy between helping people in this life and helping prepare them for the next one.

Or between corporal and spiritual works of mercy for that matter.

I don't see why so many people think there is a false dichotomy between helping people in this life and helping prepare them for the next one.

Or between corporal and spiritual works of mercy for that matter.

whipassmt

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

I don't see why so many people think there is a false dichotomy between helping people in this life and helping prepare them for the next one.

Or between corporal and spiritual works of mercy for that matter.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

I don't see why so many people think there is a false dichotomy between helping people in this life and helping prepare them for the next one.

Or between corporal and spiritual works of mercy for that matter.

Ninja-Hippo

I can't agree with this. Religion is dangerous when used negatively, but it's kept a lot of people afloat, too.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

I don't see why so many people think there is a false dichotomy between helping people in this life and helping prepare them for the next one.

Or between corporal and spiritual works of mercy for that matter.

I can't agree with this. Religion is dangerous when used negatively, but it's kept a lot of people afloat, too.

Enid_Green

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

I can't agree with this. Religion is dangerous when used negatively, but it's kept a lot of people afloat, too.

Ninja-Hippo

Like what?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

I can't agree with this. Religion is dangerous when used negatively, but it's kept a lot of people afloat, too.

Enid_Green

Like what?

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Religion makes an awful lot of people very happy, but that doesn't excuse what it is. There are better means of 'keeping people afloat' then lying to them about mythical beings.

Ninja-Hippo

Like what?

This isn't really an accurate metaphor for everyone who practices religion. Every sane religious person I know would 100% tell an alcoholic to go to a professional rehabilitation clinic. Every good priest I know would do the same.

And I fail to see the problem with attending a spiritual discussion group once a week?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

Like what?

This isn't really an accurate metaphor for everyone who practices religion. Every sane religious person I know would 100% tell an alcoholic to go to a professional rehabilitation clinic. Every good priest I know would do the same.

And I fail to see the problem with attending a spiritual discussion group once a week?

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

I don't see why so many people think there is a false dichotomy between helping people in this life and helping prepare them for the next one.

Or between corporal and spiritual works of mercy for that matter.

Ninja-Hippo

Let's say I create a game. The object of this game is to move a heavy iron ball from a starting point to a goal 100 yeards away. The rules are that you cannot pick the ball up, you cannot touch it with your hands or your feet, nor push it with any part of you body. If you get the ball from the starting point to the goal I'll give you unimagineable wealth. If you fail then I'm going to torture you, however, if you bow to me and tell me how great I am I'll give you a free pass on the ball.

What would your response to me be?

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] It's really very simple; if there is no afterlife (and there isn't), then it's a complete waste of life to devote your time 'preparing' people for something which doesn't exist, rather than helping them improve their actual life they have now.

Ninja-Hippo

Alcoholics Anonymous doesn't try to evangelize people. It isa non-Sectarian group, though it does mention a "Higher Power".

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

Like what?

Enid_Green

This isn't really an accurate metaphor for everyone who practices religion. Every sane religious person I know would 100% tell an alcoholic to go to a professional rehabilitation clinic. Every good priest I know would do the same.

And I fail to see the problem with attending a spiritual discussion group once a week?

Let's say I create a game. The object of this game is to move a heavy iron ball from a starting point to a goal 100 yeards away. The rules are that you cannot pick the ball up, you cannot touch it with your hands or your feet, nor push it with any part of you body. If you get the ball from the starting point to the goal I'll give you unimagineable wealth. If you fail then I'm going to torture you, however, if you bow to me and tell me how great I am I'll give you a free pass on the ball.

What would your response to me be?

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] You're an alcoholic. We can put you on a detox program and have you attend group work-out sessions to assist you with your mental discipline, fitness and self esteems. We can talk about your problems and give you counseling to get to the root causes of your addiction and, together, help you overcome it and put it behind you so you can move on with your life. Alternatively, we can tell you that you need to attend a church session once a week where we can talk things through, say prayers and pretend that all of this happened because you didn't surrender yourself to an invisible man in the sky.NVIDIATI

This isn't really an accurate metaphor for everyone who practices religion. Every sane religious person I know would 100% tell an alcoholic to go to a professional rehabilitation clinic. Every good priest I know would do the same.

And I fail to see the problem with attending a spiritual discussion group once a week?

A discussion with other people. I think it's a little naive to stereotype every religion as being angry and fanatical and destructive. Some people just need prayer for strength.

Let's say I create a game. The object of this game is to move a heavy iron ball from a starting point to a goal 100 yeards away. The rules are that you cannot pick the ball up, you cannot touch it with your hands or your feet, nor push it with any part of you body. If you get the ball from the starting point to the goal I'll give you unimagineable wealth. If you fail then I'm going to torture you, however, if you bow to me and tell me how great I am I'll give you a free pass on the ball.

What would your response to me be?

worlock77

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Let's say I create a game. The object of this game is to move a heavy iron ball from a starting point to a goal 100 yeards away. The rules are that you cannot pick the ball up, you cannot touch it with your hands or your feet, nor push it with any part of you body. If you get the ball from the starting point to the goal I'll give you unimagineable wealth. If you fail then I'm going to torture you, however, if you bow to me and tell me how great I am I'll give you a free pass on the ball.

What would your response to me be?

YellowOneKinobi

It's a perfect metaphor. There are all these rules that we're suppose to follow, yet the rules are designed in such a manner as to be impossible to follow.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Let's say I create a game. The object of this game is to move a heavy iron ball from a starting point to a goal 100 yeards away. The rules are that you cannot pick the ball up, you cannot touch it with your hands or your feet, nor push it with any part of you body. If you get the ball from the starting point to the goal I'll give you unimagineable wealth. If you fail then I'm going to torture you, however, if you bow to me and tell me how great I am I'll give you a free pass on the ball.

What would your response to me be?

It's a perfect metaphor. There are all these rules that we're suppose to follow, yet the rules are designed in such a manner as to be impossible to follow.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Let's say I create a game. The object of this game is to move a heavy iron ball from a starting point to a goal 100 yeards away. The rules are that you cannot pick the ball up, you cannot touch it with your hands or your feet, nor push it with any part of you body. If you get the ball from the starting point to the goal I'll give you unimagineable wealth. If you fail then I'm going to torture you, however, if you bow to me and tell me how great I am I'll give you a free pass on the ball.

What would your response to me be?

You don't know that there is no afterlife, you are assuming that and you know what happens when you assume.

whipassmt

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Let's say I create a game. The object of this game is to move a heavy iron ball from a starting point to a goal 100 yeards away. The rules are that you cannot pick the ball up, you cannot touch it with your hands or your feet, nor push it with any part of you body. If you get the ball from the starting point to the goal I'll give you unimagineable wealth. If you fail then I'm going to torture you, however, if you bow to me and tell me how great I am I'll give you a free pass on the ball.

What would your response to me be?

YellowOneKinobi

A discussion with other people. I think it's a little naive to stereotype every religion as being angry and fanatical and destructive. Some people just need prayer for strength.

Enid_Green

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

A discussion with other people. I think it's a little naive to stereotype every religion as being angry and fanatical and destructive. Some people just need prayer for strength.

Ninja-Hippo

If a man loses his wife of 30 years to cancer and prayer helps him keep going, I fail to see how that is wrong?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

[QUOTE="Enid_Green"]

A discussion with other people. I think it's a little naive to stereotype every religion as being angry and fanatical and destructive. Some people just need prayer for strength.

Enid_Green

If a man loses his wife of 30 years to cancer and prayer helps him keep going, I fail to see how that is wrong?