I refuse to worship such a violent god.

I been doing some Bible reading these past days and have stumble upon some very dark things. Some are just disturbing.

The following are people that God himself orders to kill.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 )

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

OK, so some of these are things you shouldn't do because well its "wrong" I get that, but what God is this that kills for such little things though? Why embrace into a religion full of blood and with sons sleeping with their mothers, brothers killing each other for absolutely nothing, and a god that orders thousands to go into war and burn and destroy everything in their paths.

Yes, and all the good things done are moot.:roll:

Also, some of those are out of context.

Yes, and all the good things done are moot.:roll:

Also, some of those are out of context.

Silver_Dragon17

Their taken from different translations of the Bible. They still all say the same thing in any version.

Yes, and all the good things done are moot.:roll:

Also, some of those are out of context.

Silver_Dragon17

I was hoping for people to explain to me why they see this as good things to believe in.Theempire30

Because they don't believe in them. . .like I said, some are out of context (such as the one about Egyptian children) and the ones that are not are in ignorance of everything else the Bible says, basically meaning that they are out of context.

You will never see a Church preaching to kill others, and most do not follow the Bibile word for word.

But ok, you don't need to worship Him. No one said you have too.

The middle ages were generally a very violent period.EboyLOL

To be honest...what age hasn't been?

Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Aquat1cF1sh

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]The middle ages were generally a very violent period.LJS9502_basic

To be honest...what age hasn't been?

I know that! its ummm... never mind...

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Yes, and all the good things done are moot.:roll:

Also, some of those are out of context.

Theempire30

Their taken from different translations of the Bible. They still all say the same thing in any version.

That has nothing to do with whether or not they are out of context.:|

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Theempire30

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

I dunno, sounds to me like someone was pressuring you. :? With your "I refuse!" title and all.

Christianity is also a very good thing, and it helps so many people like you wouldn't believe. I personally am not into it at all but it's good for a lot of people who want to change their life and aren't happy with it at the moment.

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Theempire30

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]The middle ages were generally a very violent period.LJS9502_basic

To be honest...what age hasn't been?

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]The middle ages were generally a very violent period.LJS9502_basic

To be honest...what age hasn't been?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]The middle ages were generally a very violent period.limpbizkit818

To be honest...what age hasn't been?

we must usher in a new stone age *destroys computer and builds one out of stone*

[QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Silver_Dragon17

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

Its called Revelation...the whole thing's a blood bath.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Theempire30

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

Its called Revelation...the whole thing's a blood bath.

thats a paraphrase of course....

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Theempire30

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

Its called Revelation...the whole thing's a blood bath.

A blood bath caused by Satan, the Antichrist, and humans who behead Christians, NOT God. The Bad guys.

[QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Silver_Dragon17

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

Its called Revelation...the whole thing's a blood bath.

A blood bath caused by Satan, the Antichrist, and humans who behead Christians, NOT God. The Bad guys.

Satan was created by God...Therefore God is still responsible, if he knows it all and is perfect as He claims to be then He would of seen a rebellion of angels coming.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Theempire30

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

Its called Revelation...the whole thing's a blood bath.

A blood bath caused by Satan, the Antichrist, and humans who behead Christians, NOT God. The Bad guys.

Satan was created by God...Therefore God is still responsible, if he knows it all and is perfect as He claims to be then He would of seen a rebellion of angels coming.

Or, perhaps He didn't. Another, much more likely scenario is that it was worth it. But it is not God's fault for all the bad in the world. And again, what about the good? I suppose that's just humanity rebelling against the "evil" meanie-God, 'mIright?:roll:

[QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Okay then, who's been pressuring you TO believe in God? :|Silver_Dragon17

I dint say anyone was pressuring me, I'm making a point of how violent Christianity is...

Christianity is not violent at all. . .care to give a verse from the NEW Testament? Because the Old Testament pertains to Judaism, not Christianity.;)

Its called Revelation...the whole thing's a blood bath.

A blood bath caused by Satan, the Antichrist, and humans who behead Christians, NOT God. The Bad guys.

Satan was created by God...Therefore God is still responsible, if he knows it all and is perfect as He claims to be then He would of seen a rebellion of angels coming.

Or, perhaps He didn't. Another, much more likely scenario is that it was worth it. But it is not God's fault for all the bad in the world. And again, what about the good? I suppose that's just humanity rebelling against the "evil" meanie-God, 'mIright?:roll:

If he did create it all, then he is to blame. If he dint create Satan then Satan has always been, making him also God...

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If he did create it all, then he is to blame. If he dint create Satan then Satan has always been, making him also God...

Theempire30

Did it ever cross your mind that Satan is NOT the cause of all the bad in the world?

[QUOTE="Theempire30"][

If he did create it all, then he is to blame. If he dint create Satan then Satan has always been, making him also God...

Silver_Dragon17

Did it ever cross your mind that Satan is NOT the cause of all the bad in the world?

Thats been my point in this whole conversation...

[QUOTE="Theempire30"]

, if he knows it all and is perfect as He claims to be then He would of seen a rebellion of angels coming.

Silver_Dragon17

Or, perhaps He didn't.

I smell a contradiction of omniscience/omnipotence, amirite?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"][

If he did create it all, then he is to blame. If he dint create Satan then Satan has always been, making him also God...

Theempire30

Did it ever cross your mind that Satan is NOT the cause of all the bad in the world?

Thats been my point in this whole conversation...

No, your point was that God causes the world's problems by creating Satan. . .which is not true. Satan, technically, never does a thing. It's all on the people. People who do it out of free will. As in, God's not responsible.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

, if he knows it all and is perfect as He claims to be then He would of seen a rebellion of angels coming.

TongHua

Or, perhaps He didn't.

I smell a contradiction of omniscience/omnipotence, amirite?

Think about this: An omniscient/omnipotent God can do whatever He wants. That would mean He could also limit His own Omniscience/omnipotence. God already does this when He forgives sin; He literally makes Himself forget it. So why would this be a contradiction? Maybe He would do it for absolute free will to exist, hmm?

The new testament has many violent threats in it.

It also has Jesus apparently condoning violent episodes from the old testament too.

Violence is used as a tool to enforce faith through fear in most theist religions.

It helps "believers" avert the realities of existence and ignore the random and unfair suffering in the world.

Think about this: An omniscient/omnipotent God can do whatever He wants. That would mean He could also limit His own Omniscience/omnipotence. God already does this when He forgives sin; He literally makes Himself forget it. So why would this be a contradiction? Maybe He would do it for absolute free will to exist, hmm?

Silver_Dragon17

What is the point of belief in a god that has no power? Why pray if god doesn't listen?

The new testament has many violent threats in it.

It also has Jesus apparently condoning violent episodes from the old testament too.

Violence is used as a tool to enforce faith through fear in most theist religions.

It helps "believers" avert the realities of existence and ignore the random and unfair suffering in the world.

diz360

Straight from the article: Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery.

That verse is metaphorical, as was many of the other teachings of His. Do not commit adultery; That was the message. And that isn't the only verse your link takes WAY out of context.

[QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"][

If he did create it all, then he is to blame. If he dint create Satan then Satan has always been, making him also God...

Silver_Dragon17

Did it ever cross your mind that Satan is NOT the cause of all the bad in the world?

Thats been my point in this whole conversation...

No, your point was that God causes the world's problems by creating Satan. . .which is not true. Satan, technically, never does a thing. It's all on the people. People who do it out of free will. As in, God's not responsible.

Then who created free will? Has it always been? Did God randomly decided to make himself out of nothing? What came first Free will or God?

Seems pointless and a waste of time to create a race that is always doubting him, and when they do he punish them. I just don't see the point in going threw all that trouble and prove nothing.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Think about this: An omniscient/omnipotent God can do whatever He wants. That would mean He could also limit His own Omniscience/omnipotence. God already does this when He forgives sin; He literally makes Himself forget it. So why would this be a contradiction? Maybe He would do it for absolute free will to exist, hmm?

diz360

What is the point of belief in a god that has no power? Why pray if god doesn't listen?

I'm not saying God has no power, nor am I saying He doesn't listen.:|

You will never see a Church preaching to kill others, and most do not follow the Bibile word for word.

But ok, you don't need to worship Him. No one said you have too.

limpbizkit818

True, but many argue that the Bible is undeniable fact...

Then who created free will? Has it always been? Did God randomly decided to make himself out of nothing? What came first Free will or God?

Seems pointless and a waste of time to create a race that is always doubting him, and when they do he punish them. I just don't see the point in going threw all that trouble and prove nothing.

Theempire30

God created free will, and He always existed, He didn't create Himself.

You don't, but apparenltly, God does. Who are you to tell Him what to do?

[QUOTE="diz360"]

The new testament has many violent threats in it.

It also has Jesus apparently condoning violent episodes from the old testament too.

Violence is used as a tool to enforce faith through fear in most theist religions.

It helps "believers" avert the realities of existence and ignore the random and unfair suffering in the world.

Silver_Dragon17

Straight from the article: Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery.

That verse is metaphorical, as was many of the other teachings of His. Do not commit adultery; That was the message. And that isn't the only verse your link takes WAY out of context.

So that's your interpretation is it? If that's what is meant, why is that not what was said?

How do you choose your context for interpretation? Why do many theists interpret the bible differently to you?

[QUOTE="diz360"]

The new testament has many violent threats in it.

It also has Jesus apparently condoning violent episodes from the old testament too.

Violence is used as a tool to enforce faith through fear in most theist religions.

It helps "believers" avert the realities of existence and ignore the random and unfair suffering in the world.

Silver_Dragon17

Straight from the article: Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery.

That verse is metaphorical, as was many of the other teachings of His. Do not commit adultery; That was the message. And that isn't the only verse your link takes WAY out of context.

But why make a message so bloody? Why not just force it into our minds to not do it. Yet again, a pointless message if he knows were going to all end up doing it.

[QUOTE="Theempire30"]

Then who created free will? Has it always been? Did God randomly decided to make himself out of nothing? What came first Free will or God?

Seems pointless and a waste of time to create a race that is always doubting him, and when they do he punish them. I just don't see the point in going threw all that trouble and prove nothing.

Silver_Dragon17

God created free will, and He always existed, He didn't create Himself.

You don't, but apparenltly, God does. Who are you to tell Him what to do?

That is completely back wards.. For god to create anything, the being it self would have to have free will.. So he/she/it most assuredly did not create such an idea.

[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Think about this: An omniscient/omnipotent God can do whatever He wants. That would mean He could also limit His own Omniscience/omnipotence. God already does this when He forgives sin; He literally makes Himself forget it. So why would this be a contradiction? Maybe He would do it for absolute free will to exist, hmm?

Silver_Dragon17

What is the point of belief in a god that has no power? Why pray if god doesn't listen?

I'm not saying God has no power, nor am I saying He doesn't listen.:|

You said god limits his omniscience and omnipotence.

How do you know this? Is it becuase god allows so much suffering of innocents?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"]

Then who created free will? Has it always been? Did God randomly decided to make himself out of nothing? What came first Free will or God?

Seems pointless and a waste of time to create a race that is always doubting him, and when they do he punish them. I just don't see the point in going threw all that trouble and prove nothing.

sSubZerOo

God created free will, and He always existed, He didn't create Himself.

You don't, but apparenltly, God does. Who are you to tell Him what to do?

That is completely back wards.. For god to create anything, the being it self would have to have free will.. So he/she/it most assuredly did not create such an idea.

Exactly, seems like a pointless action by a pointless God.