I refuse to worship such a violent god.

If you believe in a forgiving and benign god, then the countless innocent deaths and global suffering through history should cause you some alarm. This is because it does not seem to fit with the message you deliver in these threads.

You are trying to justify gods existence. That's why you're posting here.

I know what time it is.

diz360

As I have said, death of i innocents is not a bad thing. They go to Heaven! What is bad about that?

No, I'm justifying that God is not evil.

I didn't say anything about time.:|

[QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Theempire30"][

Sounds like his playing favorites to me.

Silver_Dragon17

Would you prefer He sent children to Hell?>_>

If so, then I don't think it's God who's evil here.

Nope, I'd prefer it if he sent us all to heaven...and hadn't even made a hell.

I'd prefer it if He didn't send people like Hitler to Heaven, so that leaves Hell.

He will make us a new being in Heaven...Heaven is without sin(a perfect place)thus Hitler would not be the same person he was on earth.

Yes, and all the good things done are moot.:roll:

Also, some of those are out of context.

Silver_Dragon17

Im not sure I want to worship a god who tells us not to kill, but then tells other people to kill men, women, and children. I think I'll go get a copy of The God Delusion by richard dawkins when Im out of my parent's house (they're religious fanatics)

People just fear God nothing more they are afraid to put their faith into something higher than themselves

theymisunderstanda parable from the bible and they assume he is "violent" what people forget most of the time is this book was written close to 2000 years ago! where as what they said isnt what it means, in order to understand they Bible you have to "think outside the box" think of the story of Josephthe one who would explain peoples dreams to them.

[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

God created free will, and He always existed, He didn't create Himself.

You don't, but apparenltly, God does. Who are you to tell Him what to do?

Silver_Dragon17

So who or what created god?

I remember you saying that every creation must have a creator. Is god an exception to this rule?

Yes.:| God isn't a creation.

Then that is shooting yourself in the foot, because Atheism demands that something come from nothing in order for the universe (or at least God) to exist. If the universe always existed, then why not God? See, it works both ways.

[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

This reminds me of a comic strip I once saw. . .a man said "Okay God, give me a sign, and I'll know you're there!" Then the guy waited for three days, in a beautiful place, and nature and night and day passed before him, and at the end, he said "I'm waiting!" When he had his sign all along.

A new Bible doesn't need to be written because we can understand this one, if we actually look instead of bklaming God for everything.;)

Silver_Dragon17

Isn't it enough to believe the garden is beautiful, without believeing there are fairies living at the bottom of it? (loosely quoted from Douglas Adams)

I don't blame god for the horrific randomness and unfairness of life. The situation is not caused because of, or despite god. The thing is, if you consider the realities of existance. it rapidly becomes difficult to believe in a beign super-natural power.

Exactly. The Bible itself says that it is difficult. But that doesn't mean impossible, or incorrect.

For me, it does mean exactly those things.

Its not only the suffereing, but the bigotry, the dubious origins of the bible's creation and translations, the false hope, fear and wrath mechanisms for belief, the substantial and credible evidence supporting alternative rationales about the meaning of existence and the freedom from restrictive dogma that prohibits enquiry and research.

If you're not certain about something, why do you place your faith in it and live your life by one set of interpreted doctrines, among many others from the same source?

[QUOTE="diz360"]

If you believe in a forgiving and benign god, then the countless innocent deaths and global suffering through history should cause you some alarm. This is because it does not seem to fit with the message you deliver in these threads.

You are trying to justify gods existence. That's why you're posting here.

I know what time it is.

Silver_Dragon17

As I have said, death of i innocents is not a bad thing. They go to Heaven! What is bad about that?

No, I'm justifying that God is not evil.

I didn't say anything about time.:|

Why destroy newly created innocent life? Is that not unfair? Why be born?

You say the death of innocents is not a bad thing, and yet god is not evil. Those two sentences don't seem to go together. You mentioned that innocents do not die, then changed your story. Now you say death is no bad thing. In that case, what is the point of mortality?

By your logic, the easiest way for a child to get to heaven is for it to be killed before it becomes a teenager. That is warped morality. And you say morality in religion is superior to morality without religion...

Time is the 4th dimension. You mentioned that we have no concept of the 4th dimension, but we do.

Its very easy to tie yourself in knots with your irrational reasoning.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="diz360"]

If you believe in a forgiving and benign god, then the countless innocent deaths and global suffering through history should cause you some alarm. This is because it does not seem to fit with the message you deliver in these threads.

You are trying to justify gods existence. That's why you're posting here.

I know what time it is.

diz360

As I have said, death of i innocents is not a bad thing. They go to Heaven! What is bad about that?

No, I'm justifying that God is not evil.

I didn't say anything about time.:|

Why destroy newly created innocent life? Is that not unfair? Why be born?

You say the death of innocents is not a bad thing, and yet god is not evil. Those two sentences don't seem to go together. You mentioned that innocents do not die, then changed your story. Now you say death is no bad thing. In that case, what is the point of mortality?

By your logic, the easiest way for a child to get to heaven is for it to be killed before it becomes a teenager. That is warped morality. And you say morality in religion is superior to morality without religion...

Time is the 4th dimension. You mentioned that we have no concept of the 4th dimension, but we do.

Its very easy to tie yourself in knots with your irrational reasoning.

Exactly.

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

sPyDrHeIr

That Lewis quote is also really terrible logic.

*rolls eyes*. That's Old Testament. God's justice is, well, just. However, the sacrifice His Son made saves us from that. So chillax. Also, yes think of all the GOOD things. Peace. Finally, thanks for informing us, but none of us are trying to force you to believe in Him, or worship Him.

Then that is shooting yourself in the foot, because Atheism demands that something come from nothing in order for the universe (or at least God) to exist. If the universe always existed, then why not God? See, it works both ways.

Silver_Dragon17

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

sPyDrHeIr

I'll believe in him when I see him, or when Christians start to make sense.

[QUOTE="sPyDrHeIr"]

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

-MuadDib-

That Lewis quote is also really terrible logic.

Dude, your sig has a thing that says "self-proclaimed idiot". So we won't take you seriously. Also, you ARE ackowledging God when you bash Him, in a way. Think about it.

The older ones only go to Hell if they don't ask for forgiveness. The only reason children are innocent is because they are too young to know what they do. When they develop reason, and a sense of right and wrong, then they are no longer innocent. This is around puberty.

Silver_Dragon17

*rolls eyes*. That's Old Testament. God's justice is, well, just. However, the sacrifice His Son made saves us from that. So chillax. Also, yes think of all the GOOD things. Peace. Finally, thanks for informing us, but none of us are trying to force you to believe in Him, or worship Him.

stewiegriffin78

Read the first page, I never said anyone was forcing me to believe in him, I was just applying how violent Christianity is. Even if its the old testament it's still the Bible.

[QUOTE="sPyDrHeIr"]

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

Theempire30

I'll believe in him when I see him, or when Christians start to make sense.

You can't see Him because, honestly, you aren't looking. He's everywhere. Just taking a glance outside is enough to convince that there's a designer somewhere. And some of us Christians make sense. You don't make much sense to me because you DON'T believe. So it's kind of a paradox.

[QUOTE="-MuadDib-"][QUOTE="sPyDrHeIr"]

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

stewiegriffin78

That Lewis quote is also really terrible logic.

Dude, your sig has a thing that says "self-proclaimed idiot". So we won't take you seriously. Also, you ARE ackowledging God when you bash Him, in a way. Think about it.

B) That's a logical heap of poo. How am I bashing God? Because I refuse to acknowledge his existence? By that logic, you're probably pissing off Santa and the Easter Bunny pretty badly.

Dude, your sig has a thing that says "self-proclaimed idiot". So we won't take you seriously. Also, you ARE ackowledging God when you bash Him, in a way. Think about it.

stewiegriffin78

[QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="sPyDrHeIr"]

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

stewiegriffin78

I'll believe in him when I see him, or when Christians start to make sense.

You can't see Him because, honestly, you aren't looking. He's everywhere. Just taking a glance outside is enough to convince that there's a designer somewhere. And some of us Christians make sense. You don't make much sense to me because you DON'T believe. So it's kind of a paradox.

His nowhere and never was. It's been 2000 years. Anyone back then can claim they were the son of god and do few tricks and people well make it sound like he was a supernatural being. Just think how many times some one added/took out of the Bible and made they way they wanted for political power.

I been doing some Bible reading these past days and have stumble upon some very dark things. Some are just disturbing.

The following are people that God himself orders to kill.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 )

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

OK, so some of these are things you shouldn't do because well its "wrong" I get that, but what God is this that kills for such little things though? Why embrace into a religion full of blood and with sons sleeping with their mothers, brothers killing each other for absolutely nothing, and a god that orders thousands to go into war and burn and destroy everything in their paths.

Theempire30

You only mention the Old Testement (which seemed to be getting ready for Jesus) and nothing out of the New Testement.

[QUOTE="stewiegriffin78"]

*rolls eyes*. That's Old Testament. God's justice is, well, just. However, the sacrifice His Son made saves us from that. So chillax. Also, yes think of all the GOOD things. Peace. Finally, thanks for informing us, but none of us are trying to force you to believe in Him, or worship Him.

Theempire30

Read the first page, I never said anyone was forcing me to believe in him, I was just applying how violent Christianity is. Even if its the old testament it's still the Bible.

Dude, after Christ made the sacrifice, God was satisfied. He now wants us to have peace. CHRISTianity. Christ taught us peace. If someone stirkes your cheek, turn the other way. So now we need peace, not strife. The only time we should get angry or violent is when we see unjustice (like Jesus saw in the temple). And I said we weren't forcing you to believe because you posted this topic. Why'd you post it? We wouldn't be arguing now if you hadn't post it. So that's what I was really trying to say, though now in retrospect, I was incorrect in assuming that you thought we were forcing you to believe.

thats all from the old testament.. read the new testament they call it the new testament for a reason.......aDrenaLine1337

It's still the Bible...Old or New.

P.S Read Revelations...its all about death.

[QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="stewiegriffin78"]

*rolls eyes*. That's Old Testament. God's justice is, well, just. However, the sacrifice His Son made saves us from that. So chillax. Also, yes think of all the GOOD things. Peace. Finally, thanks for informing us, but none of us are trying to force you to believe in Him, or worship Him.

stewiegriffin78

Read the first page, I never said anyone was forcing me to believe in him, I was just applying how violent Christianity is. Even if its the old testament it's still the Bible.

Dude, after Christ made the sacrifice, God was satisfied. He now wants us to have peace. CHRISTianity. Christ taught us peace. If someone stirkes your cheek, turn the other way. So now we need peace, not strife. The only time we should get angry or violent is when we see unjustice (like Jesus saw in the temple). And I said we weren't forcing you to believe because you posted this topic. Why'd you post it? We wouldn't be arguing now if you hadn't post it. So that's what I was really trying to say, though now in retrospect, I was incorrect in assuming that you thought we were forcing you to believe.

There has never been peace and there will never be peace...

[QUOTE="Theempire30"]

I been doing some Bible reading these past days and have stumble upon some very dark things. Some are just disturbing.

The following are people that God himself orders to kill.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 )

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

OK, so some of these are things you shouldn't do because well its "wrong" I get that, but what God is this that kills for such little things though? Why embrace into a religion full of blood and with sons sleeping with their mothers, brothers killing each other for absolutely nothing, and a god that orders thousands to go into war and burn and destroy everything in their paths.

Wolf-Man2006

You only mention the Old Testement (which seemed to be getting ready for Jesus) and nothing out of the New Testement.

I'm not going to quote all of Revelations and the death of Christ....

[QUOTE="stewiegriffin78"][QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="sPyDrHeIr"]

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

Theempire30

I'll believe in him when I see him, or when Christians start to make sense.

You can't see Him because, honestly, you aren't looking. He's everywhere. Just taking a glance outside is enough to convince that there's a designer somewhere. And some of us Christians make sense. You don't make much sense to me because you DON'T believe. So it's kind of a paradox.

His nowhere and never was. It's been 2000 years. Anyone back then can claim they were the son of god and do few tricks and people well make it sound like he was a supernatural being. Just think how many times some one added/took out of the Bible and made they way they wanted for political power.

You can't say He doesn't exist. To do so, you would have to know everything at all times, which would make you a god. So you can NEVER disprove God. And the facts are the same, it's just the way you look at them. And I'd like examples (as well as sources) of documented accounts of manipulation of the Word. And I don't mean different translations.

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

sPyDrHeIr

I can only think that you have not read the thread.

I agree that to hate god is to give god substance.

By thinking god does not exist, there is no hate.

Would you respect me if I said I thought a huge monster with revolving ears and illuminated fangs was going to appear?

You can't say He doesn't exist. To do so, you would have to know everything at all times, which would make you a god. So you can NEVER disprove God.

stewiegriffin78

He's not trying to disprove God, he's showing that it's improbable.

[QUOTE="sPyDrHeIr"]

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

Theempire30

I'll believe in him when I see him, or when Christians start to make sense.

I never asked you to believe, just to respect . Don't you read?

[QUOTE="stewiegriffin78"][QUOTE="-MuadDib-"][QUOTE="sPyDrHeIr"]

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

-MuadDib-

That Lewis quote is also really terrible logic.

Dude, your sig has a thing that says "self-proclaimed idiot". So we won't take you seriously. Also, you ARE ackowledging God when you bash Him, in a way. Think about it.

B) That's a logical heap of poo. How am I bashing God? Because I refuse to acknowledge his existence? By that logic, you're probably pissing off Santa and the Easter Bunny pretty badly.

Ok, I should reword what I said, I was wrong, for the record. Moving on. What I should have said is that you're ackowledging the theory of God (though I believe it to be more than a theory). And I'm ackowledging the theory of evolution when I disagree with it.

You can't say He doesn't exist. To do so, you would have to know everything at all times, which would make you a god. So you can NEVER disprove God. And the facts are the same, it's just the way you look at them. And I'd like examples (as well as sources) of documented accounts of manipulation of the Word. And I don't mean different translations.

stewiegriffin78

Not the old disproof argument again...

It is logically impossible to disprove anything. Scientific method relies solely on positive proof, as supported by evidence, peer review, observation and reasoning.

There is little point believing something becuase it can not be disproved. That would mean we could believe literally anything.

There is far better reason to believe only things that can be proved. The best we should do to statements that can not be proved is accept them as possibilities.

Would you put your faith in a mere possibility?

[QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="stewiegriffin78"][QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="sPyDrHeIr"]

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

stewiegriffin78

I'll believe in him when I see him, or when Christians start to make sense.

You can't see Him because, honestly, you aren't looking. He's everywhere. Just taking a glance outside is enough to convince that there's a designer somewhere. And some of us Christians make sense. You don't make much sense to me because you DON'T believe. So it's kind of a paradox.

His nowhere and never was. It's been 2000 years. Anyone back then can claim they were the son of god and do few tricks and people well make it sound like he was a supernatural being. Just think how many times some one added/took out of the Bible and made they way they wanted for political power.

You can't say He doesn't exist. To do so, you would have to know everything at all times, which would make you a god. So you can NEVER disprove God. And the facts are the same, it's just the way you look at them. And I'd like examples (as well as sources) of documented accounts of manipulation of the Word. And I don't mean different translations.

And I'd like examples (as well as sources) of documented accounts of manipulation of the Word. And I don't mean different translations.
stewiegriffin78

[QUOTE="stewiegriffin78"]

You can't say He doesn't exist. To do so, you would have to know everything at all times, which would make you a god. So you can NEVER disprove God.

-MuadDib-

He's not trying to disprove God, he's showing that it's improbable.

Earlier he said God diesn't exist, and never has. Moving on. And I believe our evolving from pond scum improbable.

[QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="sPyDrHeIr"]

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

sPyDrHeIr

I'll believe in him when I see him, or when Christians start to make sense.

I never asked you to believe, just to respect . Don't you read?

I'm not trying to convert anyone here or making fun of them...if they believe in him thats their opinion...all I'm saying is that the Bible is a very bloody book.

Ok, I should reword what I said, I was wrong, for the record. Moving on. What I should have said is that you're ackowledging the theory of God (though I believe it to be more than a theory). And I'm ackowledging the theory of evolution when I disagree with it.

stewiegriffin78

Ok, I should reword what I said, I was wrong, for the record. Moving on. What I should have said is that you're ackowledging the theory of God (though I believe it to be more than a theory). And I'm ackowledging the theory of evolution when I disagree with it.

stewiegriffin78

By definition, belief in god is NOT a theory. In order to respond to an postulation, the postulation has to be referenced.

How would you respond if I said the Swaghelmt was coming tomorrow?

I'm sure your response would include reference to the Swaghelmt, even though I just made that word up.

[QUOTE="sPyDrHeIr"]

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

diz360

I can only think that you have not read the thread.

I agree that to hate god is to give god substance.

By thinking god does not exist, there is no hate.

Would you respect me if I said I thought a huge monster with revolving ears and illuminated fangs was going to appear?

I can respect a belief, which is why i'm not the most full-blown christian since someserious Christians do not recognize other beliefs.I do respect Islam and anyone that believes in polytheism. That is probably my only complaint about Christianity, unless other religions dont recognize others

Earlier he said God diesn't exist, and never has. Moving on. And I believe our evolving from pond scum improbable.

stewiegriffin78

[QUOTE="-MuadDib-"][QUOTE="stewiegriffin78"]

You can't say He doesn't exist. To do so, you would have to know everything at all times, which would make you a god. So you can NEVER disprove God.

stewiegriffin78

He's not trying to disprove God, he's showing that it's improbable.

Earlier he said God diesn't exist, and never has. Moving on. And I believe our evolving from pond scum improbable.

Makes more sense then 6 Billion people came from only two people in 8 thousand years. Plus is not nearly as violent as Christianity nor does it demand so much time from people...

[QUOTE="stewiegriffin78"][QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="stewiegriffin78"][QUOTE="Theempire30"][QUOTE="sPyDrHeIr"]

If there are atheists here hating God, then why are you acknowledging Him? I say this loosely from a C.S. Lewis, Atheists show anger to God though in their beliefs He does not even exist. Hating God gives Him existance, the atheists here are totally contradicting their beliefs. Now I'm not the most serious christian in the world, i dont dictate my life based on the Bible, but i feel that the people telling other Christians to "wake up" or "realize that He does not exist" are much more attacking our beliefs rather than sharing their view on christianity. There's no need to be so ignorant. Just cause some believe that He will appear yet hasn't for over 2000 years doesnt mean that you can mock them and say that He won't because so much time has passed.

If you don't wanna believe in God, fine i respect that but can't YOU respect the fact thatsome people think God will appear?

Theempire30

I'll believe in him when I see him, or when Christians start to make sense.

You can't see Him because, honestly, you aren't looking. He's everywhere. Just taking a glance outside is enough to convince that there's a designer somewhere. And some of us Christians make sense. You don't make much sense to me because you DON'T believe. So it's kind of a paradox.

His nowhere and never was. It's been 2000 years. Anyone back then can claim they were the son of god and do few tricks and people well make it sound like he was a supernatural being. Just think how many times some one added/took out of the Bible and made they way they wanted for political power.

You can't say He doesn't exist. To do so, you would have to know everything at all times, which would make you a god. So you can NEVER disprove God. And the facts are the same, it's just the way you look at them. And I'd like examples (as well as sources) of documented accounts of manipulation of the Word. And I don't mean different translations.

...What? How does free will disprove God? I don't even get that...