I Think Tipping is Stupid

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]It would make more sense to just raise the price of the food by 10-15% and just give that extra money to the waiters. So yeah I agree with you OP.michaelP4

And just to clarify I am not advocating some kind of government regulation to enforce any kind of minimum wage.

Personally, I like the idea behind the tipping mechanism. It allows me to pay for service/waitstaff in accordance with how well I believed work was performed. 20% seems to be about the average (well, median) that I tip at a restaurant. Unfortunately, some people seem to miss the notion about how that is the accepted payment mechanism for said service, and consider it 'optional.' In theory, tipping is great, but this thread is causing me to reconsider.

I've tipped casino dealers and bus drivers. Tipping a casino dealer isn't uncommon, not if you leave the table with money. Bus drivers get tips when they are chartered for events, that isn't that uncommon either. In college for example, we would charter a bus to take us to various functions or downtown to avoid having to worry about drinking and driving and ridiculous cab rates.

Anyways how much someone gets paid is not my problem. Since tipping is optional I don't tip.Laihendi

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="JustSignedUp"]None of you countered OP's argument of "why dont we tip bus drivers or casino dealers"JustSignedUp

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Anyways how much someone gets paid is not my problem. Since tipping is optional I don't tip.chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Anyways how much someone gets paid is not my problem. Since tipping is optional I don't tip.chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Anyways how much someone gets paid is not my problem. Since tipping is optional I don't tip.Laihendi

How old are you TC, 12? Just pay the god damn tip. It is rarely over $5, so just grab some frigging pocket change. Waiters and waitresses have to serve douches like you all day, so they deserve the tip.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] You're a douchebag.jim_shorts

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] It's not my fault someone chose a job with pay that is so bad that they rely on customers to provide a bonus as an act of charity.Laihendi

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] It's not my fault someone chose a job with pay that is so bad that they rely on customers to provide a bonus as an act of charity.Laihendi

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] It's not my fault someone chose a job with pay that is so bad that they rely on customers to provide a bonus as an act of charity.Laihendi

You didn't pay for their service, as you didn't tip them any money.

@ the gerg: I love how I'm being a bad guy for calling out a low life that doesn't tip, but you're somehow able to mention atrocities of an entire race of people and then claim innocence.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Because people always have a smorgasbord of job opportunities, right?

Dark__Link

*raises hand*

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Because people always have a smorgasbord of job opportunities, right?Dark__Link

Didn't we just have this topic recently.Travo_basic

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Because people always have a smorgasbord of job opportunities, right?

Cloud_Insurance

You didn't pay for their service, as you didn't tip them any money.

I pay the employer for the employees service.Laihendi

Clearly you are not familiar with how the restaurant industry works.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Again, their job is not my fault. They agreed to work for a specific wage, and I agreed to pay a specific price for their service.Laihendi

The idea is that its bad for the employer to pay a flat wage. Why? Because there is no incentive for the employees to perform their job well. If they are paid a flat rate, they'll most likely work no harder than what is required for them to keep their job. Whereas if their reward (their pay) is tied to their paerformance, they will be encouraged to do their job at a higher level since they see more benefit in return. And as a result of all of the great service provided by the waitstaff, the restaurant will get more customers, as people who eat out want good service in addition to good food. People are willing to pay significantly higher prices for excellent service.

When you go to a restaurant, you pay the same price for the food whether you eat in or take out. If you eat in and thus require the use of the waitstaff and then fail to tip, you aren't paying anything for that service.

If you're not going to tip, then don't go places where tipping is expected. Otherwise you're just a giant assh*le leeching the system. If you don't like it, don't support it instead of abusing it.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"] Okay, and you're a dick. You're absolutely entitled to act the way you do, but you're a bad person. Can we all agree on that?Cloud_Insurance

The idea is that its bad for the employer to pay a flat wage. Why? Because there is no incentive for the employees to perform their job well. If they are paid a flat rate, they'll most likely work no harder than what is required for them to keep their job. Whereas if their reward (their pay) is tied to their paerformance, they will be encouraged to do their job at a higher level since they see more benefit in return. And as a result of all of the great service provided by the waitstaff, the restaurant will get more customers, as people who eat out want good service in addition to good food. People are willing to pay significantly higher prices for excellent service.

When you go to a restaurant, you pay the same price for the food whether you eat in or take out. If you eat in and thus require the use of the waitstaff and then fail to tip, you aren't paying anything for that service.

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

@ the gerg: I love how I'm being a bad guy for calling out a low life that doesn't tip, but you're somehow able to mention atrocities of an entire race of people and then claim innocence.

thegerg

If restaurants want to pay based on merit, they should make use of an evaluation system for customers to participate in.Laihendi

That is exactly what the tipping function does. This is actually very simple.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Wat. Are you Kreia from Knights 2?jim_shorts

Laihendi doesn't understand that cooperation is the reason that humans are the dominant species on earth.

Food for thought: If Laihendi is not willing to pay for services rendered to him in a restaurant, there is precious little reason to believe that he would not be a complete free-rider under a voluntary taxation system.

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Please explain how one must be a bad person to be unwilling to compensate for an employer who is unwilling to provide his employee with an adequate wage. Please explain why one must be a bad person to be unwilling to compensate for an inadequate wage that the employee voluntarily agreed to work for.Laihendi

The idea is that its bad for the employer to pay a flat wage. Why? Because there is no incentive for the employees to perform their job well. If they are paid a flat rate, they'll most likely work no harder than what is required for them to keep their job. Whereas if their reward (their pay) is tied to their paerformance, they will be encouraged to do their job at a higher level since they see more benefit in return. And as a result of all of the great service provided by the waitstaff, the restaurant will get more customers, as people who eat out want good service in addition to good food. People are willing to pay significantly higher prices for excellent service.

When you go to a restaurant, you pay the same price for the food whether you eat in or take out. If you eat in and thus require the use of the waitstaff and then fail to tip, you aren't paying anything for that service.

Its not charity. Its the cost of service provided by the waitstaff. That cost isn't fixed, its variable. You, the customer, choose the cost of that service provided. Its a good thing. Normal, civilized people base it on the quality of the service provided.

You can say whatever you want, at the end of the day you are just trying to rationalize that you aren't cheap.

And you conveniently ignored the part where I mentioned the price of food not changing depending on whether you choose to eat in or take out.

in singapore the tips are split, so its useless to go the extra mile and lazy bums get free money for the things they didnt do.

Laihendi doesn't understand that cooperation is the reason that humans are the dominant species on earth.

Guybrush_3

If they are talking about the extermination of jews while laughing or trying to defend the Nazi positions, I'd say I have every right to be offended.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Wat. Are you Kreia from Knights 2?jim_shorts

Anyone who believes he should sacrifice himselffor others necessarily believes that the only justification for his existence is to serve others. I reject the notion that a stranger's well-being is necessarily more important than my own, and therefore I will not sacrifice anything for a stranger.

Food for thought: If Laihendi is not willing to pay for services rendered to him in a restaurant, there is precious little reason to believe that he would not be a complete free-rider under a voluntary taxation system.

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Food for thought: If Laihendi is not willing to pay for services rendered to him in a restaurant, there is precious little reason to believe that he would not be a complete free-rider under a voluntary taxation system.

Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Food for thought: If Laihendi is not willing to pay for services rendered to him in a restaurant, there is precious little reason to believe that he would not be a complete free-rider under a voluntary taxation system.

jim_shorts

probably too young to pay taxes.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

The idea is that its bad for the employer to pay a flat wage. Why? Because there is no incentive for the employees to perform their job well. If they are paid a flat rate, they'll most likely work no harder than what is required for them to keep their job. Whereas if their reward (their pay) is tied to their paerformance, they will be encouraged to do their job at a higher level since they see more benefit in return. And as a result of all of the great service provided by the waitstaff, the restaurant will get more customers, as people who eat out want good service in addition to good food. People are willing to pay significantly higher prices for excellent service.

When you go to a restaurant, you pay the same price for the food whether you eat in or take out. If you eat in and thus require the use of the waitstaff and then fail to tip, you aren't paying anything for that service.

Cloud_Insurance

Its not charity. Its the cost of service provided by the waitstaff. That cost isn't fixed, its variable. You, the customer, choose the cost of that service provided. Its a good thing. Normal, civilized people base it on the quality of the service provided.

You can say whatever you want, at the end of the day you are just trying to rationalize that you aren't cheap.

And you conveniently ignored the part where I mentioned the price of food not changing depending on whether you choose to eat in or take out.

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] If it was in my self-interest to pay for the privileges offered by the government in return for taxation (government enforcement of contracts, access to courts, voting, etc.), I would pay taxes. Obviously I would not freely support a government that I would not benefit from.Guybrush_3

probably too young to pay taxes.