I Think Tipping is Stupid

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Food for thought: If Laihendi is not willing to pay for services rendered to him in a restaurant, there is precious little reason to believe that he would not be a complete free-rider under a voluntary taxation system.

jim_shorts

Obviously I would not freely support a government that I would not benefit from.Laihendi

And the the collective action problem brings us to the necessary coercion. Thank you for proving my case.

Nevermind, I looked at your tumblr, which is indicative of a small child.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Anyways how much someone gets paid is not my problem. Since tipping is optional I don't tip.chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I am talking about what I would do my hypothetical ideal (free) society.Laihendi

You mean your parents' finances.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Obviously I would not freely support a government that I would not benefit from.coolbeans90

And the the collective action problem brings us to the necessary coercion. Thank you for proving my case.

[QUOTE="Addict187"]I hate it when I visit America Jaysonguy

Found your problem here.

Not too sure where you're from but we do things right here.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"] You still haven't answered my question. We don't live in a hypothetical society.Cloud_Insurance

You mean your parents' finances.

laihendi is the worst poster on off topic.

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I am talking about what I would do my hypothetical ideal (free) society.Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"] You still haven't answered my question. We don't live in a hypothetical society.chrisrooR

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] My finances are none of your business.Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Wat. Are you Kreia from Knights 2?TrainerCeleste

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Obviously I would not freely support a government that I would not benefit from.Laihendi

And the the collective action problem brings us to the necessary coercion. Thank you for proving my case.

The government, in essence, would not even be able to keep its own existence from external (or internal, really) obliteration because of the collective action problem. Surely you understand why, because this is a very simple scenario.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] My finances are none of your business.Laihendi

We're talking about waiting tables in a restaurant, not stripping in a gentleman's club.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] My finances are none of your business.Laihendi

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] My finances are none of your business.Laihendi

I am starting to hope that Laihendi is just a really good parody and not actually this stupid.chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] Look, you can make excuses.The fact is that people enjoy having control over how much money they make. If you were working one of these jobs, don't give me **** and tell us all you wouldn't be smiling a little bit harder and working a little faster if you knew you had the opportunity to make those couple dollars.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] Look, you can make excuses.The fact is that people enjoy having control over how much money they make. If you were working one of these jobs, don't give me **** and tell us all you wouldn't be smiling a little bit harder and working a little faster if you knew you had the opportunity to make those couple dollars.

Cloud_Insurance

We're talking about waiting tables in a restaurant, not stripping in a gentleman's club.

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] My finances are none of your business.Laihendi

Your idea that altruism is somehow immoral is both laughable and moronic.

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] I would never work a job that required me to lie, flatter, and degrade myself for the desperate hope of making an extra $2.00.Laihendi

We're talking about waiting tables in a restaurant, not stripping in a gentleman's club.

You must really live under a rock if you think stripping = being a server :lol:

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] I would never work a job that required me to lie, flatter, and degrade myself for the desperate hope of making an extra $2.00.Laihendi

We're talking about waiting tables in a restaurant, not stripping in a gentleman's club.

How old are you?

Requiring payment of taxes for government enforcement of contracts is enough to solve any collective action problem.Laihendi

So, we have now justified involuntary taxation.

Excellent.

[QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Never get a job in that case. And since you are opposed to government programs that help.....enjoy the homeless life my man.Laihendi

EDIT: and no it's not good to lie, but when serving people as you can see from your experience in the OT not everyone shares your views. You can maximize profit for your employer by being nice and being adjusted enough to not scream at people.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Then why do you feel the need to post comment after comment about them?chessmaster1989

Your idea that altruism is somehow immoral is both laughable and moronic.

[QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Never get a job in that case. And since you are opposed to government programs that help.....enjoy the homeless life my man.Laihendi

I wasn't aware that serving food required lying.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Requiring payment of taxes for government enforcement of contracts is enough to solve any collective action problem.coolbeans90

So, we have now justified involuntary taxation.

Excellent.

I wasn't aware that serving food required lying.

Cloud_Insurance

It helps keep the cost down. Educate yourself from your ignorance TC.LJS9502_basic

I agree that the system of tipping is stupid. I wish they would do away with it as it gets too confusing.

I don't believe in tipping people in restaurants. They get a wage. I don't tip my bus driver or my postman. Why should I tip a waitress? Compulsory tipping is this ridiculous habit that is spreading from America around the world. If you want to add a 10% 'service charge' then simply make the food 10% more expensive. Why not add a 5% 'electricity charge' and a 0.5% 'washing-up liquid charge'? These charges particularly annoy me because they are dishonest. The $10 price you see is actually $11.50. It's false advertising. If the waitress does an exceptional job (is friendly to your kids, makes a real effort to help you with your Vegan diet etc.) then give her some money in cash at the end of the meal. The idea that they are not paid enough so we, and not the restaurant owners, should give them more is absolutely absurd. I am skeptical that they ever actually receive any of the 'service charge' anyway. Tipping cultures are horrible. I hate it when I visit America and I have to tip everyone from the person who drives me to the hotel to the elevator guy. It's f-ing stupid.Addict187

So, we are back at square one. Government cannot ensure its own survival because it cannot maintain a military, nor a police due to the collective action problem.

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]I wasn't aware that serving food required lying.

Laihendi

It helps keep the cost down. Educate yourself from your ignorance TC.LJS9502_basic

So, we are back at square one. Government cannot ensure its own survival because it cannot maintain a military, nor a police due to the collective action problem.

coolbeans90

In a mandatory taxation system, if you don't pay taxes then you are sent to prison and your property is confiscated by the government. In a voluntary taxation system, if you don't pay taxes then you are left to take care of yourself with your own resources. The former implies government ownership of property, with private access to property being a privilege granted by the state. The latter implies private ownership of property, with the government offering its services to those who will pay for them.Laihendi

Which begs the question of how exactly one takes care of themselves with their own resources, and how such a limited government is supposed to enforce contracts if a significant portion of the population falls into that "taking care of themselves" camp.