I Think Tipping is Stupid

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

Tip if you enjoyed their service. Don't if you did not.

SolidSnake35

It probably would be easier if they were just paid a standard rate instead of having to rely on tips.

Tip if you enjoyed their service. Don't if you did not.

harashawn

I love how the biggest communists on this board are also the same people berating anyone who is against tipping. They're preaching things like "gives the waitress an incenive to do better"....almost seems like blasphemous capitalist talk.

I love how the biggest communists on this board are also the same people berating anyone who is against tipping. They're preaching things like "gives the waitress an incenive to do better"....almost seems like blasphemous capitalist talk.

moneymatterz

I love how the biggest communists on this board are also the same people berating anyone who is against tipping. They're preaching things like "gives the waitress an incenive to do better"....almost seems like blasphemous capitalist talk.

moneymatterz

[QUOTE="moneymatterz"]

I love how the biggest communists on this board are also the same people berating anyone who is against tipping. They're preaching things like "gives the waitress an incenive to do better"....almost seems like blasphemous capitalist talk.

MrPraline

I don't want to risk getting saliva or semen in my food just because I didn't pay the waiter extra for doing their job. If restaurant workers are getting paid illegal wages (which they are) then they should take it up with the government and their employer, not me.

I don't want to risk getting saliva or semen in my food just because I didn't pay the waiter extra for doing their job. If restaurant workers are getting paid illegal wages (which they are) then they should take it up with the government and their employer, not me.

DeadSoulKing

Holy fvck. Tips are there so you can dictate the quality of your service. Bad service? Leave a sh1tty tip. It's a motivater for servers. Also, waiters get paid much less because they factor the tip in. If you don't tip, you're a fvcking ****.

There is no way Laihendi is employed if he's being honest in this thread.

[QUOTE="DeadSoulKing"]

I don't want to risk getting saliva or semen in my food just because I didn't pay the waiter extra for doing their job. If restaurant workers are getting paid illegal wages (which they are) then they should take it up with the government and their employer, not me.

-Sun_Tzu-

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DeadSoulKing"]

I don't want to risk getting saliva or semen in my food just because I didn't pay the waiter extra for doing their job. If restaurant workers are getting paid illegal wages (which they are) then they should take it up with the government and their employer, not me.

coolbeans90

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You don't know what you're talking about. Hatiko

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I love how the biggest communists on this board are also the same people berating anyone who is against tipping. They're preaching things like "gives the waitress an incenive to do better"....almost seems like blasphemous capitalist talk.

moneymatterz

Who exactly do you think is a communist?

[QUOTE="DeadSoulKing"]

I don't want to risk getting saliva or semen in my food just because I didn't pay the waiter extra for doing their job. If restaurant workers are getting paid illegal wages (which they are) then they should take it up with the government and their employer, not me.

thegerg

most waiters depend on their tips , if you think 4-6 dollars an hour is enough then your on something very bad , i suggest you get off of it , without tips -these people wouldnt make it

I agree that the system of tipping is stupid. I wish they would do away with it as it gets too confusing.

sonicare

most waiters depend on their tips , if you think 4-6 dollars an hour is enough then your on something very bad , i suggest you get off of it , without tips -these people wouldnt make it

mariokart64fan

I disagree with this automatic tipping BS. I believe it creates the opposite effect of what you're trying to achieve in the first place. Because most people seem to tip automatically, unless the waiter was really really bad, waiters generally expect the tip, so when you don't tip the waiter may get really angry and do something nasty to you the next time. So instead of promoting good behavior this whole system is actually promoting a behavior where the customers are "hostages" of the tipping system.

Fortunately, in my country tipping is not socially required (waiters make at least minimum wage) and no one expects it unless in fancy restaurants. In "normal" restaurantswaiters don't expect it, so when you do tip, they're quite grateful. This promotes the desired behavior, in that they don't treat you bad if you don't tip, they just treat you better if you do tip. That's why they love foreign people: they drop a 10% tip or more, no one else does that over here.

I disagree with this automatic tipping BS. I believe it creates the opposite effect of what you're trying to achieve in the first place. Because most people seem to tip automatically, unless the waiter was really really bad, waiters generally expect the tip, so when you don't tip the waiter may get really angry and do something nasty to you the next time. So instead of promoting good behavior this whole system is actually promoting a behavior where the customers are "hostages" of the tipping system.nunovlopes

I don't want to risk getting saliva or semen in my food just because I didn't pay the waiter extra for doing their job.

DeadSoulKing

This is precisely what I was talking about in my previous post. You're being held hostage of the tipping system. Seems to me most people tip in an opposite manner of what should happen. People generally tip, unless the waiter was really bad. When it should be: you generally don't tip unless the waiter was really good.

With that said, I'm assuming you guys are talking about tipping in the US. I was there just once so maybe I don't have all the details of how things are done over there.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]I disagree with this automatic tipping BS. I believe it creates the opposite effect of what you're trying to achieve in the first place. Because most people seem to tip automatically, unless the waiter was really really bad, waiters generally expect the tip, so when you don't tip the waiter may get really angry and do something nasty to you the next time. So instead of promoting good behavior this whole system is actually promoting a behavior where the customers are "hostages" of the tipping system.MrGeezer

That's why they're paid by their employer... I'm paying for the meal. Waiters SHOULDN'T expect to get a tip, that should be viewed as a bonus, not something they automatically expect. Like I said, this system creates the opposite effect of what you want.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]I disagree with this automatic tipping BS. I believe it creates the opposite effect of what you're trying to achieve in the first place. Because most people seem to tip automatically, unless the waiter was really really bad, waiters generally expect the tip, so when you don't tip the waiter may get really angry and do something nasty to you the next time. So instead of promoting good behavior this whole system is actually promoting a behavior where the customers are "hostages" of the tipping system.MrGeezer

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I agree that the system of tipping is stupid. I wish they would do away with it as it gets too confusing.

SilentFireX

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]I disagree with this automatic tipping BS. I believe it creates the opposite effect of what you're trying to achieve in the first place. Because most people seem to tip automatically, unless the waiter was really really bad, waiters generally expect the tip, so when you don't tip the waiter may get really angry and do something nasty to you the next time. So instead of promoting good behavior this whole system is actually promoting a behavior where the customers are "hostages" of the tipping system.harashawn

Precisely. Seems to me this system of paying below minimum wage + pretty much mandatory tips leads to undesired behavior on the part of waiters. I think it's better to pay minimum wage and then have tips as a reward for exceptional work, not something you necessarily expect. I understand changing the system can be hard because it messes with what is currently established though.

That's why they're paid by their employer... I'm paying for the meal. Waiters SHOULDN'T expect to get a tip, that should be viewed as a bonus, not something they automatically expect. Like I said, this system creates the opposite effect of what you want.

nunovlopes

[QUOTE="SilentFireX"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

I agree that the system of tipping is stupid. I wish they would do away with it as it gets too confusing.

harashawn

An even better system: if it's on par, don't tip at all. Why tip for standard service? Tipping should be reserved for outstanding service. But waiters don't get minimum wage in the US right? That's the problem right there.

I think it's better to pay minimum wage and then have tips as a reward for exceptional work, not something you necessarily expect.nunovlopes

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

That's why they're paid by their employer... I'm paying for the meal. Waiters SHOULDN'T expect to get a tip, that should be viewed as a bonus, not something they automatically expect. Like I said, this system creates the opposite effect of what you want.

MrGeezer

First, I know for a fact that those things happen.

And you have a guy right on this page saying he tips because he doesn't want to risk someone spitting on their food. I remember other people writing the same on other occasions. So regardless of what you think, there are people who tip because of that. The system promotes that.

And I shouldn't have to worry about paying for the food AND the service. The bill should include the price for the entire package. Like in every other commercial transaction. Do you tip the guy that cuts your hair? Or any other person you do business with? Tipping should be for outstanding service.

I understand because waiters don't make minimum wage in the US, you pretty much have to tip. What I'm saying is that there are better systems. In countries where tipping is not required, you generally get good service regardless of tipping, it's just that you can get better service if you do tip. And you don't have to worry what will happen the next time if you don't tip. And if you do tip, you get even better treatment than the already good service that is standard. Seems to me a much better system. But hey it's your country, if you like it the way it is, great.

I don't believe in tipping people in restaurants. They get a wage. I don't tip my bus driver or my postman. Why should I tip a waitress? Compulsory tipping is this ridiculous habit that is spreading from America around the world. If you want to add a 10% 'service charge' then simply make the food 10% more expensive. Why not add a 5% 'electricity charge' and a 0.5% 'washing-up liquid charge'? These charges particularly annoy me because they are dishonest. The $10 price you see is actually $11.50. It's false advertising. If the waitress does an exceptional job (is friendly to your kids, makes a real effort to help you with your Vegan diet etc.) then give her some money in cash at the end of the meal. The idea that they are not paid enough so we, and not the restaurant owners, should give them more is absolutely absurd. I am skeptical that they ever actually receive any of the 'service charge' anyway. Tipping cultures are horrible. I hate it when I visit America and I have to tip everyone from the person who drives me to the hotel to the elevator guy. It's f-ing stupid.Addict187

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]I think it's better to pay minimum wage and then have tips as a reward for exceptional work, not something you necessarily expect.MrGeezer

Not sure I understand where you're coming from.

What I'm saying is I prefer a system where the waiters are paid at least minimum wage, in place of a system where they get below minimum wage and then expect to be paid in tips. IMO it promotes better customer service.

First, I know for a fact that those things happen.

And you have a guy right on this page saying he tips because he doesn't want to risk someone spitting on their food. I remember other people writing the same on other occasions. So regardless of what you think, there are people who tip because of that. The system promotes that.

And I shouldn't have to worry about paying for the food AND the service. The bill should include the price for the entire package. Like in every other commercial transaction. Do you tip the guy that cuts your hair? Or any other person you do business with? Tipping should be for outstanding service.

I understand because waiters don't make minimum wage in the US, you pretty much have to tip. What I'm saying is that there are better systems. In countries where tipping is not required, you generally get good service regardless of tipping, it's just that you can get better service if you do tip. And you don't have to worry what will happen the next time if you don't tip. And if you do tip, you get even better treatment than the already good service that is standard. Seems to me a much better system. But hey it's your country, if you like it the way it is, great.

nunovlopes

Not sure I understand where you're coming from.

What I'm saying is I prefer a system where the waiters are paid at least minimum wage, in place of a system where they get below minimum wage and then expect to be paid in tips. IMO it promotes better customer service.

nunovlopes

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Not sure I understand where you're coming from.

What I'm saying is I prefer a system where the waiters are paid at least minimum wage, in place of a system where they get below minimum wage and then expect to be paid in tips. IMO it promotes better customer service.

MrGeezer

It's not up to me to decide what would be the fair wage. I'm just arguing about the overall system.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

First, I know for a fact that those things happen.

And you have a guy right on this page saying he tips because he doesn't want to risk someone spitting on their food. I remember other people writing the same on other occasions. So regardless of what you think, there are people who tip because of that. The system promotes that.

And I shouldn't have to worry about paying for the food AND the service. The bill should include the price for the entire package. Like in every other commercial transaction. Do you tip the guy that cuts your hair? Or any other person you do business with? Tipping should be for outstanding service.

I understand because waiters don't make minimum wage in the US, you pretty much have to tip. What I'm saying is that there are better systems. In countries where tipping is not required, you generally get good service regardless of tipping, it's just that you can get better service if you do tip. And you don't have to worry what will happen the next time if you don't tip. And if you do tip, you get even better treatment than the already good service that is standard. Seems to me a much better system. But hey it's your country, if you like it the way it is, great.

MrGeezer

Well, when in Rome, do as the Romans do, you're right there.

The question was about tipping in general around the world, not just tipping in the US.

Well, when in Rome, do as the Romans do, you're right there.

The question was about tipping in general around the world, not just tipping in the US.

nunovlopes

why should waiters get more than minimum wage? their job is really not difficult. a monkey could do it.mingmao3046

Don't they get less than minimum wage in the US?

And very good waiters at nice restaurants can make good money, it is hard to be a good waiter in a fancy restaurant.

why should waiters get more than minimum wage? their job is really not difficult. a monkey could do it.mingmao3046

A very good waiter/waitress can add immensely to the enjoyment of a meal. If they put the effort in they will get a good tip, is they don't they wont.

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]why should waiters get more than minimum wage? their job is really not difficult. a monkey could do it.tenaka2

A very good waiter/waitress can add immensely to the enjoyment of a meal. If they put the effort in they will get a good tip, is they don't they wont.

Yeah nothing beats flirty waitresses looking for big tips....

I don't believe in tipping people in restaurants. They get a wage. I don't tip my bus driver or my postman. Why should I tip a waitress? Compulsory tipping is this ridiculous habit that is spreading from America around the world. If you want to add a 10% 'service charge' then simply make the food 10% more expensive. Why not add a 5% 'electricity charge' and a 0.5% 'washing-up liquid charge'? These charges particularly annoy me because they are dishonest. The $10 price you see is actually $11.50. It's false advertising. If the waitress does an exceptional job (is friendly to your kids, makes a real effort to help you with your Vegan diet etc.) then give her some money in cash at the end of the meal. The idea that they are not paid enough so we, and not the restaurant owners, should give them more is absolutely absurd. I am skeptical that they ever actually receive any of the 'service charge' anyway. Tipping cultures are horrible. I hate it when I visit America and I have to tip everyone from the person who drives me to the hotel to the elevator guy. It's f-ing stupid.Addict187

Compulsury tipping is just an excuse for restaurants to be able to underpay people. Tipping should be a RARE reward for exceptional service, not the status quo.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]why should waiters get more than minimum wage? their job is really not difficult. a monkey could do it.Storm_Marine

A very good waiter/waitress can add immensely to the enjoyment of a meal. If they put the effort in they will get a good tip, is they don't they wont.

Yeah nothing beats flirty waitresses looking for big tips....

"I would go over 15% for that"

[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

most waiters depend on their tips , if you think 4-6 dollars an hour is enough then your on something very bad , i suggest you get off of it , without tips -these people wouldnt make it

SilentFireX

That's not entirely true..it depends on where you live..Here in CA the state doesn't allow a tip credit..The minimum wage is 8.00 and even higher in some areas like San Francisco and... $10.55