I was in a debate with a creationist yesterday....

this is how it went down

Creationist 1: "evolution says we came from mokeys"

Me: "no, evolution says humans and apes share a common ancestor"

Creationist 1: "that's just something they made up for evolution to make more sense"

then another creationist gets the teacher involved, and he says that evolution says there is no God

are creationists really this ignorant about evolution? no wonder christianity is on the decline in america, the creationists are making us look retarded:o

See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?thnickaman13

See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?thnickaman13

Thats some dangerous thinking thar.

Then again,what do i know?

[QUOTE="thnickaman13"]See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?verparanoidpers

not retarded. but evolutionists say it's a fact we came from apes, when its just a theory. i do believe in evolution to an extent, but i don't believe we came from apes. MasterChief1013

You tried arguing with a creationist, that was your first mistake.GettingTired

See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?thnickaman13

Why do you believe that the Bible is a work of non-fiction?

not retarded. but evolutionists say it's a fact we came from apes, when its just a theory. i do believe in evolution to an extent, but i don't believe we came from apes. MasterChief1013

That isn't true at all. It is a fact that humans and apes share a common ancestor, not that humans evolved directly from apes.

[QUOTE="thnickaman13"]See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?Decessus

Why do you believe that the Bible is a work of non-fiction?

Because he's obviously out of his mind.

I don't see why people care so much about religonand creationism and stuff like that. In your everyday life, None of it matters. It doesnt even matter in the end(omg i sound like linken park).Boring_Bland

Religion is a major aspect in the lives of many people. These people make decisions everyday based on what they believe, so I don't agree with you when you say that in everyday life it doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="thnickaman13"]See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?Koolsen

[QUOTE="Boring_Bland"]I don't see why people care so much about religonand creationism and stuff like that. In your everyday life, None of it matters. It doesnt even matter in the end(omg i sound like linken park).Decessus

Religion is a major aspect in the lives of many people. These people make decisions everyday based on what they believe, so I don't agree with you when you say that in everyday life it doesn't matter.

Making decisions based on flying ponies is a pretty dangerous way to take action.

I'm surprised the world hasn't burned to the ground.

Ugh, who CARES if evolution is right or wrong? If it's right, then yay, it doesn't threaten Christian beliefs, and if it's wrong, then yay, all this fighting can finally stop.Dracargen

Right?I mean if evolution turns out to be the answer,christians will just say"The devil did it!!!".

It really doesnt matter,i just try to live life.I do wonder often though.

[QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="Boring_Bland"]I don't see why people care so much about religonand creationism and stuff like that. In your everyday life, None of it matters. It doesnt even matter in the end(omg i sound like linken park).xxDustmanxx

Religion is a major aspect in the lives of many people. These people make decisions everyday based on what they believe, so I don't agree with you when you say that in everyday life it doesn't matter.

Making decisions based on flying ponies is a pretty dangerous way to take action.

I'm surprised the world hasn't burned to the ground.

Nobody believes in flying ponies. . . .

The world hasn't burned to the ground because religion keeps on throwing water on the flames. . .unfortunately, there are too many people of a particular belief system who keep knocking down the religious and lighting more matches.;)

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Ugh, who CARES if evolution is right or wrong? If it's right, then yay, it doesn't threaten Christian beliefs, and if it's wrong, then yay, all this fighting can finally stop.xxDustmanxx

Right?I mean if evolution turns out to be the answer,christians will just say"The devil did it!!!".

It really doesnt matter,i just try to live life.I do wonder often though.

:|

Uh, an unbelievably small minority will say that.:|

You tried arguing with a creationist, that was your first mistake.GettingTired

agreed, at least my family doesn't take bible literally so when I debate their idiotic religious views it at least doesn't feel like arguing a brick wall

Ugh, who CARES if evolution is right or wrong? If it's right, then yay, it doesn't threaten Christian beliefs, and if it's wrong, then yay, all this fighting can finally stop.Dracargen

It may not threaten your Christian beliefs, but it does in fact threaten the Christian beliefs of other people.

[QUOTE="Koolsen"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="thnickaman13"]See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?verparanoidpers

Sorry, but I've found online debates to be pointless. The problem is, when you talk using just text, people misunderstand what you say and how you mean to say it. Everyone just ends up all mad.

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Koolsen"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="thnickaman13"]See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?thnickaman13

Sorry, but I've found online debates to be pointless. The problem is, when you talk using just text, people misunderstand what you say and how you mean to say it. Everyone just ends up all mad.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="Boring_Bland"]I don't see why people care so much about religonand creationism and stuff like that. In your everyday life, None of it matters. It doesnt even matter in the end(omg i sound like linken park).Dracargen

Religion is a major aspect in the lives of many people. These people make decisions everyday based on what they believe, so I don't agree with you when you say that in everyday life it doesn't matter.

Making decisions based on flying ponies is a pretty dangerous way to take action.

I'm surprised the world hasn't burned to the ground.

Nobody believes in flying ponies. . . .

The world hasn't burned to the ground because religion keeps on throwing water on the flames. . .unfortunately, there are too many people of a particular belief system who keep knocking down the religious and lighting more matches.;)

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Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Ugh, who CARES if evolution is right or wrong? If it's right, then yay, it doesn't threaten Christian beliefs, and if it's wrong, then yay, all this fighting can finally stop.xxDustmanxx

Right?I mean if evolution turns out to be the answer,christians will just say"The devil did it!!!".

It really doesnt matter,i just try to live life.I do wonder often though.

[QUOTE="thnickaman13"]See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?Insane00

My question is, why would we assume that a book originally written from an cultural oral history remembered by Abraham, Issac, and Jacobs ancestors would include an accurate account of the evolutionary process.

"And on the five hundred trillionth 24 hour period since the initial explosion that allowed the universe to for, God struck goo with lightning to bring it to life....And in the four billion, five hundred and sixtieth 365 count of 24 hour periods since the forming of the earth (since of course a day is an earth only measurement) an ancestor of mankind stepped out of the trees and began to walk on land..." And so forth.

I mean do we really believe that people would have understood that 3000+ years ago?

[QUOTE="thnickaman13"]See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?Insane00

My question is, why would we assume that a book originally written from an cultural oral history remembered by Abraham, Issac, and Jacobs ancestors would include an accurate account of the evolutionary process.

"And on the five hundred trillionth 24 hour period since the initial explosion that allowed the universe to for, God struck goo with lightning to bring it to life....And in the four billion, five hundred and sixtieth 365 count of 24 hour periods since the forming of the earth (since of course a day is an earth only measurement) an ancestor of mankind stepped out of the trees and began to walk on land..." And so forth.

I mean do we really believe that people would have understood that 3000+ years ago?

I don't know why, but I found this to be incredibly funny.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Ugh, who CARES if evolution is right or wrong? If it's right, then yay, it doesn't threaten Christian beliefs, and if it's wrong, then yay, all this fighting can finally stop.Ezgam3r

Right?I mean if evolution turns out to be the answer,christians will just say"The devil did it!!!".

It really doesnt matter,i just try to live life.I do wonder often though.

Yes i do,but the fact that the majority of christian that are mixing theories with their beliefs For the soul purpose of justifying their particular point of shows the rational instability of said beliefs.

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

xxDustmanxx

"the creationists are making us look retarded"

Wow I should sig that.

You tried arguing with a creationist, that was your first mistake.GettingTired

[QUOTE="thnickaman13"]See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?Insane00

My question is, why would we assume that a book originally written from an cultural oral history remembered by Abraham, Issac, and Jacobs ancestors would include an accurate account of the evolutionary process.

"And on the five hundred trillionth 24 hour period since the initial explosion that allowed the universe to for, God struck goo with lightning to bring it to life....And in the four billion, five hundred and sixtieth 365 count of 24 hour periods since the forming of the earth (since of course a day is an earth only measurement) an ancestor of mankind stepped out of the trees and began to walk on land..." And so forth.

I mean do we really believe that people would have understood that 3000+ years ago?

You dont really believ that god struck a build up of "goo" with lightning to form man,right?Im sure if god exists it would have found a better way to bring about the creation of man.

[QUOTE="Insane00"]

[QUOTE="thnickaman13"]See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?verparanoidpers

My question is, why would we assume that a book originally written from an cultural oral history remembered by Abraham, Issac, and Jacobs ancestors would include an accurate account of the evolutionary process.

"And on the five hundred trillionth 24 hour period since the initial explosion that allowed the universe to for, God struck goo with lightning to bring it to life....And in the four billion, five hundred and sixtieth 365 count of 24 hour periods since the forming of the earth (since of course a day is an earth only measurement) an ancestor of mankind stepped out of the trees and began to walk on land..." And so forth.

I mean do we really believe that people would have understood that 3000+ years ago?

Does the book of Numbers look like it was handed down orally?

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

xxDustmanxx

I can name three Atheists that have killed more people and caused more suffering than all religious conflict in the history of the world combined: Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung.

Now, did they kill because of atheism, or for other reasons?

Exactly.;)

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

Ezgam3r

They contribute to the percentage,remember i said "alot" not all.

Still doesnt mean that religion doesnt cause trouble,it just means its part of a legion of doom.

I just don't see why people have to fight over things. It's so immature. Let people believe in what they want to believe and they'll return the favor. It's called respect.Boring_Bland

Nobody is saying that people are not allowed to believe whatever they want. There is also nobody fighting over anything as far as I can tell. This is a critical discussion that is focused on a controversial issue. Don't you think it is a good idea to make a decision about something based on as much information as possible?

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Ugh, who CARES if evolution is right or wrong? If it's right, then yay, it doesn't threaten Christian beliefs, and if it's wrong, then yay, all this fighting can finally stop.xxDustmanxx

Right?I mean if evolution turns out to be the answer,christians will just say"The devil did it!!!".

It really doesnt matter,i just try to live life.I do wonder often though.

Yes i do,but the fact that the majority of christian that are mixing theories with their beliefs For the soul purpose of justifying their particular point of shows the rational instability of said beliefs.

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]You tried arguing with a creationist, that was your first mistake.verparanoidpers

[QUOTE="Insane00"]

[QUOTE="thnickaman13"]See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?xxDustmanxx

My question is, why would we assume that a book originally written from an cultural oral history remembered by Abraham, Issac, and Jacobs ancestors would include an accurate account of the evolutionary process.

"And on the five hundred trillionth 24 hour period since the initial explosion that allowed the universe to for, God struck goo with lightning to bring it to life....And in the four billion, five hundred and sixtieth 365 count of 24 hour periods since the forming of the earth (since of course a day is an earth only measurement) an ancestor of mankind stepped out of the trees and began to walk on land..." And so forth.

I mean do we really believe that people would have understood that 3000+ years ago?

You dont really believ that god struck a build up of "goo" with lightning to form man,right?Im sure if god exists it would have found a better way to bring about the creation of man.

Not necessarily.

[QUOTE="Boring_Bland"]I just don't see why people have to fight over things. It's so immature. Let people believe in what they want to believe and they'll return the favor. It's called respect.Decessus

Nobody is saying that people are not allowed to believe whatever they want. There is also nobody fighting over anything as far as I can tell. This is a critical discussion that is focused on a controversial issue. Don't you think it is a good idea to make a decision about something based on as much information as possible?

No. I actually see no point in this thread at all. It's not going to go anywhere. It's just going to turn in to a flame war. 100+ posts of nothing.

I just don't see why people have to fight over things. It's so immature. Let people believe in what they want to believe and they'll return the favor. It's called respect.Boring_Bland

[QUOTE="Insane00"]

[QUOTE="thnickaman13"]See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?xxDustmanxx

My question is, why would we assume that a book originally written from an cultural oral history remembered by Abraham, Issac, and Jacobs ancestors would include an accurate account of the evolutionary process.

"And on the five hundred trillionth 24 hour period since the initial explosion that allowed the universe to for, God struck goo with lightning to bring it to life....And in the four billion, five hundred and sixtieth 365 count of 24 hour periods since the forming of the earth (since of course a day is an earth only measurement) an ancestor of mankind stepped out of the trees and began to walk on land..." And so forth.

I mean do we really believe that people would have understood that 3000+ years ago?

You dont really believ that god struck a build up of "goo" with lightning to form man,right?Im sure if god exists it would have found a better way to bring about the creation of man.

For all those that laughed, good, this was supposed to be amusing.

this isn't supposed to be taken literally. We don't know how life came into being. We have theories, but none have been able to stand up to the tests of time as definitive. It could have been lightning, it could have been his "divine breath" But I think the point the TC is making is that:

A) In what way does evolution say that God doesn't exist? Just because it provides a means for the adaptation and change of animals over time in a way that doesn't force us to try to accept the "poof, and everything alive on earth came into being" does not mean that it denies God's existence. God could direct evolution, he could make sure life doesn't go extinct (a miricle in itself considering all that has happened on this planet.

OK, I gotta go, I'll continue this later.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Ugh, who CARES if evolution is right or wrong? If it's right, then yay, it doesn't threaten Christian beliefs, and if it's wrong, then yay, all this fighting can finally stop.Ezgam3r

Right?I mean if evolution turns out to be the answer,christians will just say"The devil did it!!!".

It really doesnt matter,i just try to live life.I do wonder often though.

Yes i do,but the fact that the majority of christian that are mixing theories with their beliefs For the soul purpose of justifying their particular point of shows the rational instability of said beliefs.

Whatever floats your boat,i dont give a dingos kydneys what you put in the blender,just dont offer me a glass.

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]You tried arguing with a creationist, that was your first mistake.JadedEagle04