I was in a debate with a creationist yesterday....

[QUOTE="Boring_Bland"]I just don't see why people have to fight over things. It's so immature. Let people believe in what they want to believe and they'll return the favor. It's called respect.verparanoidpers

*sigh...

[QUOTE="Boring_Bland"]I just don't see why people have to fight over things. It's so immature. Let people believe in what they want to believe and they'll return the favor. It's called respect.verparanoidpers

I take it, you misunderstand my post?

[QUOTE="Boring_Bland"]I just don't see why people have to fight over things. It's so immature. Let people believe in what they want to believe and they'll return the favor. It's called respect.verparanoidpers

I take it, you misunderstood my post?

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

Dracargen

I can name three Atheists that have killed more people and caused more suffering than all religious conflict in the history of the world combined: Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung.

Now, did they kill because of atheism, or for other reasons?

Exactly.;)

What you said is true but sadly some people DO kill etc. in the name of their religion...

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="Boring_Bland"]I don't see why people care so much about religonand creationism and stuff like that. In your everyday life, None of it matters. It doesnt even matter in the end(omg i sound like linken park).xxDustmanxx

Religion is a major aspect in the lives of many people. These people make decisions everyday based on what they believe, so I don't agree with you when you say that in everyday life it doesn't matter.

Making decisions based on flying ponies is a pretty dangerous way to take action.

I'm surprised the world hasn't burned to the ground.

Nobody believes in flying ponies. . . .

The world hasn't burned to the ground because religion keeps on throwing water on the flames. . .unfortunately, there are too many people of a particular belief system who keep knocking down the religious and lighting more matches.;)

[/QUOTE/]Really? Is that a fact? Or is that just something you like to spew around because it makes you feel all warm inside? Of course it's religion, it cannot be human greed and human characteristics and faults, it has to be religion because you said so.

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

xxDustmanxx

They contribute to the percentage,remember i said "alot" not all.

Still doesnt mean that religion doesnt cause trouble,it just means its part of a legion of doom.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

MindFreeze

I can name three Atheists that have killed more people and caused more suffering than all religious conflict in the history of the world combined: Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung.

Now, did they kill because of atheism, or for other reasons?

Exactly.;)

What you said is true but sadly some people DO kill etc. in the name of their religion...

Its not fame, money, power or religion that kills people its people who desire these things so much that kill people.

[QUOTE="Insane00"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Insane00"]

[QUOTE="thnickaman13"]See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?xxDustmanxx

My question is, why would we assume that a book originally written from an cultural oral history remembered by Abraham, Issac, and Jacobs ancestors would include an accurate account of the evolutionary process.

"And on the five hundred trillionth 24 hour period since the initial explosion that allowed the universe to for, God struck goo with lightning to bring it to life....And in the four billion, five hundred and sixtieth 365 count of 24 hour periods since the forming of the earth (since of course a day is an earth only measurement) an ancestor of mankind stepped out of the trees and began to walk on land..." And so forth.

I mean do we really believe that people would have understood that 3000+ years ago?

You dont really believ that god struck a build up of "goo" with lightning to form man,right?Im sure if god exists it would have found a better way to bring about the creation of man.

For all those that laughed, good, this was supposed to be amusing.

this isn't supposed to be taken literally. We don't know how life came into being. We have theories, but none have been able to stand up to the tests of time as definitive. It could have been lightning, it could have been his "divine breath" But I think the point the TC is making is that:

A) In what way does evolution say that God doesn't exist? Just because it provides a means for the adaptation and change of animals over time in a way that doesn't force us to try to accept the "poof, and everything alive on earth came into being" does not mean that it denies God's existence. God could direct evolution, he could make sure life doesn't go extinct (a miricle in itself considering all that has happened on this planet.

OK, I gotta go, I'll continue this later.

You're right,it doesn't disprove the existence of an intelligent creator,but it doesn't prove it either.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

MindFreeze

I can name three Atheists that have killed more people and caused more suffering than all religious conflict in the history of the world combined: Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung.

Now, did they kill because of atheism, or for other reasons?

Exactly.;)

What you said is true but sadly some people DO kill etc. in the name of their religion...

Perhaps, but if I were to kill in the name of, say, shoe advertising, does that mean shoe advertising made me do it, or does that mean I'm just trying to lay the blame on something beside myself?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

MindFreeze

I can name three Atheists that have killed more people and caused more suffering than all religious conflict in the history of the world combined: Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung.

Now, did they kill because of atheism, or for other reasons?

Exactly.;)

What you said is true but sadly some people DO kill etc. in the name of their religion...

Also true.

[QUOTE="JadedEagle04"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]You tried arguing with a creationist, that was your first mistake.verparanoidpers

[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

Dracargen

I can name three Atheists that have killed more people and caused more suffering than all religious conflict in the history of the world combined: Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung.

Now, did they kill because of atheism, or for other reasons?

Exactly.;)

What you said is true but sadly some people DO kill etc. in the name of their religion...

Perhaps, but if I were to kill in the name of, say, shoe advertising, does that mean shoe advertising made me do it, or does that mean I'm just trying to lay the blame on something beside myself?

I see your point,But then don't you think you creator would try its hardest to correct the misunderstanding rather than sit back relax,and wait for some bodies to end up in dumpster in downtown new-york city?

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="JadedEagle04"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]You tried arguing with a creationist, that was your first mistake.JadedEagle04

this is how it went down

Creationist 1: "evolution says we came from mokeys"

Me: "no, evolution says humans and apes share a common ancestor"

Creationist 1: "that's just something they made up for evolution to make more sense"

then another creationist gets the teacher involved, and he says that evolution says there is no God

are creationists really this ignorant about evolution? no wonder christianity is on the decline in america, the creationists are making us look retarded:o

verparanoidpers

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

xxDustmanxx

I can name three Atheists that have killed more people and caused more suffering than all religious conflict in the history of the world combined: Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung.

Now, did they kill because of atheism, or for other reasons?

Exactly.;)

What you said is true but sadly some people DO kill etc. in the name of their religion...

Perhaps, but if I were to kill in the name of, say, shoe advertising, does that mean shoe advertising made me do it, or does that mean I'm just trying to lay the blame on something beside myself?

I see your point,But then don't you think you creator would try its hardest to correct the misunderstanding rather than sit back relax,and wait for some bodies to end up in dumpster in downtown new-york city?

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I see your point,But then don't you think you creator would try its hardest to correct the misunderstanding rather than sit back relax,and wait for some bodies to end up in dumpster in downtown new-york city?

xxDustmanxx

Why God lets bad things happen, I don't know, but that doesn't mean bad things can't happen for good reasons.

Hypothetical: A terrorist is taking a bus to the airport, where he plans to kill thousands of people with a bomb. On the way, the bus crashes, killing a dozen people, including the terrorist. Now:

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

A dozen people died, but so did a terrorist, who would have killed thousands if given the chance.

Why do some parents let their kids get chickenpox? So that they don't get a lethal dose of it when they're older.

See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?thnickaman13

Dude, there is no chance in hell that you follow every rule in the damn Bible.

See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?thnickaman13

Dude, there is no way in hell that you follow every rule in the damn bible.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

Dracargen

I can name three Atheists that have killed more people and caused more suffering than all religious conflict in the history of the world combined: Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung.

Now, did they kill because of atheism, or for other reasons?

Exactly.;)

Pol Pot is the best name ever...

BTW, do you have any proof for your claims?

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][

I see your point,But then don't you think you creator would try its hardest to correct the misunderstanding rather than sit back relax,and wait for some bodies to end up in dumpster in downtown new-york city?

Dracargen

Why God lets bad things happen, I don't know, but that doesn't mean bad things can't happen for good reasons.

Hypothetical: A terrorist is taking a bus to the airport, where he plans to kill thousands of people with a bomb. On the way, the bus crashes, killing a dozen people, including the terrorist. Now:

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

A dozen people died, but so did a terrorist, who would have killed thousands if given the chance.

Why do some parents let their kids get chickenpox? So that they don't get a lethal dose of it when they're older.

Nomatter what,the killing of people isnt justified,you think you can run around saying people die cause god thinks they should,so people will learn a lesson.What kind of all powerful loving being is that?

Im sorry the gods written in mans books are all false,until we find out the truth people need to stop jumping to conclusions.

Evolution is a fact, or more accurately, a collection of facts that correlate with precision used to form an over-arching theory (not hypothesis) that is backed up by vast empirical evidence and numerous attempts to disprove it. Creationists don't like it because it challenges the first source they heard and don't like to re-evaluate things for their own.

Some christians don't like it because it pretty much eliminates all telological arguements. Paley, Aquinas, that can all go out the window now. It would be pretty hard to be an atheist, even if one only believed in an aristotlien non-interventionist prime cause and mover; such is the strength of telological arguements when one looks at the complexity of just a single organelle, let alone an organism.

If you don't already know of it, look up the debate between Bishop Samuel Wilberforce and Thomas Huxley.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][

I see your point,But then don't you think you creator would try its hardest to correct the misunderstanding rather than sit back relax,and wait for some bodies to end up in dumpster in downtown new-york city?

xxDustmanxx

Why God lets bad things happen, I don't know, but that doesn't mean bad things can't happen for good reasons.

Hypothetical: A terrorist is taking a bus to the airport, where he plans to kill thousands of people with a bomb. On the way, the bus crashes, killing a dozen people, including the terrorist. Now:

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

A dozen people died, but so did a terrorist, who would have killed thousands if given the chance.

Why do some parents let their kids get chickenpox? So that they don't get a lethal dose of it when they're older.

Nomatter what,the killing of people isnt justified,you think you can run around saying people die cause god thinks they should,so people will learn a lesson.What kind of all powerful loving being is that?

Im sorry the gods written in mans books are all false,until we find out the truth people need to stop jumping to conclusions.

Why is it never justified?

You would not kill to save your own life?

You would not kill to save the life of a loved one?

Why is it not unjustified? Because it;s an uncomfortable concept?

What's worse: The death of a few, or the death of thousands?

Would God be better if He didn't kill anybody, and just let people who would kill do their thing?

I don't see anybody jumping to conclusions except you. You jumped to the conclusion that all gods in boks are false.;)

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

Ezgam3r

They contribute to the percentage,remember i said "alot" not all.

Still doesnt mean that religion doesnt cause trouble,it just means its part of a legion of doom.

The Crusades, the Holocaust, ect. :|

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][

I see your point,But then don't you think you creator would try its hardest to correct the misunderstanding rather than sit back relax,and wait for some bodies to end up in dumpster in downtown new-york city?

Dracargen

Why God lets bad things happen, I don't know, but that doesn't mean bad things can't happen for good reasons.

Hypothetical: A terrorist is taking a bus to the airport, where he plans to kill thousands of people with a bomb. On the way, the bus crashes, killing a dozen people, including the terrorist. Now:

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

A dozen people died, but so did a terrorist, who would have killed thousands if given the chance.

Why do some parents let their kids get chickenpox? So that they don't get a lethal dose of it when they're older.

Nomatter what,the killing of people isnt justified,you think you can run around saying people die cause god thinks they should,so people will learn a lesson.What kind of all powerful loving being is that?

Im sorry the gods written in mans books are all false,until we find out the truth people need to stop jumping to conclusions.

Why is it never justified?

You would not kill to save your own life?

You would not kill to save the life of a loved one?

Why is it not unjustified? Because it;s an uncomfortable concept?

What's worse: The death of a few, or the death of thousands?

Would God be better if He didn't kill anybody, and just let people who would kill do their thing?

I don't see anybody jumping to conclusions except you. You jumped to the conclusion that all gods in boks are false.;)

I think Christiansbelieve in a little thing called free will.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][

I see your point,But then don't you think you creator would try its hardest to correct the misunderstanding rather than sit back relax,and wait for some bodies to end up in dumpster in downtown new-york city?

Dracargen

Why God lets bad things happen, I don't know, but that doesn't mean bad things can't happen for good reasons.

Hypothetical: A terrorist is taking a bus to the airport, where he plans to kill thousands of people with a bomb. On the way, the bus crashes, killing a dozen people, including the terrorist. Now:

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

A dozen people died, but so did a terrorist, who would have killed thousands if given the chance.

Why do some parents let their kids get chickenpox? So that they don't get a lethal dose of it when they're older.

Nomatter what,the killing of people isnt justified,you think you can run around saying people die cause god thinks they should,so people will learn a lesson.What kind of all powerful loving being is that?

Im sorry the gods written in mans books are all false,until we find out the truth people need to stop jumping to conclusions.

Why is it never justified?

You would not kill to save your own life?

You would not kill to save the life of a loved one?

Why is it not unjustified? Because it;s an uncomfortable concept?

What's worse: The death of a few, or the death of thousands?

Would God be better if He didn't kill anybody, and just let people who would kill do their thing?

I don't see anybody jumping to conclusions except you. You jumped to the conclusion that all gods in boks are false.;)

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][

I see your point,But then don't you think you creator would try its hardest to correct the misunderstanding rather than sit back relax,and wait for some bodies to end up in dumpster in downtown new-york city?

Dracargen

Why God lets bad things happen, I don't know, but that doesn't mean bad things can't happen for good reasons.

Hypothetical: A terrorist is taking a bus to the airport, where he plans to kill thousands of people with a bomb. On the way, the bus crashes, killing a dozen people, including the terrorist. Now:

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

A dozen people died, but so did a terrorist, who would have killed thousands if given the chance.

Why do some parents let their kids get chickenpox? So that they don't get a lethal dose of it when they're older.

Nomatter what,the killing of people isnt justified,you think you can run around saying people die cause god thinks they should,so people will learn a lesson.What kind of all powerful loving being is that?

Im sorry the gods written in mans books are all false,until we find out the truth people need to stop jumping to conclusions.

Why is it never justified?

You would not kill to save your own life?

You would not kill to save the life of a loved one?

Why is it not unjustified? Because it;s an uncomfortable concept?

What's worse: The death of a few, or the death of thousands?

Would God be better if He didn't kill anybody, and just let people who would kill do their thing?

I don't see anybody jumping to conclusions except you. You jumped to the conclusion that all gods in boks are false.;)

I suppose you think your clever?

To tell you the truth,if my loved one was in danger i would try the best i can to immobilize the perpetrator

rather than kill them.If it comes down to me killing someone over anything,i would feel horrible afterwords.

I didnt jump to any conclusions,based on research and rational thought,i have come to the PERSONAL conclusion that mans religions are false works written by primitive men trying to understand the world around them.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Alot of conflict and suffering in the world is due to religion.

helium_flash

I can name three Atheists that have killed more people and caused more suffering than all religious conflict in the history of the world combined: Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung.

Now, did they kill because of atheism, or for other reasons?

Exactly.;)

Pol Pot is the best name ever...

BTW, do you have any proof for your claims?

Pol Pot

Stalin

Mao

Note their kill counts.

The Crusades, the Holocaust, ect. :|

helium_flash

Niether of those were religious.:|

The Crusades were made in order to gain land that people wanted.

The holocaust. . . .wait, how in hell was the holocaust caused by religion?

I suppose you think your clever?

To tell you the truth,if my loved one was in danger i would try the best i can to immobilize the perpetrator

rather than kill them.If it comes down to me killing someone over anything,i would feel horrible afterwords.

I didnt jump to any conclusions,based on research and rational thought,i have come to the PERSONAL conclusion that mans religions are false works written by primitive men trying to understand the world around them.

xxDustmanxx

Really? Niether did I. :|

I came to my conclusions based on research and rational thought.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

The Crusades, the Holocaust, ect. :|

Decessus

Niether of those were religious.:|

The Crusades were made in order to gain land that people wanted.

The holocaust. . . .wait, how in hell was the holocaust caused by religion?

Religion may not have been the sole reason for the Crusades, but to deny its involvement is to be completely ignorant of history.

Oh, the crusades definitely had religion involved. . .but religion didn't cause them. Religion was used as a way t show the people that the people waging war were right; That it was what God willed instead of what man willed.

I didnt jump to any conclusions,based on research and rational thought,i have come to the PERSONAL conclusion that mans religions are false works written by primitive men trying to understand the world around them.

xxDustmanxx

until we find out the truth people need to stop jumping to conclusions.xxDustmanxx

Unless you somehow know the answer to the greatest questions in history, you contradicted yourself.

If you said "I believe" or "In my opinion" there wouldn't be a problem because thats your opinion and belief. But you said it as if it was fact.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

I suppose you think your clever?

To tell you the truth,if my loved one was in danger i would try the best i can to immobilize the perpetrator

rather than kill them.If it comes down to me killing someone over anything,i would feel horrible afterwords.

I didnt jump to any conclusions,based on research and rational thought,i have come to the PERSONAL conclusion that mans religions are false works written by primitive men trying to understand the world around them.

Dracargen

Really? Niether did I. :|

I came to my conclusions based on research and rational thought.

How can you possibly come to the conclusion that the christian god exists with rational thought?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

The Crusades, the Holocaust, ect. :|

Decessus

Niether of those were religious.:|

The Crusades were made in order to gain land that people wanted.

The holocaust. . . .wait, how in hell was the holocaust caused by religion?

Religion may not have been the sole reason for the Crusades, but to deny its involvement is to be completely ignorant of history.

How can you possibly come to the conclusion that the christian god exists with rational thought?

xxDustmanxx

The same way people do it all the time.:|

I don't blindly follow everything in the Bible. . .the Bible tells me not to.;)

"Test everything, and hold on to the good."

Do you honestly think I just jumped to Christianity, that I know nothing about other religions? Do you think I was always religious?

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

I didnt jump to any conclusions,based on research and rational thought,i have come to the PERSONAL conclusion that mans religions are false works written by primitive men trying to understand the world around them.

Ezgam3r

until we find out the truth people need to stop jumping to conclusions.xxDustmanxx

Unless you somehow know the answer to the greatest questions in history, you contradicted yourself.

If you said "I believe" or "In my opinion" there wouldn't be a problem because thats your opinion and belief. But you said it as if it was fact.

You are right,i shouldnt jump to conclusions either,i am agnostic,but for me mans religions just dont cut it.Anyway,ive long since stopped thinking of such thingsmright now im trying to get my life back together.

Maybe ill know when im dead?

Oh, the crusades definitely had religion involved. . .but religion didn't cause them. Religion was used as a way t show the people that the people waging war were right; That it was what God willed instead of what man willed.

Dracargen

So if the Muslims had not conquered Jerusalem, do you believe the Crusades would still have happened?

See, some Christians (like me) read the bible as a literal rundown of what happened, whereas others (like you, I guess) don't interperet it literally. My question is, why would you write a non-fiction book if you didn't want it interpereted literally?thnickaman13

So, do you always wear clothes of the same fabric?

alright decessus, If I killed a person because I said you told me to, would that make you responsible?verparanoidpers

Of course not, but I am not a system of beliefs. Religion is.

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"] alright decessus, If I killed a person because I said you told me to, would that make you responsible?Decessus

Of course not, but I am not a system of beliefs. Religion is.

[QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"] alright decessus, If I killed a person because I said you told me to, would that make you responsible?verparanoidpers

Of course not, but I am not a system of beliefs. Religion is.

No it wouldnt,the fault would be yours.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Oh, the crusades definitely had religion involved. . .but religion didn't cause them. Religion was used as a way t show the people that the people waging war were right; That it was what God willed instead of what man willed.

Decessus

So if the Muslims had not conquered Jerusalem, do you believe the Crusades would still have happened?

I don't know. I can't see what would have happened in an alternate timeline.

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"] alright decessus, If I killed a person because I said you told me to, would that make you responsible?xxDustmanxx

Of course not, but I am not a system of beliefs. Religion is.

No it wouldnt,the fault would be yours.

could you give me a verse out of the bible that could support the crusades?

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"] alright decessus, If I killed a person because I said you told me to, would that make you responsible?xxDustmanxx

Of course not, but I am not a system of beliefs. Religion is.

No it wouldnt,the fault would be yours.

The same applies to religion (unless, of course, the religion demands that people be killed for so and so reason. . .then the religion is at fault).

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"] alright decessus, If I killed a person because I said you told me to, would that make you responsible?Dracargen

Of course not, but I am not a system of beliefs. Religion is.

No it wouldnt,the fault would be yours.

The same applies to religion (unless, of course, the religion demands that people be killed for so and so reason. . .then the religion is at fault).

There are several verses in the bible(old testament)that demand the killing of people.

Just putting that out there...

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"] alright decessus, If I killed a person because I said you told me to, would that make you responsible?xxDustmanxx

Of course not, but I am not a system of beliefs. Religion is.

No it wouldnt,the fault would be yours.

I concur. How can anything be blamed because people misenterpret it? I mean to say that evolution says nothing about ethics; any influence is from the reader alone, so he /she is naturally culpable.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"] alright decessus, If I killed a person because I said you told me to, would that make you responsible?xxDustmanxx

Of course not, but I am not a system of beliefs. Religion is.

No it wouldnt,the fault would be yours.

The same applies to religion (unless, of course, the religion demands that people be killed for so and so reason. . .then the religion is at fault).

There are several verses in the bible(old testament)that demand the killing of people.

Just putting that out there...

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"] alright decessus, If I killed a person because I said you told me to, would that make you responsible?verparanoidpers

Of course not, but I am not a system of beliefs. Religion is.

No it wouldnt,the fault would be yours.

The same applies to religion (unless, of course, the religion demands that people be killed for so and so reason. . .then the religion is at fault).

There are several verses in the bible(old testament)that demand the killing of people.

Just putting that out there...

So the PERFECT god decide to change its mind?I thought people changed their minds when mistaken,that would make the christian god very well human,only providing evidence to show that the christian god did not create man,but that man created god.

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="verparanoidpers"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"] alright decessus, If I killed a person because I said you told me to, would that make you responsible?xxDustmanxx

Of course not, but I am not a system of beliefs. Religion is.

No it wouldnt,the fault would be yours.

The same applies to religion (unless, of course, the religion demands that people be killed for so and so reason. . .then the religion is at fault).

There are several verses in the bible(old testament)that demand the killing of people.

Just putting that out there...

So the PERFECT god decide to change its mind?I thought people changed their minds when mistaken,that would make the christian god very well human,only providing evidence to show that the christian god did not create man,but that man created god.