If murder is illegal, why isn't abortion?

It's the same thing, only different circumstances.

because abortion isn't murder. To murder that thing you are murdering has to be a sentient being. A bunch of cells in a womb does not a sentient being make.

because abortion isn't murder. To murder that thing you are murdering has to be a sentient being. A bunch of cells in a womb does not a sentient being make.

BumFluff122

Abortion is ending the life of another living being, is that not murder?

Same with the death penalty

A collection of cells isn't a person, so you can't define it as murder.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

because abortion isn't murder. To murder that thing you are murdering has to be a sentient being. A bunch of cells in a womb does not a sentient being make.

megahaloman64

Abortion is ending the life of another living being, is that not murder?

I killed thousands, if not millions of bacteria when I washed my hand a few seconds ago, am I a murderer?

A collection of cells isn't a person, so you can't define it as murder.

ProudLarry

You and I are a collection of cells

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

because abortion isn't murder. To murder that thing you are murdering has to be a sentient being. A bunch of cells in a womb does not a sentient being make.

megahaloman64

Abortion is ending the life of another living being, is that not murder?

A fetus isn't a human in the same way that a seed is not a flower. Different things warrant different rules.

[QUOTE="ProudLarry"]

A collection of cells isn't a person, so you can't define it as murder.

megahaloman64

an animal isn't a person, and if you kill it is that murder?

Because the law will always be ambiguous since morality itself is also ambiguous.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

because abortion isn't murder. To murder that thing you are murdering has to be a sentient being. A bunch of cells in a womb does not a sentient being make.

megahaloman64

Abortion is ending the life of another living being, is that not murder?

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

because abortion isn't murder. To murder that thing you are murdering has to be a sentient being. A bunch of cells in a womb does not a sentient being make.

megahaloman64

Abortion is ending the life of another living being, is that not murder?

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

because abortion isn't murder. To murder that thing you are murdering has to be a sentient being. A bunch of cells in a womb does not a sentient being make.

BumFluff122

Abortion is ending the life of another living being, is that not murder?

I don't really like abortion either, but why do you want to make it illegal? Why do you want to tell a woman she can't have an abortion?

If murder is illegal, why isn't capital punishment?

[QUOTE="ProudLarry"]

A collection of cells isn't a person, so you can't define it as murder.

effena

You and I are a collection of cells

How do you compare terminating a bunch of cells with killing a person in cold blood?

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

because abortion isn't murder. To murder that thing you are murdering has to be a sentient being. A bunch of cells in a womb does not a sentient being make.

GodofBigMacs

Abortion is ending the life of another living being, is that not murder?

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

Abortion is ending the life of another living being, is that not murder?

ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

Abortion is ending the life of another living being, is that not murder?

ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

because abortion isn't murder. To murder that thing you are murdering has to be a sentient being. A bunch of cells in a womb does not a sentient being make.

Abortion is ending the life of another living being, is that not murder?

I killed thousands, if not millions of bacteria when I washed my hand a few seconds ago, am I a murderer?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]since when is an embryo a living being? It isn't living until it's sentient.

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="effena"]

[QUOTE="ProudLarry"]

A collection of cells isn't a person, so you can't define it as murder.

ProudLarry

You and I are a collection of cells

People in permanent vegatative states (PVS) are not conscious beings like you or I, am I allowed to kill them?

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] If I am unconscious, that doesn't mean I'm not a human being.ghoklebutter

Same with the death penalty

effena

true we should put criminals on a island far away from civilization.

and it is murder if u do abortion. ur killing a living human

And, because the abortion legislation in my country says that a woman can have one up until the 24th week of pregnancy. Simple, no?

edit: in the US, Roe v Wade, constitutional, etc

Seriously...why are you even having this discussion? It's Harshin the forum mellow, dudes:roll:

Abortion should be illigeal. A babies heart starts beating after about 3-4 weeks. That means it is ALIVE. Think about this when your heart stops beating that is when your considered dead right? So would you not be alive when your heart starts beating? Yeah try to think of an argument for that...

It's not a fetus it's a baby, it'd be the same as ifsomebody went into a hospital and killed all the newborn babies. I'm sorry to say but if you support abortion, YOU SUPPORT MURDER, so stop!

[QUOTE="effena"]

Same with the death penalty

true we should put criminals on a island far away from civilization.

and it is murder if u do abortion. ur killing a living human

[QUOTE="effena"]

Same with the death penalty

hiphopballer

true we should put criminals on a island far away from civilization.

and it is murder if u do abortion. ur killing a living human

true we should put criminals on a island far away from civilization.

hiphopballer

We have things called prisons.

[QUOTE="ProudLarry"]

[QUOTE="effena"]

You and I are a collection of cells

uhoh_hotdogs

People in permanent vegatative states (PVS) are not conscious beings like you or I, am I allowed to kill them?

Abortion should be illigeal. A babies heart starts beating after about 3-4 weeks. That means it is ALIVE. Think about this when your heart stops beating that is when your considered dead right? So would you not be alive when your heart starts beating? Yeah try to think of an argument for that...

It's not a fetus it's a baby, it'd be the same as ifsomebody went into a hospital and killed all the newborn babies. I'm sorry to say but if you support abortion, YOU SUPPORT MURDER, so stop!

Abortion should be illigeal. A babies heart starts beating after about 3-4 weeks. That means it is ALIVE. Think about this when your heart stops beating that is when your considered dead right? So would you not be alive when your heart starts beating? Yeah try to think of an argument for that...

It's not a fetus it's a baby, it'd be the same as ifsomebody went into a hospital and killed all the newborn babies. I'm sorry to say but if you support abortion, YOU SUPPORT MURDER, so stop!

RAGINGxPONY

Abortion should be illigeal. A babies heart starts beating after about 3-4 weeks. That means it is ALIVE. Think about this when your heart stops beating that is when your considered dead right? So would you not be alive when your heart starts beating? Yeah try to think of an argument for that...

It's not a fetus it's a baby, it'd be the same as ifsomebody went into a hospital and killed all the newborn babies. I'm sorry to say but if you support abortion, YOU SUPPORT MURDER, so stop!

RAGINGxPONY

And no. You are considered alive when your brain functions therefor enabling your heart to start beating. The heart is just a muscel that is used too pump blood around yoru system.

It's the same thing, only different circumstances.

megahaloman64

[QUOTE="uhoh_hotdogs"]

[QUOTE="ProudLarry"]

Touche' But my point was that a 2 month old embryo isn't a "person" and not a conscious being like you or I.

ProudLarry

People in permanent vegatative states (PVS) are not conscious beings like you or I, am I allowed to kill them?

Okay then.

if abortion is legal why isn't euthanasia?

abortion = killing someone else to make YOUR life easier

euthanasia = killing yourself/loved one to make their "life" easier

Abortion should be illigeal. A babies heart starts beating after about 3-4 weeks. That means it is ALIVE. Think about this when your heart stops beating that is when your considered dead right? So would you not be alive when your heart starts beating? Yeah try to think of an argument for that...

It's not a fetus it's a baby, it'd be the same as ifsomebody went into a hospital and killed all the newborn babies. I'm sorry to say but if you support abortion, YOU SUPPORT MURDER, so stop!

RAGINGxPONY

The baby is still not well developed enough to survive without being attached the mother. It is not yet an independent living organism. It is not yet sentient so you cannot call aborting it murder.

Pro-choice is not pro-abortion. I am against abortion but I support the fact that people should have the choice to have an abortion if they wish.

[QUOTE="effena"]

[QUOTE="ProudLarry"]

A collection of cells isn't a person, so you can't define it as murder.

ProudLarry

You and I are a collection of cells

An embryo is nothing more then a stage in human development. A child is not a teenager yet do we deny thathe/she is a human? A teenager is not elderly yet do we deny thathe/she is a human? Law of biogenics my friend. When two creatures of one species reproduce they create something of their species. Two dogs do not create a cat that develops into a dog later in its life.

Abortion should be illigeal. A babies heart starts beating after about 3-4 weeks. That means it is ALIVE. Think about this when your heart stops beating that is when your considered dead right? So would you not be alive when your heart starts beating? Yeah try to think of an argument for that...

It's not a fetus it's a baby, it'd be the same as ifsomebody went into a hospital and killed all the newborn babies. I'm sorry to say but if you support abortion, YOU SUPPORT MURDER, so stop!

RAGINGxPONY

Abortion should be illigeal. A babies heart starts beating after about 3-4 weeks. That means it is ALIVE. Think about this when your heart stops beating that is when your considered dead right? So would you not be alive when your heart starts beating? Yeah try to think of an argument for that...

It's not a fetus it's a baby, it'd be the same as ifsomebody went into a hospital and killed all the newborn babies. I'm sorry to say but if you support abortion, YOU SUPPORT MURDER, so stop!

RAGINGxPONY

I will never get people that say aborthion is murder. And besides would it be better for that baby to born even tough his parents didnt wanted? if they want to abort, that means they dont want the kid, why still bring him to this world ? to have a crappy life? Drakes_Fortune

This is where someone argues that they are free to give the child up for adoption. *Argues*

if abortion is legal why isn't euthanasia?

abortion = killing someone else to make YOUR life easier

euthanasia = killing yourself/loved one to make their "life" easier

Abortion should be illigeal. A babies heart starts beating after about 3-4 weeks. That means it is ALIVE. Think about this when your heart stops beating that is when your considered dead right? So would you not be alive when your heart starts beating? Yeah try to think of an argument for that...

It's not a fetus it's a baby, it'd be the same as ifsomebody went into a hospital and killed all the newborn babies. I'm sorry to say but if you support abortion, YOU SUPPORT MURDER, so stop!

RAGINGxPONY

At that point in development, the fetus doesn't have a head. People who don't have heads are considered dead right?

But anyways it doesn't matter since you can't legally define when something is alive or not.

Murder implies intent. The intent of abortion isn't to kill something, it's to remove the fetus from your body.

if abortion is legal why isn't euthanasia?

abortion = killing someone else to make YOUR life easier

euthanasia = killing yourself/loved one to make their "life" easier

Brainkiller05