im curious as to why so many people on a VIDEO GAME site advocate Communism?

communism requires a huge government to do the things it advocates. without the police state, its not possible. H8sMikeMoore

people like playing the soviet union in C&C red alert mabey?markebici

Rolf.

i don't think people truely understand communism, education might be brainwashing them again. (joking don't take that serious)

How dare you insult me!

[spoiler] I'm not really a communist... I just play one on TV [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Communism has failed everywhere it has been.
Engrish_Major

False.

What communist country is flourishing then? What communist country is a haven of love, compassion and social evolution? All communist countries so far have been little more than places of social control and stunted social growth. Financially a few communist countries may be doing well (china), but if you ask the people of that nation how well they are cared for I doubt youre gonna get anything warm and fuzzy out of them.

Communism is a failed idea, at this point at least. I highly doubt that this will ever change unless they can figure out how to turn humans in to worker bee automatons...

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Communism has failed everywhere it has been.
jer_1

False.

What communist country is flourishing then? What communist country is a haven of love, compassion and social evolution? All communist countries so far have been little more than places of social control and stunted social growth. Financially a few communist countries may be doing well (china), but if you ask the people of that nation how well they are cared for I doubt youre gonna get anything warm and fuzzy out of them.

Communism is a failed idea, at this point at least. I highly doubt that this will ever change unless they can figure out how to turn humans in to worker bee automatons...

As far as vast communist dictatorships, you are correct, for the most part. However, socialism is still very strong in Northern and Western Europe, as well as many countries in South America.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Communism has failed everywhere it has been.
jer_1

False.

What communist country is flourishing then? What communist country is a haven of love, compassion and social evolution? All communist countries so far have been little more than places of social control and stunted social growth. Financially a few communist countries may be doing well (china), but if you ask the people of that nation how well they are cared for I doubt youre gonna get anything warm and fuzzy out of them.

Communism is a failed idea, at this point at least. I highly doubt that this will ever change unless they can figure out how to turn humans in to worker bee automatons...

What Capitalsit country is flourishing then?

I see many were the majority are exploited.

I'd just call it ignorance.fidosim

What Capitalsit country is flourishing then?roryrc

[QUOTE="roryrc"]What Capitalsit country is flourishing then?Hom3_Pwn3r

Actually, if you want to know whos economy is doing the best right now, look at China.

What communist country is a haven of love, compassion and social evolution?

jer_1

aside from San Francisco, there's no place period that is like that.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Communism has failed everywhere it has been.
jer_1

False.

What communist country is flourishing then?

[QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Communism has failed everywhere it has been.
roryrc

False.

What communist country is flourishing then? What communist country is a haven of love, compassion and social evolution? All communist countries so far have been little more than places of social control and stunted social growth. Financially a few communist countries may be doing well (china), but if you ask the people of that nation how well they are cared for I doubt youre gonna get anything warm and fuzzy out of them.

Communism is a failed idea, at this point at least. I highly doubt that this will ever change unless they can figure out how to turn humans in to worker bee automatons...

What Capitalsit country is flourishing then?

I see many were the majority are exploited.

America WAS generating 3/4 of the worlds wealth, which subsequently spread across the globe. Much of this deteriorated because of foolish investments, damaging laws, and because of many actions being taken by some of the largest companies in the world. I'm not a staunch supporter of any corporation mind you, I feel little but animosity against most. The original intent of America was true freedom and liberty, this is what I stand behind (our constitution). That original intent was what allowed America to succeed where so many had failed.

[QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"][QUOTE="roryrc"]What Capitalsit country is flourishing then?Engrish_Major

Actually, if you want to know whos economy is doing the best right now, look at China.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"][QUOTE="roryrc"]What Capitalsit country is flourishing then?Hom3_Pwn3r

Actually, if you want to know whos economy is doing the best right now, look at China.

Yes it does. Unrestrained capitalism has caused a massive downturn of the western economies that embraced it.

I'm a socialist. You obviously don't know a whole lot about communism if you think that people can just will themselves away from participating in capitalist enterprises.bman784

clearly you dont.

[QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"][QUOTE="roryrc"]What Capitalsit country is flourishing then?Engrish_Major

Actually, if you want to know whos economy is doing the best right now, look at China.

Yes it does. Unrestrained capitalism has caused a massive downturn of the western economies that embraced it.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"][QUOTE="roryrc"]What Capitalsit country is flourishing then?Hom3_Pwn3r

Actually, if you want to know whos economy is doing the best right now, look at China.

Yes it does. Unrestrained capitalism has caused a massive downturn of the western economies that embraced it.

That's not what I said. I was talking about the economies relative to each other.

Because democracy is the new socialism and people just don't realize it.

[QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"][QUOTE="roryrc"]What Capitalsit country is flourishing then?Engrish_Major

Actually, if you want to know whos economy is doing the best right now, look at China.

Yes it does. Unrestrained capitalism has caused a massive downturn of the western economies that embraced it.

That's not what I said. I was talking about the economies relative to each other.

[QUOTE="roryrc"][QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Communism has failed everywhere it has been.
jer_1

False.

What communist country is flourishing then? What communist country is a haven of love, compassion and social evolution? All communist countries so far have been little more than places of social control and stunted social growth. Financially a few communist countries may be doing well (china), but if you ask the people of that nation how well they are cared for I doubt youre gonna get anything warm and fuzzy out of them.

Communism is a failed idea, at this point at least. I highly doubt that this will ever change unless they can figure out how to turn humans in to worker bee automatons...

What Capitalsit country is flourishing then?

I see many were the majority are exploited.

America WAS generating 3/4 of the worlds wealth, which subsequently spread across the globe. Much of this deteriorated because of foolish investments, damaging laws, and because of many actions being taken by some of the largest companies in the world. I'm not a staunch supporter of any corporation mind you, I feel little but animosity against most. The original intent of America was true freedom and liberty, this is what I stand behind (our constitution). That original intent was what allowed America to succeed where so many had failed.

But having all this freedom just leads to big corporations and business using that freedom to exploit the poor.

great for you, but what does that have to do with my original post and the original post i quoted?Hom3_Pwn3r

:roll: nothing, you didn't even answer his question anyway.

[QUOTE="Hom3_Pwn3r"]
great for you, but what does that have to do with my original post and the original post i quoted?Engrish_Major

:roll: nothing, you didn't even answer his question anyway.

How would communism or socialism hinder the development and advancement of games?

oh sorry my message was on topic my bad :P

[QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="roryrc"][QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Communism has failed everywhere it has been.
roryrc

False.

What communist country is flourishing then? What communist country is a haven of love, compassion and social evolution? All communist countries so far have been little more than places of social control and stunted social growth. Financially a few communist countries may be doing well (china), but if you ask the people of that nation how well they are cared for I doubt youre gonna get anything warm and fuzzy out of them.

Communism is a failed idea, at this point at least. I highly doubt that this will ever change unless they can figure out how to turn humans in to worker bee automatons...

What Capitalsit country is flourishing then?

I see many were the majority are exploited.

America WAS generating 3/4 of the worlds wealth, which subsequently spread across the globe. Much of this deteriorated because of foolish investments, damaging laws, and because of many actions being taken by some of the largest companies in the world. I'm not a staunch supporter of any corporation mind you, I feel little but animosity against most. The original intent of America was true freedom and liberty, this is what I stand behind (our constitution). That original intent was what allowed America to succeed where so many had failed.

But having all this freedom just leads to big corporations and business using that freedom to exploit the poor.

first time i heard someone say freedom is bad. wow. just wow

first time i heard someone say freedom is bad. wow. just wow

H8sMikeMoore

Giving corporations complete freedom IS bad.

How would communism or socialism hinder the development and advancement of games?

oh sorry my message was on topic my bad :P

JackMcSexbeard

its not about socialism.

in communism theres no economic competition, which fuels video game development. Theres no way that a communist government is going to have people dedicate so much time to something like a video game. In capitalism, peoples desires dictate whats best it allows people to have everything they want and then some. which is super schweet

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

first time i heard someone say freedom is bad. wow. just wow

Engrish_Major

Giving corporations complete freedom IS bad.

not really.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

first time i heard someone say freedom is bad. wow. just wow

H8sMikeMoore

Giving corporations complete freedom IS bad.

not really.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

first time i heard someone say freedom is bad. wow. just wow

H8sMikeMoore

Giving corporations complete freedom IS bad.

not really.

Monopolies, low wages and benefits, safety hazards, ethical practice, environmental stewardship, all of these things and others have to be enforced by the government. These practices have been evolving since the industrial revolution in order to protect the people. Read "Wealth of Nations" or "The Jungle".

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"]

How would communism or socialism hinder the development and advancement of games?

oh sorry my message was on topic my bad :P

H8sMikeMoore

its not about socialism.

in communism theres no economic competition, which fuels video game development. Theres no way that a communist government is going to have people dedicate so much time to something like a video game. In capitalism, peoples desires dictate whats best it allows people to have everything they want and then some. which is super schweet

So... what the deveolpers of video games dont enjoy what they do enough to make progress and make fun games, if they didnt then no one would buy them even in a communistic society. Miyamoto wouldnt stop making mario and kojima wouldnt stop making metal gear and the progress of fun games would not be stinted. The government is not going to tell people what to do.\, in a pure communistic society it wouldnt do that, it would go against what it stands for so I dont see what the problem is. They would still be able to spend as much time as they wanted to on the game

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

first time i heard someone say freedom is bad. wow. just wow

H8sMikeMoore

Giving corporations complete freedom IS bad.

not really.

A governments concern lies, or should lie with the people

A corporation's concerns lie only with profit

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

first time i heard someone say freedom is bad. wow. just wow

JackMcSexbeard

Giving corporations complete freedom IS bad.

not really.

A governments concern lies, or should lie with the people

A corporation's concerns lie only with profit

exactly SHOULD lie with the people, but usually dosent... politicians are more or less interested in controlling these days. if society dosent agree with a corporation, then when their profits are low then they HAVE to change in order to survive

corporations are BETTER than governments.

corporations are BETTER than governments.

H8sMikeMoore

I usually agree with exactly the opposite.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"]

How would communism or socialism hinder the development and advancement of games?

oh sorry my message was on topic my bad :P

JackMcSexbeard

its not about socialism.

in communism theres no economic competition, which fuels video game development. Theres no way that a communist government is going to have people dedicate so much time to something like a video game. In capitalism, peoples desires dictate whats best it allows people to have everything they want and then some. which is super schweet

So... what the deveolpers of video games dont enjoy what they do enough to make progress and make fun games, if they didnt then no one would buy them even in a communistic society. Miyamoto wouldnt stop making mario and kojima wouldnt stop making metal gear and the progress of fun games would not be stinted. The government is not going to tell people what to do.\, in a pure communistic society it wouldnt do that, it would go against what it stands for so I dont see what the problem is. They would still be able to spend as much time as they wanted to on the game

they might make a video game of some sort. but im saying you're not going to get lets say: Gears of War and you certainly will not get anything unique or interesting. Thats liek assuming a normal everyday person is going to make a game of that calibur. the reason a game like gears of war is so good is because they said to themselves "we HAVE to be better, we HAVE to make a ton of money"

you cant "buy" in a communist society.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

corporations are BETTER than governments.

Engrish_Major

I usually agree with exactly the opposite.

then i feel bad for you. Thats possibly why america is so messed up right now. Governments rarely ever help anyone outside of military presence

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

first time i heard someone say freedom is bad. wow. just wow

H8sMikeMoore

Giving corporations complete freedom IS bad.

not really.

A governments concern lies, or should lie with the people

A corporation's concerns lie only with profit

exactly SHOULD lie with the people, but usually dosent... politicians are more or less interested in controlling these days. if society dosent agree with a corporation, then when their profits are low then they HAVE to change in order to survive

corporations are BETTER than governments.

they might make a video game of some sort. but im saying you're not going to get lets say: Gears of War and you certainly will not get anything unique or interesting. Thats liek assuming a normal everyday person is going to make a game of that calibur. the reason a game like gears of war is so good is because they said to themselves "we HAVE to be better, we HAVE to make a ton of money"

you cant "buy" in a communist society.

H8sMikeMoore

There have actually been a few very good games coming out of eastern Europe lately.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

first time i heard someone say freedom is bad. wow. just wow

Mr_sprinkles

Giving corporations complete freedom IS bad.

not really.

A governments concern lies, or should lie with the people

A corporation's concerns lie only with profit

exactly SHOULD lie with the people, but usually dosent... politicians are more or less interested in controlling these days. if society dosent agree with a corporation, then when their profits are low then they HAVE to change in order to survive

corporations are BETTER than governments.

prove it. because i highly doubt you're even out of high school.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

corporations are BETTER than governments.

H8sMikeMoore

I usually agree with exactly the opposite.

then i feel bad for you. Thats possibly why america is so messed up right now. Governments rarely ever help anyone outside of military presence

Really? I went to a public school, which set me up for a successful lifestyle. I drive on public roads, which are some of the best in the world. The fire dept seems to be doing its job as well... there are many more examples of 'socialist' programs which help us each and every day.

if society dosent agree with a corporation, then when their profits are low then they HAVE to change in order to survive

H8sMikeMoore

not always. corporations aren't stupid. it's not uncommon to see trusts form in that all of them are screwing you instead of just one.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

they might make a video game of some sort. but im saying you're not going to get lets say: Gears of War and you certainly will not get anything unique or interesting. Thats liek assuming a normal everyday person is going to make a game of that calibur. the reason a game like gears of war is so good is because they said to themselves "we HAVE to be better, we HAVE to make a ton of money"

you cant "buy" in a communist society.

Engrish_Major

There have actually been a few very good games coming out of eastern Europe lately.

theyre not communist HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

if society dosent agree with a corporation, then when their profits are low then they HAVE to change in order to survive

Hewkii

not always. corporations aren't stupid. it's not uncommon to see trusts form in that all of them are screwing you instead of just one.

then you support small business. easy.

theyre not communist HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

H8sMikeMoore

though Russia was when Tetris was invented.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

corporations are BETTER than governments.

Engrish_Major

I usually agree with exactly the opposite.

then i feel bad for you. Thats possibly why america is so messed up right now. Governments rarely ever help anyone outside of military presence

Really? I went to a public school, which set me up for a successful lifestyle. I drive on public roads, which are some of the best in the world. The fire dept seems to be doing its job as well... there are many more examples of 'socialist' programs which help us each and every day.

private schools on average do better than public

the reason most european schools (for example finalnd) are better than our schools is because they have competitive education

roads? come to pa and tell me that

I win. Try again?

They dont help

I belive greatly in communism. Its a great idea. We just need someone to carry it out properly who won't be corupted by power.mattyftm

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

they might make a video game of some sort. but im saying you're not going to get lets say: Gears of War and you certainly will not get anything unique or interesting. Thats liek assuming a normal everyday person is going to make a game of that calibur. the reason a game like gears of war is so good is because they said to themselves "we HAVE to be better, we HAVE to make a ton of money"

you cant "buy" in a communist society.

H8sMikeMoore

There have actually been a few very good games coming out of eastern Europe lately.

theyre not communist HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Very mature. How about Tetris, one of the most popular games EVER?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

theyre not communist HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hewkii

though Russia was when Tetris was invented.

yeah it was. but how many games came out of russia that were good? Tetris is relatively simple, and i already pointed that out.