im curious as to why so many people on a VIDEO GAME site advocate Communism?

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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

they might make a video game of some sort. but im saying you're not going to get lets say: Gears of War and you certainly will not get anything unique or interesting. Thats liek assuming a normal everyday person is going to make a game of that calibur. the reason a game like gears of war is so good is because they said to themselves "we HAVE to be better, we HAVE to make a ton of money"

you cant "buy" in a communist society.

Engrish_Major

There have actually been a few very good games coming out of eastern Europe lately.

theyre not communist HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Very mature. How about Tetris, one of the most popular games EVER?

Tetris came from a "communist" country?
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

they might make a video game of some sort. but im saying you're not going to get lets say: Gears of War and you certainly will not get anything unique or interesting. Thats liek assuming a normal everyday person is going to make a game of that calibur. the reason a game like gears of war is so good is because they said to themselves "we HAVE to be better, we HAVE to make a ton of money"

you cant "buy" in a communist society.

Engrish_Major

There have actually been a few very good games coming out of eastern Europe lately.

theyre not communist HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Very mature. How about Tetris, one of the most popular games EVER?

okay so lets do a comparison

Japan/America vs Russia

Russia: Tetris

I dont even want to make the list for the other two.

russia made tetris right but thats where its different. tetris CAN be made by one person. games today arent not able to be done. if you bothered to read anything ive said earlier you wouldnt have made that post and made yourself look dumb

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[QUOTE="mattyftm"]I belive greatly in communism. Its a great idea. We just need someone to carry it out properly who won't be corupted by power.linkthewindow
And power corrupts. Your point?

exactly why no government should be valued over a corporation. corporations are weak in comparison

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

they might make a video game of some sort. but im saying you're not going to get lets say: Gears of War and you certainly will not get anything unique or interesting. Thats liek assuming a normal everyday person is going to make a game of that calibur. the reason a game like gears of war is so good is because they said to themselves "we HAVE to be better, we HAVE to make a ton of money"

you cant "buy" in a communist society.

H8sMikeMoore

There have actually been a few very good games coming out of eastern Europe lately.

theyre not communist HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Very mature. How about Tetris, one of the most popular games EVER?

okay so lets do a comparison

Japan/America vs Russia

Russia: Tetris

I dont even want to make the list for the other two.

russia made tetris right but thats where its different. tetris CAN be made by one person. games today arent not able to be done. if you bothered to read anything ive said earlier you wouldnt have made that post and made yourself look dumb

Can you even have a civilized debate without resorting to personal attacks? How many have you made on this page alone? I prefer debating with adults. Peace out...

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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

first time i heard someone say freedom is bad. wow. just wow

H8sMikeMoore

Giving corporations complete freedom IS bad.

not really.

A governments concern lies, or should lie with the people

A corporation's concerns lie only with profit

exactly SHOULD lie with the people, but usually dosent... politicians are more or less interested in controlling these days. if society dosent agree with a corporation, then when their profits are low then they HAVE to change in order to survive

corporations are BETTER than governments.

It doesn't work like that in the real world.

prove it. because i highly doubt you're even out of high school.

Back during the days of the industrial revolution the corporations were free to do prettymuch as they pleased. I wonder what the working conditions were like?

Over in places like vietnam and china where there are few regulations, you get sweat shops. surely because society doesn't agree with sweat shops, such things should never exist?

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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

they might make a video game of some sort. but im saying you're not going to get lets say: Gears of War and you certainly will not get anything unique or interesting. Thats liek assuming a normal everyday person is going to make a game of that calibur. the reason a game like gears of war is so good is because they said to themselves "we HAVE to be better, we HAVE to make a ton of money"

you cant "buy" in a communist society.

Engrish_Major

There have actually been a few very good games coming out of eastern Europe lately.

theyre not communist HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Very mature. How about Tetris, one of the most popular games EVER?

okay so lets do a comparison

Japan/America vs Russia

Russia: Tetris

I dont even want to make the list for the other two.

russia made tetris right but thats where its different. tetris CAN be made by one person. games today arent not able to be done. if you bothered to read anything ive said earlier you wouldnt have made that post and made yourself look dumb

Can you even have a civilized debate without resorting to personal attacks? How many have you made on this page alone? I prefer debating with adults. Peace out...

im joking. i thought that was the theme of this site. :)

chill and have some fun

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It's Mario, dude
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#158 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

first time i heard someone say freedom is bad. wow. just wow

Mr_sprinkles

Giving corporations complete freedom IS bad.

not really.

A governments concern lies, or should lie with the people

A corporation's concerns lie only with profit

exactly SHOULD lie with the people, but usually dosent... politicians are more or less interested in controlling these days. if society dosent agree with a corporation, then when their profits are low then they HAVE to change in order to survive

corporations are BETTER than governments.

It doesn't work like that in the real world.

prove it. because i highly doubt you're even out of high school.

Back during the days of the industrial revolution the corporations were free to do prettymuch as they pleased. I wonder what the working conditions were like?

Over in places like vietnam and china where there are few regulations, you get sweat shops. surely because society doesn't agree with sweat shops, such things should never exist?

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

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a perfect economic /goverment policy would include communist and capitalist principles IMO. We don't need another monopoly infested america like in the late 1800's early 1900's
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a perfect economic /goverment policy would include communist and capitalist principles IMO. We don't need another monopoly infested america like in the late 1800's early 1900's
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I belive greatly in communism. Its a great idea. We just need someone to carry it out properly who won't be corupted by power.mattyftm
It's a stupid idea that will never work. Maybe I don't know enough about it, but, as far as I can see, it'd be lovely for all the lazy people in this world and terrible for those who actually got somewhere in life.
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during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

H8sMikeMoore

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

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a perfect economic /goverment policy would include communist and capitalist principles IMO. We don't need another monopoly infested america like in the late 1800's early 1900'sdgdgg

we have laws against monopolies and you cant mix the two, they both advocate the exact opposite of one and other

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a perfect economic /goverment policy would include communist and capitalist principles IMO. We don't need another monopoly infested america like in the late 1800's early 1900'sdgdgg

we have laws against monopolies and you cant mix the two, they both advocate the exact opposite of one and other

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#165 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

Mr_sprinkles

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

we dont have sweat shops. there ya go

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[QUOTE="dgdgg"]a perfect economic /goverment policy would include communist and capitalist principles IMO. We don't need another monopoly infested america like in the late 1800's early 1900'sH8sMikeMoore

we have laws against monopolies and you cant mix the two, they both advocate the exact opposite of one and other

There are no laws against monopolies, just abuse of monopoly power. While it is not illegal to have a monopoly position in a market, the antitrust laws make it unlawful to maintain or attempt to create a monopoly through tactics that either unreasonably exclude firms from the market or significantly impair their ability to compete. A single firm may commit a violation through its unilateral actions, or a violation may result if a group of firms work together to monopolize a market.
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#167 Mr_sprinkles
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

H8sMikeMoore

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

we dont have sweat shops. there ya go

we have more regulations than china.
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="dgdgg"]a perfect economic /goverment policy would include communist and capitalist principles IMO. We don't need another monopoly infested america like in the late 1800's early 1900'sbr0kenrabbit

we have laws against monopolies and you cant mix the two, they both advocate the exact opposite of one and other

There are no laws against monopolies, just abuse of monopoly power. While it is not illegal to have a monopoly position in a market, the antitrust laws make it unlawful to maintain or attempt to create a monopoly through tactics that either unreasonably exclude firms from the market or significantly impair their ability to compete. A single firm may commit a violation through its unilateral actions, or a violation may result if a group of firms work together to monopolize a market.

nope we actually have laws against them.

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#169 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="dgdgg"]a perfect economic /goverment policy would include communist and capitalist principles IMO. We don't need another monopoly infested america like in the late 1800's early 1900'sbr0kenrabbit

we have laws against monopolies and you cant mix the two, they both advocate the exact opposite of one and other

There are no laws against monopolies, just abuse of monopoly power. While it is not illegal to have a monopoly position in a market, the antitrust laws make it unlawful to maintain or attempt to create a monopoly through tactics that either unreasonably exclude firms from the market or significantly impair their ability to compete. A single firm may commit a violation through its unilateral actions, or a violation may result if a group of firms work together to monopolize a market.

nope we actually have laws against them.

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#170 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

Mr_sprinkles

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

we dont have sweat shops. there ya go

we have more regulations than china.

china isnt free market.

a "communist" state (im well aware that theyre commies in name only) which has worse health concerns than we do dosent that make your argument look pretty bad?

anyway business follows the money. if they do something you dont agree with then dont give them money

capitalism rocks your socks that you bought for 1.99 at walmart

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#171 Mr_sprinkles
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

H8sMikeMoore

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

we dont have sweat shops. there ya go

we have more regulations than china.

china isnt free market

Really? Because over there the corporations can do pretty much whatever they want. At least, there is a lot less involvement from the government over there.

which is what you were suggesting wasn't it? less government, more corporation.

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#172 JackMcSexbeard
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

H8sMikeMoore

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

we dont have sweat shops. there ya go

Not in the US, but go to countries in south american and the pacific and its a different story. Sweatshops never went away they just became outsourced.

In those countries companies like nike and even electronics like alpine have people working in slave like conditions

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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

Mr_sprinkles

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

we dont have sweat shops. there ya go

we have more regulations than china.

china isnt free market

Really? Because over there the corporations can do pretty much whatever they want. At least, there is a lot less involvement from the government over there.

which is what you were suggesting wasn't it? less government, more corporation.

theres a ton of government over there, the only difference is the government forces them into those crappy situations

and the corporations for the most part are owned by the government, arent they? I mean I worked in a warehouse for a while and a lot of the trailers are market "China shipping"

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well, the fact about communist gamers or any communist like moi"more like modern marxist" is that we might hate consumism because it relly on greed, and dont help the people itself, if the economy help everybody and nopt just a few we might be happy, and thigs will be cheaper because prices will be set acording to the consumers more than the product insntead to the ones who win some cash with it sells, but until the people learn we the marxist will be consumers of things we really love and worth the consumism, not like McDonals brunchers.......hahahaha, so if u consume help the one in need at list to help this capitalist society

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#175 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

JackMcSexbeard

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

we dont have sweat shops. there ya go

Not in the US, but go to countries in south american and the pacific and its a different story. Sweatshops never went away they just became outsourced.

In those countries companies like nike and even electronics like alpine have people working in slave like conditions

yeah they do. if you dont like it then dont buy nike.

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#176 JackMcSexbeard
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

H8sMikeMoore

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

we dont have sweat shops. there ya go

we have more regulations than china.

china isnt free market.

a "communist" state (im well aware that theyre commies in name only) which has worse health concerns than we do dosent that make your argument look pretty bad?

anyway business follows the money. if they do something you dont agree with then dont give them money

capitalism rocks your socks that you bought for 1.99 at walmart

Wal-mart also uses sweatshops in third world countries, pays their employees barely enough to get by on, destroy small buisness and are against labor unions.

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theres a ton of government over there, the only difference is the government forces them into those crappy situations

and the corporations for the most part are owned by the government, arent they? I mean I worked in a warehouse for a while and a lot of the trailers are market "China shipping"

H8sMikeMoore

The government is heavy handed, yes, but on the people, not the corporations.

And do you really think everything that has "made in china" stamped on the bottom was produced by an offshoot of the chinese government?

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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

JackMcSexbeard

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

we dont have sweat shops. there ya go

we have more regulations than china.

china isnt free market.

a "communist" state (im well aware that theyre commies in name only) which has worse health concerns than we do dosent that make your argument look pretty bad?

anyway business follows the money. if they do something you dont agree with then dont give them money

capitalism rocks your socks that you bought for 1.99 at walmart

Wal-mart also uses sweatshops in third world countries, pays their employees barely enough to get by on, destroy small buisness and are against labor unions.

thats a bunch of crap

if you're trying to get by you dont work at walmart to begin with

alot of small towns dont have any business to begin with. So bringing in walmart helps

I dont care what anyone says, if you work at walmart store you better be a college student or below otherwise you're an under acheiver

look up penn and teller walmart on youtube, they made a great little thing about it that will knock your emotionalism right the bunk out

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#179 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

theres a ton of government over there, the only difference is the government forces them into those crappy situations

and the corporations for the most part are owned by the government, arent they? I mean I worked in a warehouse for a while and a lot of the trailers are market "China shipping"

Mr_sprinkles

The government is heavy handed, yes, but on the people, not the corporations.

And do you really think everything that has "made in china" stamped on the bottom was produced by an offshoot of the chinese government?

never said that, nor gave you a reason to think that.

I said (with implication) that the chinese owned corporations are owned by the chinese government at least I thought what I said was fairly obvious

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Well here we cannot be seen in person, and therefore can suggest anything without being subject to physical or verbal abuse in person..
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#181 Mr_sprinkles
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

theres a ton of government over there, the only difference is the government forces them into those crappy situations

and the corporations for the most part are owned by the government, arent they? I mean I worked in a warehouse for a while and a lot of the trailers are market "China shipping"

H8sMikeMoore

The government is heavy handed, yes, but on the people, not the corporations.

And do you really think everything that has "made in china" stamped on the bottom was produced by an offshoot of the chinese government?

never said that, nor gave you a reason to think that.

I said (with implication) that the chinese owned corporations are owned by the chinese government at least I thought what I said was fairly obvious

It's not just the chinese corporations that run sweat shops...
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#182 JackMcSexbeard
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[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

H8sMikeMoore

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

we dont have sweat shops. there ya go

Not in the US, but go to countries in south american and the pacific and its a different story. Sweatshops never went away they just became outsourced.

In those countries companies like nike and even electronics like alpine have people working in slave like conditions

yeah they do. if you dont like it then dont buy nike.

Yes of course ubt how many people know about that stuff or care in the west? nothing happes and nothing changes.

Not only that but what about thise people in indonesia or malaysia? what are they going to do? the injustice is affecting them not us.

You say people wont buy from nike but they are still the most successful sporta apperal company. Not only that but if everyone in america and europe knew the extent of this well still nothing will happen. We have become so disconnected to each other that the life of a human being far away on television carries little weight. All nike needs to do is put their shows on Kobe Bryant or have MJ in a commercial and the cool factor will outweigh the sacrifice of human life for the shoes.

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#183 ishoturface
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communism is the worst type of society beacause if you have not noticed all countrys that are communist the'yre either failed or been destroyed. and the ecomeny is very bad also look at north korea!
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#184 sovereign_22
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[QUOTE="mattyftm"]I belive greatly in communism. Its a great idea. We just need someone to carry it out properly who won't be corupted by power.SolidSnake35
It's a stupid idea that will never work. Maybe I don't know enough about it, but, as far as I can see, it'd be lovely for all the lazy people in this world and terrible for those who actually got somewhere in life.

a tip: next time know what your talking about before you try to talk **** about it
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#185 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

theres a ton of government over there, the only difference is the government forces them into those crappy situations

and the corporations for the most part are owned by the government, arent they? I mean I worked in a warehouse for a while and a lot of the trailers are market "China shipping"

Mr_sprinkles

The government is heavy handed, yes, but on the people, not the corporations.

And do you really think everything that has "made in china" stamped on the bottom was produced by an offshoot of the chinese government?

never said that, nor gave you a reason to think that.

I said (with implication) that the chinese owned corporations are owned by the chinese government at least I thought what I said was fairly obvious

It's not just the chinese corporations that run sweat shops...

didnt say that either. swing and a miss

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#186 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="mattyftm"]I belive greatly in communism. Its a great idea. We just need someone to carry it out properly who won't be corupted by power.sovereign_22
It's a stupid idea that will never work. Maybe I don't know enough about it, but, as far as I can see, it'd be lovely for all the lazy people in this world and terrible for those who actually got somewhere in life.

a tip: next time know what your talking about before you try to talk **** about it

hes pretty much right though

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#187 Mr_sprinkles
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

theres a ton of government over there, the only difference is the government forces them into those crappy situations

and the corporations for the most part are owned by the government, arent they? I mean I worked in a warehouse for a while and a lot of the trailers are market "China shipping"

H8sMikeMoore

The government is heavy handed, yes, but on the people, not the corporations.

And do you really think everything that has "made in china" stamped on the bottom was produced by an offshoot of the chinese government?

never said that, nor gave you a reason to think that.

I said (with implication) that the chinese owned corporations are owned by the chinese government at least I thought what I said was fairly obvious

It's not just the chinese corporations that run sweat shops...

didnt say that either. swing and a miss

you were implying that sweat shops are somehow a product of the government, rather than an unregulated labour market.
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#188 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

JackMcSexbeard

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

we dont have sweat shops. there ya go

Not in the US, but go to countries in south american and the pacific and its a different story. Sweatshops never went away they just became outsourced.

In those countries companies like nike and even electronics like alpine have people working in slave like conditions

yeah they do. if you dont like it then dont buy nike.

Yes of course ubt how many people know about that stuff or care in the west? nothing happes and nothing changes.

Not only that but what about thise people in indonesia or malaysia? what are they going to do? the injustice is affecting them not us.

You say people wont buy from nike but they are still the most successful sporta apperal company. Not only that but if everyone in america and europe knew the extent of this well still nothing will happen. We have become so disconnected to each other that the life of a human being far away on television carries little weight. All nike needs to do is put their shows on Kobe Bryant or have MJ in a commercial and the cool factor will outweigh the sacrifice of human life for the shoes.

if nobody cares then obviously it dosent matter.

maybe they can become penpals with americans? I honestly really dont care.

I didnt say people wont buy from nike, I said if people CARE about these issues then they wont. Right now obviously people dont think other people working in sweatshops is really worth enough to be on their mind. Unless I have emotional attatchment to a certain person then I couldnt care less what happens to them

keep in mind, americans at one point thought we had it pretty bad and we did something about it. maybe they should too :)

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#189 Hewkii
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communism is the worst type of society beacause if you have not noticed all countrys that are communist the'yre either failed or been destroyed. and the ecomeny is very bad also look at north korea!ishoturface

I'd say the city state is the worse since it isn't in existance any more.

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#190 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

theres a ton of government over there, the only difference is the government forces them into those crappy situations

and the corporations for the most part are owned by the government, arent they? I mean I worked in a warehouse for a while and a lot of the trailers are market "China shipping"

Mr_sprinkles

The government is heavy handed, yes, but on the people, not the corporations.

And do you really think everything that has "made in china" stamped on the bottom was produced by an offshoot of the chinese government?

never said that, nor gave you a reason to think that.

I said (with implication) that the chinese owned corporations are owned by the chinese government at least I thought what I said was fairly obvious

It's not just the chinese corporations that run sweat shops...

didnt say that either. swing and a miss

you were implying that sweat shops are somehow a product of the government, rather than an unregulated labour market.

in china, the government forces people to do those things

in a free capitalistic society it works much differently

strike out!

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#191 Mr_sprinkles
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[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

theres a ton of government over there, the only difference is the government forces them into those crappy situations

and the corporations for the most part are owned by the government, arent they? I mean I worked in a warehouse for a while and a lot of the trailers are market "China shipping"

H8sMikeMoore

The government is heavy handed, yes, but on the people, not the corporations.

And do you really think everything that has "made in china" stamped on the bottom was produced by an offshoot of the chinese government?

never said that, nor gave you a reason to think that.

I said (with implication) that the chinese owned corporations are owned by the chinese government at least I thought what I said was fairly obvious

It's not just the chinese corporations that run sweat shops...

didnt say that either. swing and a miss

you were implying that sweat shops are somehow a product of the government, rather than an unregulated labour market.

in china, the government forces people to do those things

in a free capitalistic society it works much differently

strike out!

the government doesn't force people to work in the factories at all. The people work in the factories because thats the only place they can work.

the government doesn't need to force them. those are the only employers, and if they don't work, they starve. No minimum wage, no maximum hours, no welfare. FREEDOM!

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#192 H8sMikeMoore
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

theres a ton of government over there, the only difference is the government forces them into those crappy situations

and the corporations for the most part are owned by the government, arent they? I mean I worked in a warehouse for a while and a lot of the trailers are market "China shipping"

Mr_sprinkles

The government is heavy handed, yes, but on the people, not the corporations.

And do you really think everything that has "made in china" stamped on the bottom was produced by an offshoot of the chinese government?

never said that, nor gave you a reason to think that.

I said (with implication) that the chinese owned corporations are owned by the chinese government at least I thought what I said was fairly obvious

It's not just the chinese corporations that run sweat shops...

didnt say that either. swing and a miss

you were implying that sweat shops are somehow a product of the government, rather than an unregulated labour market.

in china, the government forces people to do those things

in a free capitalistic society it works much differently

strike out!

the government doesn't force people to work in the factories at all. The people work in the factories because thats the only place they can work.

the government doesn't need to force them. those are the only employers, and if they don't work, they starve. No minimum wage, no maximum hours, no welfare. FREEDOM!

actually the government does force them. if people dont have jobs in china they get in trouble with the law.

however in a free society, lets say america without regulation people could simply say "screw off walmart you're a jerkface and i h8z at u"

theres no such thing as a 4th strike in baseball, just incase you didnt get the hint.

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#193 MattUD1
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communism is the worst type of society beacause if you have not noticed all countrys that are communist the'yre either failed or been destroyed. and the ecomeny is very bad also look at north korea!ishoturface
Considering most "communist" countries are "communist" in name only...
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#194 JackMcSexbeard
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[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

during the industrial rev. we were still learning how things worked. We really didnt have corporations then either. the corporate laws were very different back then and we had mostly small business.

Even without regulation, we can still tell a corporation what to do

they follow the money and if we string them along we will get what we want

H8sMikeMoore

so explain why in the free market you propose, there would be no sweat shops.

we dont have sweat shops. there ya go

Not in the US, but go to countries in south american and the pacific and its a different story. Sweatshops never went away they just became outsourced.

In those countries companies like nike and even electronics like alpine have people working in slave like conditions

yeah they do. if you dont like it then dont buy nike.

Yes of course ubt how many people know about that stuff or care in the west? nothing happes and nothing changes.

Not only that but what about thise people in indonesia or malaysia? what are they going to do? the injustice is affecting them not us.

You say people wont buy from nike but they are still the most successful sporta apperal company. Not only that but if everyone in america and europe knew the extent of this well still nothing will happen. We have become so disconnected to each other that the life of a human being far away on television carries little weight. All nike needs to do is put their shows on Kobe Bryant or have MJ in a commercial and the cool factor will outweigh the sacrifice of human life for the shoes.

if nobody cares then obviously it dosent matter.

maybe they can become penpals with americans? I honestly really dont care.

I didnt say people wont buy from nike, I said if people CARE about these issues then they wont. Right now obviously people dont think other people working in sweatshops is really worth enough to be on their mind. Unless I have emotional attatchment to a certain person then I couldnt care less what happens to them

keep in mind, americans at one point thought we had it pretty bad and we did something about it. maybe they should too :)

wow. Im speechless. You dont have an attachment to someone so you dont care what happens? Ill admit i dont cry all over people i dont know but to be totally numb to human suffering because its not a popular issue or b/c it doesnt affect you is disturbing.

I dont really know what to say but I hope their arnt more people that think like that.

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#195 Mr_sprinkles
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actually the government does force them. if people dont have jobs in china they get in trouble with the law.

however in a free society, lets say america without regulation people could simply say "screw off walmart you're a jerkface and i h8z at u"

theres no such thing as a 4th strike in baseball, just incase you didnt get the hint.

H8sMikeMoore
Now you're just making stuff up. In China there are no laws saying you must work. Where are you getting this from?
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#196 br0kenrabbit
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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="dgdgg"]a perfect economic /goverment policy would include communist and capitalist principles IMO. We don't need another monopoly infested america like in the late 1800's early 1900'sH8sMikeMoore

we have laws against monopolies and you cant mix the two, they both advocate the exact opposite of one and other

There are no laws against monopolies, just abuse of monopoly power. While it is not illegal to have a monopoly position in a market, the antitrust laws make it unlawful to maintain or attempt to create a monopoly through tactics that either unreasonably exclude firms from the market or significantly impair their ability to compete. A single firm may commit a violation through its unilateral actions, or a violation may result if a group of firms work together to monopolize a market.

nope we actually have laws against them.

No, we do not. Take an economics course, it's common wisdom. Hell, just read the basics. In law, having a dominant position or a monopoly in the market is not illegal in itself. However certain categories of behaviour will, when a business is dominant, be considered abusive and be met with legal sanctions.
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#197 smarb001
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[QUOTE="smarb001"]

I'm also curious...

Curious about how people come to the conclusion that a perfect communist society would in any way compromise video games. :|

H8sMikeMoore

because people arent going to make things like that when theyre busy being lazy trying to make subpar necessities.

video games, in order to be "good" need a competitive free market. so kindly take that emoticon and shove it where the sun dont shine.

Chinese people play video games, and China is a communist state. Also, what does a "competative free market" have to do with video games at their core? Making fun, addictive entertainment can be a hobby, and in a communist society not everything is fueled by cash. People would do it for free, simply for fun. Of course, what I'm talking about is a utopia and would never work in real life because humans are inherently lazy and greedy.

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I think some people don't fully realize what true communism advocates. It is the loss of individual rights in favor of what is best for the group. So certainly, hobbies and fun activities that you enjoy may be sacrificed in preference of the group.
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#199 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="dgdgg"]a perfect economic /goverment policy would include communist and capitalist principles IMO. We don't need another monopoly infested america like in the late 1800's early 1900'sbr0kenrabbit

we have laws against monopolies and you cant mix the two, they both advocate the exact opposite of one and other

There are no laws against monopolies, just abuse of monopoly power. While it is not illegal to have a monopoly position in a market, the antitrust laws make it unlawful to maintain or attempt to create a monopoly through tactics that either unreasonably exclude firms from the market or significantly impair their ability to compete. A single firm may commit a violation through its unilateral actions, or a violation may result if a group of firms work together to monopolize a market.

nope we actually have laws against them.

No, we do not. Take an economics course, it's common wisdom. Hell, just read the basics. In law, having a dominant position or a monopoly in the market is not illegal in itself. However certain categories of behaviour will, when a business is dominant, be considered abusive and be met with legal sanctions.

There are laws against certain types of monopolies. If a company produces a barrier for entry for possible competitors, engages in practices that discourage competition, etc. etc.