I'm fat and proud

I'm really unsure why people care if others are overweight, and also why they feel it is alright to put such people down and treat them as if they were less than human. Essentially being bigots.

Pixel-Pirate

More curious is the notion that fat people are inherently detrimental to society just by being fat.

I mean, I've known fat people who chose to use their spare time tutoring kids and getting involved with local charity and volunteer work. Who thought that to be a better use of their time than working their asses off at a gym.

The idea that fat people are a drain on society is like saying that a value of a man is only in how healthy he is. Which is pretty obviously not true in the least.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I'm really unsure why people care if others are overweight, and also why they feel it is alright to put such people down and treat them as if they were less than human. Essentially being bigots.

Tiefster

Again as brought up, some come from poorer families where the only food available is fatty junk food because it is far cheaper. Then theres cases of people who got obese in child hood, before they really knew much about health.

Yes they can lose weight. Smokers can quit, as well. Neither tasks are easy and insulting them and treating them as if they arn't worthy to live doesn't help matters, seriously.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I'm really unsure why people care if others are overweight, and also why they feel it is alright to put such people down and treat them as if they were less than human. Essentially being bigots.

MrGeezer

More curious is the notion that fat people are inherently detrimental to society just by being fat.

I mean, I've known fat people who chose to use their spare time tutoring kids and getting involved with local charity and volunteer work. Who thought that to be a better use of their time than working their asses off at a gym.

The idea that fat people are a drain on society is like saying that a value of a man is only in how healthy he is. Which is pretty obviously not true in the least.

It's atleast nice that I'm not the only person in this thread who doesn't harbor some unrelenting hatred toward overweight folks.

So you're proud of being unhealthy and lazy? Uhhh... good for you? Seriously, why would anyone be proud of something negative about themselves? That would be like me say, "I'm jerk and proud of it". Here's a crazy idea, join a gym or play a sport and lose some weight then you will really be proud of yourself.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I'd probably be proud I lived my life the way I wanted instead of by societies preconceived arbitrary notion of what I must live by, how I must look, and how I must feel.

But hey, fat people are just subhumans, right, who cares?

LadyUnderverse

Yes, fatties are free birds opposing the agenda of the man.

Why do you feel to use derogatory language toward them?

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

I'd probably be proud I lived my life the way I wanted instead of by societies preconceived arbitrary notion of what I must live by, how I must look, and how I must feel.

But hey, fat people are just subhumans, right, who cares?

Pixel-Pirate

I don't think anyone cares about how they look or how they must live. They do care when the severely obese people start to affect everybody else in a negative way, it's not fair to everybody else to have to suffer.

I haven't seen anyone suffering because of over weight people. Please give some examples.

So you're proud of being unhealthy and lazy? Uhhh... good for you? Seriously, why would anyone be proud of something negative about themselves? That would be like me say, "I'm jerk and proud of it". Here's a crazy idea, join a gym or play a sport and lose some weight then you will really be proud of yourself.

redstorm72

Do you honestly believe it's that easy, or that everyone who is fat is just lazy?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

I don't think anyone cares about how they look or how they must live. They do care when the severely obese people start to affect everybody else in a negative way, it's not fair to everybody else to have to suffer.

hillelslovak

I haven't seen anyone suffering because of over weight people. Please give some examples.

Where are you getting apples? Where I live they are 2 dollars (sometimes 3 dollars) per pound, which is roughly MAYBE 2 and a half apples. Compared to a bag of jumo lays chips for 3 dollars, or a big box of hostess cakes for a dollar, or other fatty foods.

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

So you're proud of being unhealthy and lazy? Uhhh... good for you? Seriously, why would anyone be proud of something negative about themselves? That would be like me say, "I'm jerk and proud of it". Here's a crazy idea, join a gym or play a sport and lose some weight then you will really be proud of yourself.

Pixel-Pirate

Do you honestly believe it's that easy, or that everyone who is fat is just lazy?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I'd probably be proud I lived my life the way I wanted instead of by societies preconceived arbitrary notion of what I must live by, how I must look, and how I must feel.

But hey, fat people are just subhumans, right, who cares?

LadyUnderverse

Yes, fatties are free birds opposing the agenda of the man.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

I'd probably be proud I lived my life the way I wanted instead of by societies preconceived arbitrary notion of what I must live by, how I must look, and how I must feel.

But hey, fat people are just subhumans, right, who cares?

Pixel-Pirate

I don't think anyone cares about how they look or how they must live. They do care when the severely obese people start to affect everybody else in a negative way, it's not fair to everybody else to have to suffer.

I haven't seen anyone suffering because of over weight people. Please give some examples.

Did you not read my posts? They affect us by increasing the health-care bills, making everyone's premiums go up and just draining the health-care industry of resources. Also the severely overweight people tend to be on welfare so they're using taxpayer's money.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

So you're proud of being unhealthy and lazy? Uhhh... good for you? Seriously, why would anyone be proud of something negative about themselves? That would be like me say, "I'm jerk and proud of it". Here's a crazy idea, join a gym or play a sport and lose some weight then you will really be proud of yourself.

hillelslovak

Do you honestly believe it's that easy, or that everyone who is fat is just lazy?

You really think walking will magically eleviate a hundred pounds? Or that everyones genetic make up and metabolism is identical?

You're rather naive if you do.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

So you're proud of being unhealthy and lazy? Uhhh... good for you? Seriously, why would anyone be proud of something negative about themselves? That would be like me say, "I'm jerk and proud of it". Here's a crazy idea, join a gym or play a sport and lose some weight then you will really be proud of yourself.

hillelslovak

Do you honestly believe it's that easy, or that everyone who is fat is just lazy?

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I haven't seen anyone suffering because of over weight people. Please give some examples.

Pixel-Pirate

Where are you getting apples? Where I live they are 2 dollars (sometimes 3 dollars) per pound, which is roughly MAYBE 2 and a half apples. Compared to a bag of jumo lays chips for 3 dollars, or a big box of hostess cakes for a dollar, or other fatty foods.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

I'd probably be proud I lived my life the way I wanted instead of by societies preconceived arbitrary notion of what I must live by, how I must look, and how I must feel.

But hey, fat people are just subhumans, right, who cares?

Pixel-Pirate

I don't think anyone cares about how they look or how they must live. They do care when the severely obese people start to affect everybody else in a negative way, it's not fair to everybody else to have to suffer.

I haven't seen anyone suffering because of over weight people. Please give some examples.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

I don't think anyone cares about how they look or how they must live. They do care when the severely obese people start to affect everybody else in a negative way, it's not fair to everybody else to have to suffer.

l4dak47

I haven't seen anyone suffering because of over weight people. Please give some examples.

Did you not read my posts? They affect us by increasing the health-care bills, making everyone's premiums go up and just draining the health-care industry of resources. Also the severely overweight people tend to be on welfare so they're using taxpayer's money.

Those on welfare barely get enough money to live, so they buy fatty foods which are cheaper, which makes them fatter.

I'd say the average insured person who goes into the emergency room every time they get a tummy ache is a bigger drain on society.

Either way, do you really believe that is justifiable reasoning to harbor hatred and bigotry toward a person?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"] Have you seen an obese person? It's utterly macabre. And the argument of junk food being an easier alternative is bull****. Apples are like 35 cents a lb. People choose to buy crappy food.hillelslovak

Where are you getting apples? Where I live they are 2 dollars (sometimes 3 dollars) per pound, which is roughly MAYBE 2 and a half apples. Compared to a bag of jumo lays chips for 3 dollars, or a big box of hostess cakes for a dollar, or other fatty foods.

All those items, save the corn, is around 2 to 3 dollars a pound here. And considering the size of such items, that won't get you much.

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Do you honestly believe it's that easy, or that everyone who is fat is just lazy?

Pixel-Pirate

You really think walking will magically eleviate a hundred pounds? Or that everyones genetic make up and metabolism is identical?

You're rather naive if you do.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

I don't think anyone cares about how they look or how they must live. They do care when the severely obese people start to affect everybody else in a negative way, it's not fair to everybody else to have to suffer.

Marka1700

I haven't seen anyone suffering because of over weight people. Please give some examples.

Yes, and I'm sure none of it can be blamed on other groups of people.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"] Actually, for most people it is that easy. Walking is a basic trait in humans, and it burns calories. Most people just choose to live lazy lifestyles.hillelslovak

You really think walking will magically eleviate a hundred pounds? Or that everyones genetic make up and metabolism is identical?

You're rather naive if you do.

I'm sure treating them as subhumans will motivate them :roll:

I'm glad you met every overweight person in the world so you could judge they are all just "lazy"

Hows the weather on that horse?

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I haven't seen anyone suffering because of over weight people. Please give some examples.

Pixel-Pirate

Yes, and I'm sure none of it can be blamed on other groups of people.

[QUOTE="LadyUnderverse"]It is inherently better for your place of work that you're in a healthy shape. Less sick days. It is inherently better for your children that you're healthy. You might live longer because of it, and I guess not only yourself but your potential partner and kids would appreciate that statistical notion. "If you're not getting out of it what you want, then the effort is POINTLESS". It might seem pointless to you, but that put aside; what if you are getting what you want out of it? .. MrGeezer

I've known people who didn't give their kids the proper attention because they were too obsessive about their health. I've known people who slacked off on some of their work in order to hit the gym.

The thing is that if staying healthy is so hard, then it sort of requires something to be given up in order to obtain good health. Whether or not it's better depends on what the person is losing. And I've seen people willing to become worse people in order to get in better shape.

Yes I agree. Maybe the motivation for a gym workout isn't there but walking down the street and back once or twice a day is better than nothing, seriously, nothing like a nice walk to make you realize how out of shape you are.Tiefster

If a short walk down the street is enough to get you in good health, then chances are that you were never in very bad health to begin with.

Just so you know, most fat people DO spend quite a bit of time walking, and they're still fat.

[QUOTE="LadyUnderverse"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I'd probably be proud I lived my life the way I wanted instead of by societies preconceived arbitrary notion of what I must live by, how I must look, and how I must feel.

But hey, fat people are just subhumans, right, who cares?

Pixel-Pirate

Yes, fatties are free birds opposing the agenda of the man.

Why do you feel to use derogatory language toward them?

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

You really think walking will magically eleviate a hundred pounds? Or that everyones genetic make up and metabolism is identical?

You're rather naive if you do.

Pixel-Pirate

I'm sure treating them as subhumans will motivate them :roll:

I'm glad you met every overweight person in the world so you could judge they are all just "lazy"

Hows the weather on that horse?

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I haven't seen anyone suffering because of over weight people. Please give some examples.

Pixel-Pirate

Did you not read my posts? They affect us by increasing the health-care bills, making everyone's premiums go up and just draining the health-care industry of resources. Also the severely overweight people tend to be on welfare so they're using taxpayer's money.

Those on welfare barely get enough money to live, so they buy fatty foods which are cheaper, which makes them fatter.

I'd say the average insured person who goes into the emergency room every time they get a tummy ache is a bigger drain on society.

Either way, do you really believe that is justifiable reasoning to harbor hatred and bigotry toward a person?

What? When have I said I hated all fat people, by being severely overweight you are having a negative effect on society, that is fact. I agree with the 2nd sentence but that's not what I'm debating about. Overweight people do drain the society more than the average person would and as for the welfare, just exercise and eat in moderation like I said before.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="LadyUnderverse"]

Yes, fatties are free birds opposing the agenda of the man.

LadyUnderverse

Why do you feel to use derogatory language toward them?

Hope you teach your kids that "Honey, it's okay to make fun of people if you find it funny".

So you're proud of being unhealthy and lazy? Uhhh... good for you? Seriously, why would anyone be proud of something negative about themselves? That would be like me say, "I'm jerk and proud of it". Here's a crazy idea, join a gym or play a sport and lose some weight then you will really be proud of yourself.

redstorm72

ooooo lolwut?

im 220 lbs and im the exact opposite of lazy....

im proud of my weight and the way that my body is built.

your just like a friend of mine who says that skinny people are naturally more in shape than fat people but yet i can run a mile in 11 mins and he cant even run a mile.

get out of this thread before you say something stupid... o wait :P

[QUOTE="LadyUnderverse"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Why do you feel to use derogatory language toward them?

Pixel-Pirate

Hope you teach your kids that "Honey, it's okay to make fun of people if you find it funny".

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

Did you not read my posts? They affect us by increasing the health-care bills, making everyone's premiums go up and just draining the health-care industry of resources. Also the severely overweight people tend to be on welfare so they're using taxpayer's money.

l4dak47

Those on welfare barely get enough money to live, so they buy fatty foods which are cheaper, which makes them fatter.

I'd say the average insured person who goes into the emergency room every time they get a tummy ache is a bigger drain on society.

Either way, do you really believe that is justifiable reasoning to harbor hatred and bigotry toward a person?

What? When have I said I hated all fat people, by being severely overweight you are having a negative effect on society, that is fact. I agree with the 2nd sentence but that's not what I'm debating about.

The overall attitude I have gotten this entire thread is that overweight people are terrible people who don't really deserve to live and who have no value in life because your value in life is directly equal to that of your weight.

Regardless of if someone "costs" you money you likely never saw, that doesn't really give you the right to insult them and treat them poorly.

Being fat is really, really, unhealthy and not attractive at all

As someone who was formerly pudgy, I thank god everyday I lost the weight and am now 145 pounds and 6'0

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Do you honestly believe it's that easy, or that everyone who is fat is just lazy?

Pixel-Pirate

You really think walking will magically eleviate a hundred pounds? Or that everyones genetic make up and metabolism is identical?

You're rather naive if you do.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"] It's called a start, which is something most are too lazy to even do........hillelslovak

I'm sure treating them as subhumans will motivate them :roll:

I'm glad you met every overweight person in the world so you could judge they are all just "lazy"

Hows the weather on that horse?

I don't think you need to be skinny to have potential. There are numerous important fields of society that don't require you to be very healthy. Sciene, for instance. Which is far more important to mankind than sports.

I'm not pro-obesity. I just don't think you should belittle and be intolerant toward people who are overweight. Especially since you cannot know how the situation developed.

Hope you teach your kids that "Honey, it's okay to make fun of people if you find it funny".Pixel-Pirate

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I'm sure treating them as subhumans will motivate them :roll:

I'm glad you met every overweight person in the world so you could judge they are all just "lazy"

Hows the weather on that horse?

Pixel-Pirate

I don't think you need to be skinny to have potential. There are numerous important fields of society that don't require you to be very healthy. Sciene, for instance. Which is far more important to mankind than sports.

I'm not pro-obesity. I just don't think you should belittle and be intolerant toward people who are overweight. Especially since you cannot know how the situation developed.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"] Actually, for most people it is that easy. Walking is a basic trait in humans, and it burns calories. Most people just choose to live lazy lifestyles.Tiefster

You really think walking will magically eleviate a hundred pounds? Or that everyones genetic make up and metabolism is identical?

You're rather naive if you do.

Isn't 215 medically overweight bordering on obese depending on your height?

Walking will help, but it isn't going to drop you hundreds of pounds easily. Some probably see no point when they hear how hard it is to drop even 20 pounds, what hope do they see in dropping 200 pounds? Not much.

It's great if you're happy about being healthy. My entire arguement wasn't that you should be fat. It was that you shouldn't belittle someone for being fat anymore then you should belittle someone for being black. I just find it rather disgusting that some think it's okay to treat others like dirt depending on their appearance.

It's just shallower than a kiddy pool.

The idea is commendable. How some might choose to go about it however is not always commendable. That does not work to take away from the initial idea being commendable.LadyUnderverse

No, the idea is nothing more than people looking out for their own self-interests. How hard it is is irrelevant.

It's no different than someone wasting his life studying law because he thinks it's expected of him. If he truly WANTS to be a lawyer, then all he's doing is what he wants to do. And since when has doing what you want to do been something to be proud of? And if he DOESN'T want to be a lawyer and is only doing it because he thinks it's expected of him, then he's a fool for wasting his life on something that makes him miserable.

I don't think that being healthy OR unhealthy is something that warrants pride or shame. Do it if you want to, don't do it if you don't want to.

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I'm sure treating them as subhumans will motivate them :roll:

I'm glad you met every overweight person in the world so you could judge they are all just "lazy"

Hows the weather on that horse?

Pixel-Pirate

I don't think you need to be skinny to have potential. There are numerous important fields of society that don't require you to be very healthy. Sciene, for instance. Which is far more important to mankind than sports.

I'm not pro-obesity. I just don't think you should belittle and be intolerant toward people who are overweight. Especially since you cannot know how the situation developed.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"] I don't think all fat people are pieces of ****, but a pro-obesity argument makes absolutely no sense. It's an argument that limits human potential.Toriko42

I don't think you need to be skinny to have potential. There are numerous important fields of society that don't require you to be very healthy. Sciene, for instance. Which is far more important to mankind than sports.

I'm not pro-obesity. I just don't think you should belittle and be intolerant toward people who are overweight. Especially since you cannot know how the situation developed.

I'm glad you went and asked them exactly how their life works, their medical and genetic background, asked if they have been exercising (you don't become skinny in a day.) and then formed your opinion.

The overall attitude I have gotten this entire thread is that overweight people are terrible people who don't really deserve to live and who have no value in life because your value in life is directly equal to that of your weight.

Regardless of if someone "costs" you money you likely never saw, that doesn't really give you the right to insult them and treat them poorly.

I didn't say they were terrible people but I'm pointing out that by being morbidly obese they are affecting society in a negative way. They are making other people suffer for reasons already stated and that is incredibly selfish on their part.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"] I don't think all fat people are pieces of ****, but a pro-obesity argument makes absolutely no sense. It's an argument that limits human potential.hillelslovak

I don't think you need to be skinny to have potential. There are numerous important fields of society that don't require you to be very healthy. Sciene, for instance. Which is far more important to mankind than sports.

I'm not pro-obesity. I just don't think you should belittle and be intolerant toward people who are overweight. Especially since you cannot know how the situation developed.

You'd think diet coke would be good for losing weight, what with the word diet in it. Might want to take that up with corporate sponsers then.

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I don't think you need to be skinny to have potential. There are numerous important fields of society that don't require you to be very healthy. Sciene, for instance. Which is far more important to mankind than sports.

I'm not pro-obesity. I just don't think you should belittle and be intolerant toward people who are overweight. Especially since you cannot know how the situation developed.

Pixel-Pirate

I'm glad you went and asked them exactly how their life works, their medical and genetic background, asked if they have been exercising (you don't become skinny in a day.) and then formed your opinion.

l4dak47

The overall attitude I have gotten this entire thread is that overweight people are terrible people who don't really deserve to live and who have no value in life because your value in life is directly equal to that of your weight.

Regardless of if someone "costs" you money you likely never saw, that doesn't really give you the right to insult them and treat them poorly.

I didn't say they were terrible people but I'm pointing out that by being morbidly obese they are affecting society in a negative way. They are making other people suffer for reasons already stated and that is incredibly selfish on their part.

Everyone is making someone suffer in some way. You make people suffer with high gas prices win you drive a inefficent car, you make people people in certain countries suffer when you support coca cola, you are making people suffer when you buy certain products. It's unfortunate, but it happens with everyone. You arn't absent of guilt.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"] I'm intolerant to people that are overweight because as someone who used to be overweight and took the initiative to get rid of it, I'm insulted by people who I see pigging out on food that are too lazy to lose it and look healthy and not put a drain on my healthcare system. Toriko42

I'm glad you went and asked them exactly how their life works, their medical and genetic background, asked if they have been exercising (you don't become skinny in a day.) and then formed your opinion.

Do you also have an irrational hatred toward smokers and drinkers as well?

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Those on welfare barely get enough money to live, so they buy fatty foods which are cheaper, which makes them fatter.

I'd say the average insured person who goes into the emergency room every time they get a tummy ache is a bigger drain on society.

Either way, do you really believe that is justifiable reasoning to harbor hatred and bigotry toward a person?

Pixel-Pirate

What? When have I said I hated all fat people, by being severely overweight you are having a negative effect on society, that is fact. I agree with the 2nd sentence but that's not what I'm debating about.

The overall attitude I have gotten this entire thread is that overweight people are terrible people who don't really deserve to live and who have no value in life because your value in life is directly equal to that of your weight.

Regardless of if someone "costs" you money you likely never saw, that doesn't really give you the right to insult them and treat them poorly.

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I'm glad you went and asked them exactly how their life works, their medical and genetic background, asked if they have been exercising (you don't become skinny in a day.) and then formed your opinion.

Pixel-Pirate

Do you also have an irrational hatred toward smokers and drinkers as well?

Fat people are just not the types I assosicate with. It's a product of excess. My city has few fat people, why? Cause we're an active city. Sure there are those predisposed to fatness but when I see how many fat people there are in some places, I know most of them aren't genetic. They're a product of laziness and excess, 'nuff said.

And it is this exact fat pride movement I hate since they take pride in something that's an ugly curse.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]

The overall attitude I have gotten this entire thread is that overweight people are terrible people who don't really deserve to live and who have no value in life because your value in life is directly equal to that of your weight.

Regardless of if someone "costs" you money you likely never saw, that doesn't really give you the right to insult them and treat them poorly.

Pixel-Pirate

I didn't say they were terrible people but I'm pointing out that by being morbidly obese they are affecting society in a negative way. They are making other people suffer for reasons already stated and that is incredibly selfish on their part.

Everyone is making someone suffer in some way. You make people suffer with high gas prices win you drive a inefficent car, you make people people in certain countries suffer when you support coca cola, you are making people suffer when you buy certain products. It's unfortunate, but it happens with everyone. You arn't absent of guilt.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"] I form the opinion based on what I see them eating, drinking, etc. Nothing angers me more then a fat person who orders a salad then douses it in ranch dressing for example or a fat person who goes to Subway for some 'healthy eating' then gets a turkey bacon club with ranchToriko42

Do you also have an irrational hatred toward smokers and drinkers as well?

Stunning irony. Smoking is incredibly unhealthy, probably just as much as being obese. It also puts a drain on the healthcare system when I have to pay for some guys iron lung because he just HAD to have another puff. Smoking also has adverse effects to those around you.

Drinking puts a damper on society when a person is killed because of a drunk driver, or I have to pay for someones liver damage.