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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]It makes me laugh that so many people think the guy shooting a person that is forcing his way in is wrong. If you are dumb enough to break in to my house and try to bring harm to me or my property then you have no right to life. End of story. This country has become so soft on the criminal it is not even funny.blasto65_basic

Yeah, but he hadn't even finished.

The guy could've just fired out of a window, instead of shooting the guy, that would've scared him off for sure.

Scared him off what so he can do it again to some one else. Look if you try and enter with a bad intent on your mind you get what you deserve.

So stealing deserves death?

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#52 blasto65_basic
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Still ridiculous. Five feet is nothing, so, simply put, breaking into someone's house carries the death penalty.james28893

You don't have to shoot them. You can wait for them to kill your family.

Yeah, haven't you heard, every person who breaks into a house does it specifically to kill the occupants.

I hope you are joking. It does not matter what is intent was to steal or kill it is not yous so dont do it.

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#53 flowdee79
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Why are people defending the intruder? Who cares that he's dead, that will teach people not to break into each others houses.

Besides the home owner probably panicked, I sure know that if a thief came into my house I wouldn't stall around waiting to aim for his crotch

james28893

Breaking and entering doesn't derserve the death penalty.

Easier said that done is all Im saying.

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[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]It makes me laugh that so many people think the guy shooting a person that is forcing his way in is wrong. If you are dumb enough to break in to my house and try to bring harm to me or my property then you have no right to life. End of story. This country has become so soft on the criminal it is not even funny.james28893

Yeah, but he hadn't even finished.

The guy could've just fired out of a window, instead of shooting the guy, that would've scared him off for sure.

Scared him off what so he can do it again to some one else. Look if you try and enter with a bad intent on your mind you get what you deserve.

So stealing deserves death?

Yes it does

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#55 LJS9502_basic  Online
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Yeah, haven't you heard, every person who breaks into a house does it specifically to kill the occupants.

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I see...you are psychic and can tell in a split second which intruder will.:|

Most intruders have a gun.....anything...ANYTHING...that startles them means they use said gun. If you like to play lottery with your life...more power to you. But it's not safe.

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#56 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Still ridiculous. Five feet is nothing, so, simply put, breaking into someone's house carries the death penalty.james28893

You don't have to shoot them. You can wait for them to kill your family.

Yeah, haven't you heard, every person who breaks into a house does it specifically to kill the occupants.

:Yeah. Murder is so rewarding for these petty criminals. :lol:
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[QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Still ridiculous. Five feet is nothing, so, simply put, breaking into someone's house carries the death penalty.blasto65_basic

You don't have to shoot them. You can wait for them to kill your family.

Yeah, haven't you heard, every person who breaks into a house does it specifically to kill the occupants.

I hope you are joking. It does not matter what is intent was to steal or kill it is not yous so dont do it.

I was making a point, he assumed that the criminal breaking into a home will kill its occupants.

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#58 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="james28893"]

Yeah, haven't you heard, every person who breaks into a house does it specifically to kill the occupants.

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I see...you are psychic and can tell in a split second which intruder will.:|

Most intruders have a gun.....anything...ANYTHING...that startles them means they use said gun. If you like to play lottery with your life...more power to you. But it's not safe.

Okay, but until you see that gun, you don't fire on them. I assume they're not Tom Cruise and capable of an impressive dive and quick draw.
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Should've shot him in the leg.

Kikouken

Yeah, he should have at least spared the intruder's life...That would have been better..At least he can't escape..

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[QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]It makes me laugh that so many people think the guy shooting a person that is forcing his way in is wrong. If you are dumb enough to break in to my house and try to bring harm to me or my property then you have no right to life. End of story. This country has become so soft on the criminal it is not even funny.blasto65_basic

Yeah, but he hadn't even finished.

The guy could've just fired out of a window, instead of shooting the guy, that would've scared him off for sure.

Scared him off what so he can do it again to some one else. Look if you try and enter with a bad intent on your mind you get what you deserve.

So stealing deserves death?

Yes it does

Tell me you're joking.

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#61 LJS9502_basic  Online
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I was making a point, he assumed that the criminal breaking into a home will kill its occupants.

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You failed to make said point.;)
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As soon as I saw the gun I would blast his head off with my 12 gage, but if he was unarmed than I would just threaten too shoot him and keep him on his toes until the cops arrived.
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#63 SolidSnake35
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I hope you are joking. It does not matter what is intent was to steal or kill it is not yous so dont do it.blasto65_basic
Duh, but why do jails exist if everything bad thing possible deserves death? If I walked into your house and told a lie, would you shoot me?
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[QUOTE="flowdee79"]

Why are people defending the intruder? Who cares that he's dead, that will teach people not to break into each others houses.

Besides the home owner probably panicked, I sure know that if a thief came into my house I wouldn't stall around waiting to aim for his crotch

james28893

Breaking and entering doesn't derserve the death penalty.

This.

If the guy had a gun out, or you could see a barrel, shoot him.

Otherwise, the guy did not deserve death. Stealing is not an offense worth killing over.

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[QUOTE="james28893"]

I was making a point, he assumed that the criminal breaking into a home will kill its occupants.

LJS9502_basic

You failed to make said point.;)

Ah well, I'll try better next time ;).

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The ONLY thing wrong with the homeowners actions was that he shot the guy when he wasn't even in the house.

As mentioned before, he could have made his presence with his gun known and possibly scared the guy off. With his gun already drawn if that guy had made a move for anything the owner could easily shoot him.

That being said, I am not sure if this is good enough reason to prosecute the man. After all, if someones trying to break in and you have no idea if they are armed or not, I think it is fair to say shooting out of fear is quite the possibility.

Oh and LOL at the idiots trying to turn this into a gun control thread. Yes, you countries who have banned guns have done so well as to leave your law-abiding citizens defenseless as gun crimes in your countries are going down whereas in places like Detroit we have gun crimes declining.

Banning guns is quite possibly one of the DUMBEST things we could do. Do you really think most criminals go around using legal firearms that could be traced back to them? No.

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[QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="flowdee79"]

Why are people defending the intruder? Who cares that he's dead, that will teach people not to break into each others houses.

Besides the home owner probably panicked, I sure know that if a thief came into my house I wouldn't stall around waiting to aim for his crotch

Jandurin

Breaking and entering doesn't derserve the death penalty.

This.

If the guy had a gun out, or you could see a barrel, shoot him.

Otherwise, the guy did not deserve death. Stealing is not an offense worth killing over.

I would agree with you there, though again I wouldn't shoot to kill.

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Nope. Never pull out a gun unless you intend to use it. While you're shooting out the window the intruder can shoot you.Godly_Cure
I'd rather die than kill unwarranted.

Now, if there was someone else to protect in said house, that changes things a bit.

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Should've shot him in the leg.

Vancelvany

Yeah, he should have at least spared the intruder's life...That would have been better..At least he can't escape..

Why why why is everyone feeling bad for some Peace of dirt that did wrong. If you break into another persons safe zone a place that people feel safe in A Home why should you be given sympathy when you did not have sympathy for the way you are making that person feel.

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Why why why is everyone feeling bad for some Peace of dirt that did wrong. If you break into another persons safe zone a place that people feel safe in A Home why should you be given sympathy when you did not have sympathy for the way you are making that person feel.blasto65_basic
What if he was just drunk, and thought it was his girlfriend's house, and this guy just killed him without even broaching him?
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No way, he would get shot straight away. If he's lucky I might miss and hit him in the leg. If he was completely incapacitated, I wouldn't finish him off, but if he died then thats his own damn fault.
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[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Why why why is everyone feeling bad for some Peace of dirt that did wrong. If you break into another persons safe zone a place that people feel safe in A Home why should you be given sympathy when you did not have sympathy for the way you are making that person feel.Jandurin
What if he was just drunk, and thought it was his girlfriend's house, and this guy just killed him without even broaching him?

Come on dont play dumb you can tell if somone is drunk or if they are breaking in.

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[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]Oh and LOL at the idiots trying to turn this into a gun control thread. Yes, you countries who have banned guns have done so well as to leave your law-abiding citizens defenseless as gun crimes in your countries are going down whereas in places like Detroit we have gun crimes declining. Banning guns is quite possibly one of the DUMBEST things we could do. Do you really think most criminals go around using legal firearms that could be traced back to them? No.

Why the hell do you have so many gun wielding criminals? Sort out that problem first, then maybe you'll be able to make sensible progress and ban guns like most safe countries.
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[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Why why why is everyone feeling bad for some Peace of dirt that did wrong. If you break into another persons safe zone a place that people feel safe in A Home why should you be given sympathy when you did not have sympathy for the way you are making that person feel.Jandurin
What if he was just drunk, and thought it was his girlfriend's house, and this guy just killed him without even broaching him?

He should knock then....not break in.:|

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[QUOTE="Vancelvany"][QUOTE="Kikouken"]

Should've shot him in the leg.

blasto65_basic

Yeah, he should have at least spared the intruder's life...That would have been better..At least he can't escape..

Why why why is everyone feeling bad for some Peace of dirt that did wrong. If you break into another persons safe zone a place that people feel safe in A Home why should you be given sympathy when you did not have sympathy for the way you are making that person feel.

Damn that stupid three year old, stealing a piece of candy, shoot the little bugger Jim shoot.

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[QUOTE="Vancelvany"][QUOTE="Kikouken"]

Should've shot him in the leg.

blasto65_basic

Yeah, he should have at least spared the intruder's life...That would have been better..At least he can't escape..

Why why why is everyone feeling bad for some Peace of dirt that did wrong. If you break into another persons safe zone a place that people feel safe in A Home why should you be given sympathy when you did not have sympathy for the way you are making that person feel.

Thank you, I thought I was the only sane person in here.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Why why why is everyone feeling bad for some Peace of dirt that did wrong. If you break into another persons safe zone a place that people feel safe in A Home why should you be given sympathy when you did not have sympathy for the way you are making that person feel.blasto65_basic

What if he was just drunk, and thought it was his girlfriend's house, and this guy just killed him without even broaching him?

Come on dont play dumb you can tell if somone is drunk or if they are breaking in.

Can you? I can't say I've had much experience at exercising such judgement before.
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He should knock then....not break in.:|LJS9502_basic
Ex-girlfriend.

Or, maybe she was out.

I've broken into my girlfriend's house before.

Though, I used a window I knew I could take apart.

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If someone broke into my house, I wouldn't hesitate to do the most damage I can to the intruder. Home instrusion is ****ed up.
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[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Why why why is everyone feeling bad for some Peace of dirt that did wrong. If you break into another persons safe zone a place that people feel safe in A Home why should you be given sympathy when you did not have sympathy for the way you are making that person feel.Jandurin
What if he was just drunk, and thought it was his girlfriend's house, and this guy just killed him without even broaching him?

He wouldn't have any keys so he wouldn't be able to get in. Simple.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] He should knock then....not break in.:|Jandurin

Ex-girlfriend.

Or, maybe she was out.

I've broken into my girlfriend's house before.

Though, I used a window I knew I could take apart.

That's still criminal trespass...and and breaking and entering. If you don't own the place...you don't go in unless invited;)

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If someone broke into my house, I wouldn't hesitate to do the most damage I can to the intruder. Home instrusion is ****ed up. GodLovesDead

So's killing someone who's unarmed for breaking in.

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If someone broke into my house, I wouldn't hesitate to do the most damage I can to the intruder. Home instrusion is ****ed up. GodLovesDead
So are many things. Since this law is so well supported, I don't understand why you bother with jails...
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[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Why why why is everyone feeling bad for some Peace of dirt that did wrong. If you break into another persons safe zone a place that people feel safe in A Home why should you be given sympathy when you did not have sympathy for the way you are making that person feel.SolidSnake35

What if he was just drunk, and thought it was his girlfriend's house, and this guy just killed him without even broaching him?

Come on dont play dumb you can tell if somone is drunk or if they are breaking in.

Can you? I can't say I've had much experience at exercising such judgement before.

Look if you are drunk enough to not know were you are and you are at the wrong house you are very drunk. And if you cant see that then you need help

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] He should knock then....not break in.:|LJS9502_basic

Ex-girlfriend.

Or, maybe she was out.

I've broken into my girlfriend's house before.

Though, I used a window I knew I could take apart.

That's still criminal trespass...and and breaking and entering. If you don't own the place...you don't go in unless invited;)

Yeah, so, I guess I'm a criminal, do I deserve to be shot?
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Look if you are drunk enough to not know were you are and you are at the wrong house you are very drunk. And if you cant see that then you need helpblasto65_basic
I need help because I might not recognise a drunk. Right, and this is coming from the guy who wants instant death for all wrongdoers...
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] He should knock then....not break in.:|Jandurin

Ex-girlfriend.

Or, maybe she was out.

I've broken into my girlfriend's house before.

Though, I used a window I knew I could take apart.

That's still criminal trespass...and and breaking and entering. If you don't own the place...you don't go in unless invited;)

Yeah, so, I guess I'm a criminal, do I deserve to be shot?

Right now no. But if she had been home and pulled the trigger yes.

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[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]If someone broke into my house, I wouldn't hesitate to do the most damage I can to the intruder. Home instrusion is ****ed up. james28893

So's killing someone who's unarmed for breaking in.

No it isn't. How do I know they don't intend to harm me? What if I turn my back and he kills me? If someone's willing to break into someone's house, they are insane.

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Yeah, so, I guess I'm a criminal, do I deserve to be shot?Jandurin
If the person was at home and you broke in and they were in fear for their life...yes.

As far as being prosecuted for breaking and entering...no. That is not the sentence imposed. But they are two different occurances and a bad analogy.

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Right now no. But if she had been home and pulled the trigger yes.blasto65_basic
So crimes are only punishable at the very moment they're committed?
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[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Look if you are drunk enough to not know were you are and you are at the wrong house you are very drunk. And if you cant see that then you need helpSolidSnake35
I need help because I might not recognise a drunk. Right, and this is coming from the guy who wants instant death for all wrongdoers...

Look how old are you maybe when you have been in the real world as long as I have you will start to see things different. And dont try and play the word game did I say all wrongdoers no we are talking about a person breaking into your home.

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But they are two different occurances and a bad analogy.LJS9502_basic
But, that's all this guy was doing, breaking and entering...

And, from how I read the story, it doesn't seem like he'd even finished entering before he was shot to death.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] He should knock then....not break in.:|Jandurin

Ex-girlfriend.

Or, maybe she was out.

I've broken into my girlfriend's house before.

Though, I used a window I knew I could take apart.

That's still criminal trespass...and and breaking and entering. If you don't own the place...you don't go in unless invited;)

Yeah, so, I guess I'm a criminal, do I deserve to be shot?

No, but she could be justified in shooting you. If she did she doesn't deserve to be condemmed, she was only defending herself.

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#94 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]If someone broke into my house, I wouldn't hesitate to do the most damage I can to the intruder. Home instrusion is ****ed up. GodLovesDead

So's killing someone who's unarmed for breaking in.

No it isn't. How do I know they don't intend to harm me? What if I turn my back and he kills me? If someone's willing to break into someone's house, they are insane.

They're unarmed! You have a gun... there's no need to kill. O_O
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[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Right now no. But if she had been home and pulled the trigger yes.SolidSnake35
So crimes are only punishable at the very moment they're committed?

There is a bit of a difference in the courts and spur of the moment fear.;)

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#96 effthat
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[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]Oh and LOL at the idiots trying to turn this into a gun control thread. Yes, you countries who have banned guns have done so well as to leave your law-abiding citizens defenseless as gun crimes in your countries are going down whereas in places like Detroit we have gun crimes declining. Banning guns is quite possibly one of the DUMBEST things we could do. Do you really think most criminals go around using legal firearms that could be traced back to them? No.SolidSnake35
Why the hell do you have so many gun wielding criminals? Sort out that problem first, then maybe you'll be able to make sensible progress and ban guns like most safe countries.

The legality of wielding a firearm doesn't matter to a criminal. Furthermore, the fact that they are a criminal and the fact that they have a gun aren't directly correlated. It may be in countries where guns are illegal, but in the US it doesn't because guns are legal. Not all people wielding guns are criminals.

Taking guns away from our honest citizens and police force doesn't take guns away from criminals.

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[QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]If someone broke into my house, I wouldn't hesitate to do the most damage I can to the intruder. Home instrusion is ****ed up. GodLovesDead

So's killing someone who's unarmed for breaking in.

No it isn't. How do I know they don't intend to harm me? What if I turn my back and he kills me? If someone's willing to break into someone's house, they are insane.

Or poor.

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No, but she could be justified in shooting you. If she did she doesn't deserve to be condemmed, she was only defending herself.flowdee79
"Could" be justified.

It is like Minority Report. Killing people for crimes they may commit, or seem to have the intent to commit.

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They're unarmed! You have a gun... there's no need to kill. O_OSolidSnake35

And in a second in the dark you know they are unarmed because?

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#100 flowdee79
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In theory you guys may think this but I dont think any of you are unfortunate enough to be in that situation. In practice I bet most of you if not all will shoot the intruder.