Intruder shot and killed!!!

If someone was breaking into my house I wouldn't mess with them unless they were trying to hurt me or my family but if all they want is a game console or some money, thats not worth risking my life. On the other hand if he is going to hurt me or family I'll take that chance.

Also it feels as when I was reading this thread that Americans are getting blamed for the situation that they are in but the right to bear arms is much older than anyone on this board and back then it proberly made more sense. Nowadays guns shouldn't be nessesary but as been said in this thread a gun amnisty wouldn't help make matters better. I also renember a knife amnisty in the UK a while ago I believe that knife crime acually rose during that weekend, now I know thats a coinsidance as there is no way you could a rise in knife crime with an knife amnisty but I thought it was pretty funny and shows that criminals arn't bothered with amnistys.

At the end of the day if someone breaks into my house and trys to hurt me or my family and I have a gun then I'm not going pondor wheather it's right or wheather I should shoot him in the legs or check if he has a gun I'm just going to shoot.

Killing is wrong. So, yes, he should have injured him, not kill him. Thiago26792

Killing is not wrong if it's self defense. It's you or him, take your pick. When someone is breaking into my den, then I'm not thinking about, well, I better go ask him if he's armed or not. I better go ask him if he just wants some items from my home or if he wants to hurt us. Are you kidding? If he's breaking into my den that I worked my a** off to own, and puts my family at risk, then I am not just shooting to injure.. that is the STUPIDEST thing you can do. You shoot him square in the chest. I could give a **** if the guy lives or dies.. that was his decision from the moment he decided to intrude on our lives. Grow a pair.. protect yourself.

[QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ravirr"]

After reading all that here is what I can conclude

The US is a crap hole place that it is filled with crime every day. People walk out the door and get mugged at least 5 times while they get there news paper.

Crime is not that bad here. It really isn't. Guns are not the problem.

SolidSnake35

I live up in the mountains of colorado and I feel DAMN safe up where I am, I also have plenty of guns lining my closet. I think I'll just stay where I am and keep my guns handy, definitely am not scared just because someone may or may not attempt to rob me. If I didnt have guns, however, I would hardly feel "safer".

EDIT: my post disappeared. Anyway, you're making a false correlation between guns and the crime rate. People can't be trusted in general with or without guns. You even admit that it's your own dislike of firearms that is the underlying aspect of your view. It is easier to work an arguement for something we believe than something we do not.

Guns aren't the problem. Banning guns is not the answer. There are much better ways to lower the crime rate than to ban guns.

[QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Ravirr"]

After reading all that here is what I can conclude

The US is a crap hole place that it is filled with crime every day. People walk out the door and get mugged at least 5 times while they get there news paper.

Crime is not that bad here. It really isn't. Guns are not the problem.

SolidSnake35

I live up in the mountains of colorado and I feel DAMN safe up where I am, I also have plenty of guns lining my closet. I think I'll just stay where I am and keep my guns handy, definitely am not scared just because someone may or may not attempt to rob me. If I didnt have guns, however, I would hardly feel "safer".

I agree. Like I said earlier I live in a safe area in the UK and even at the risk of me being burgled Im still happy that I dont possess firearms. My house isnt that big anyway so the thief would get far before being busted.

[QUOTE="howlrunner13"]Oh yes use this as a way to slander America. Nothing new from the UK. :roll:SolidSnake35

I have nothing against UK Just people that fear guns so much and think they are the root of all problems.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="howlrunner13"]Oh yes use this as a way to slander America. Nothing new from the UK. :roll:blasto65_basic

I have nothing against UK Just people that fear guns so much and think they are the root of all problems.

I don't I just think they're not the solution ;).

I have nothing against UK Just people that fear guns so much and think they are the root of all problems.blasto65_basic

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="howlrunner13"]Oh yes use this as a way to slander America. Nothing new from the UK. :roll:james28893

I have nothing against UK Just people that fear guns so much and think they are the root of all problems.

I don't I just think they're not the solution ;).

OK but they are not the problem

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"] I have nothing against UK Just people that fear guns so much and think they are the root of all problems.Jandurin

OK but they are not the problemblasto65_basic

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]OK but they are not the problemSolidSnake35

That's the furthest from ideal as one can get.

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]OK but they are not the problemSolidSnake35

Only naughty men carry guns. First who uses the word naughty. So all soldiers and cops are bad.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]It'd be one thing if this was a new thing and the criminal was unarmed, but it isnt a new thing. Nowadays, everyone knows that people are willing and legally capable of making your innards come out with a shotgun blast if you break into your house. So if a criminal breaks into someones house, hell, i'd shoot him. I'm not going to ask him to let me pat him down and check him for a gun, if i see a masked guy bash the door open and run quickly into the house, i'm going to blow his ****ing brains out.james28893

Why? You could just wound him.

Shooting to wound is extremely hard when adrenaline is pumpinf you'll more than likely miss not to mention you do have arteries that run through your legs and such you just as easily die from a shot to the leg as a shot to the chest.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]OK but they are not the problemblasto65_basic

Only naughty men carry guns. First who uses the word naughty. So all soldiers and cops are bad.

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]OK but they are not the problemSolidSnake35

Only naughty men carry guns. First who uses the word naughty. So all soldiers and cops are bad.

Well see this is the real world and there never has and never will be a perfect society.

Well see this is the real world and there never has and never will be a perfect society.blasto65_basic

[QUOTE="wkutopper6"][QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]It'd be one thing if this was a new thing and the criminal was unarmed, but it isnt a new thing. Nowadays, everyone knows that people are willing and legally capable of making your innards come out with a shotgun blast if you break into your house. So if a criminal breaks into someones house, hell, i'd shoot him. I'm not going to ask him to let me pat him down and check him for a gun, if i see a masked guy bash the door open and run quickly into the house, i'm going to blow his ****ing brains out.james28893

Why? You could just wound him.

What happens if he is own drugs like all hopped up and you shot him to wound him then he kills you?

Shoot the dude in the crotch, he wouldn't get up, or shoot him in both legs, or both arms, or both hands, these shots would all incapacitate him and he would no longer be a threat (I've trained with guns).

because if you've trained you'd know you want to aim for the largest areas, center of mass, etc.. not feet or arms.. besides, its likely to have happened very quickly.. you're not gonna sit there and think "hmm. let me try to get a good shot at his foot" while in the middle of the situation.

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Well see this is the real world and there never has and never will be a perfect society.SolidSnake35

Well good luck to you on that. See the thing you forget is we are humans and what we can not control we destroy fact of life so you thought of a perfect world will never happen till humans are dead and gone from this planet.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Well see this is the real world and there never has and never will be a perfect society.blasto65_basic

Well good luck to you on that. See the thing you forget is we are humans and what we can not control we destroy fact of life so you thought of a perfect world will never happen till humans are dead and gone from this planet.

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Well see this is the real world and there never has and never will be a perfect society.SolidSnake35

Well good luck to you on that. See the thing you forget is we are humans and what we can not control we destroy fact of life so you thought of a perfect world will never happen till humans are dead and gone from this planet.

No it cant well yes it could if someone breaks in and you don't have a gun to defend your self.

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]OK but they are not the problemSolidSnake35

This is the most childish vision of gun fear I have seen in a while. As long as people in America dont feel this way then I think we have a pretty decent outlook.

This kind of fearfulness is exactly why criminals have such an easy time taking advantage of the populace. I say screw this reasoning, STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES! At least have the marbles to defend yourselves.

Here's a personal guarantee I will make towards anyone thinking about robbing someone (in America). One of these days you will attempt to break into someones house who has a mentality like myself. You are going to get a nice bloody hole put in your head or your chest about the size of a silver dollar! Think about it, what would prevent you more from taking place in a robbery.... someone who has a kitchen knife or a butterknife OR someone who is packing a .40 cal or .45 cal handgun close to where the house owner resides? I know what would stop me...

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]OK but they are not the problemjer_1

This is the most childish vision of gun fear I have seen in a while. As long as people in America dont feel this way then I think we have a pretty decent outlook.

[QUOTE="jer_1"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]OK but they are not the problemSolidSnake35

This is the most childish vision of gun fear I have seen in a while. As long as people in America dont feel this way then I think we have a pretty decent outlook.

I think the misconception is that we think guns are great. We don't think guns are great. We also don't think that banning guns is the proper step.

[QUOTE="jer_1"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]OK but they are not the problemSolidSnake35

This is the most childish vision of gun fear I have seen in a while. As long as people in America dont feel this way then I think we have a pretty decent outlook.

Personally I'd pick for everyone to have a gun. I am along the lines of reason that an unarmed population is easily controlled and manipulated by its government. This is something I dont want in America, we dont need more unarmed dumbed down masses. I will give you one thing, I wouldnt be advocating guns for known criminals or people with major mental problems. Otherwise I wish people would arm themselves. An armed public is a public that will not be so easily controlled. GUNS FOR EVERYONE!

[QUOTE="wkutopper6"][QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]It'd be one thing if this was a new thing and the criminal was unarmed, but it isnt a new thing. Nowadays, everyone knows that people are willing and legally capable of making your innards come out with a shotgun blast if you break into your house. So if a criminal breaks into someones house, hell, i'd shoot him. I'm not going to ask him to let me pat him down and check him for a gun, if i see a masked guy bash the door open and run quickly into the house, i'm going to blow his ****ing brains out.james28893

Why? You could just wound him.

What happens if he is own drugs like all hopped up and you shot him to wound him then he kills you?

Shoot the dude in the crotch, he wouldn't get up, or shoot him in both legs, or both arms, or both hands, these shots would all incapacitate him and he would no longer be a threat (I've trained with guns).

GUNS FOR EVERYONE!jer_1

Confront him at gun point. Tell him to get onto your front lawn on his knees, and then scream for help. Shoot him in the leg if he tries to move.

Thats what I'd have done. If I had a gun. Since no one does here, I'd probably just have tried to club him in the back of the skull with my old baton.

[QUOTE="jer_1"]GUNS FOR EVERYONE!SolidSnake35

Im sure the Jewish folk in Germany said the exact same thing back in the 30's.

Trusting a government is the LAST thing anyone should do. Almost all forms of government from, Republic to Democracy to Communist nation, have time and time again proven themselves untrustworthy. Governments dont care about the people they are in control of, they only see YOU and I as cattle, as cannon-fodder to be used for political means.

I am not trying to convince you to change your outlook, nor do I care to. Just realize that MANY people do understand the worth of being able to protect themselves and I am definitely one of them. I guess enjoy your police state in the UK...

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Don't play dumb, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Suppose you find that a stranger has broken in through your daughter's bedroom window while she is sleeping.Now please explain to me step-by-step how you fix the problem by lowering violent crime.SolidSnake35

And here is the problem right here. You are assuming that life is like a movie, and that it is possible to just restrain anyone.

Hey, sure you'll manage to restrain him without him hurting or killing you or a family member in the process. After all, you're the good guy, and the good guys always win, right?

I live in South Africa, do u think I need a gun for protection?

Here's the short version, which is what I heard from my mother that morning, over a year ago (details came slowly, over the next few days). Ben, who's 37, had come home from work that night after midnight. He works in arts management, so late nights at performances or events are part of his job. Annie, his 29-year-old wife (or bride, as I still thought of her, since the last time I'd seen them was at their wedding that March) was asleep at home, a modest townhouse in a gated suburban complex, typical for young, professional, but not particularly affluent white South Africans. As usual, Ben drove his car through the electronic gate and parked in the lot. He was walking the few hundred yards down the path to his door when somebody emerged from the darkness behind him and thrust a gun to his head.

Although Ben immediately offered up his wallet and car keys, three young men with guns forced their way into the house, proceeded to rape Annie (in Ben's presence, à la Clockwork Orange), pistol-whip both of them, tie them up, gag them and torture them intermittently for the next five hours. During those hours, having bundled Ben and Annie into duvets so they couldn't see, breathe or move, the intruders robbed and trashed the place at their leisure, pausing only to cook themselves a meal and drink all the liquor in the house.

Quite a party they threw themselves, apparently, interrupting it now and then to threaten Ben and Annie with death if they so much as coughed (which, given that they had towels stuffed into their mouths, was hard to avoid). At some point in this very long night, the men left, loading Ben's car with everything they could lift, but Ben and Annie, not knowing if their assailants would return, or if all of them had indeed left, waited until they heard birdsong before daring to move."

http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]Don't play dumb, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Suppose you find that a stranger has broken in through your daughter's bedroom window while she is sleeping.Now please explain to me step-by-step how you fix the problem by lowering violent crime.MrGeezer

And here is the problem right here. You are assuming that life is like a movie, and that it is possible to just restrain anyone.

Hey, sure you'll manage to restrain him without him hurting or killing you or a family member in the process. After all, you're the good guy, and the good guys always win, right?