Intruder shot and killed!!!

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Look if you are drunk enough to not know were you are and you are at the wrong house you are very drunk. And if you cant see that then you need helpblasto65_basic

Look how old are you maybe when you have been in the real world as long as I have you will start to see things different. And dont try and play the word game did I say all wrongdoers no we are talking about a person breaking into your home.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] They're unarmed! You have a gun... there's no need to kill. O_OLJS9502_basic

And in a second in the dark you know they are unarmed because?

In theory you guys may think this but I dont think any of you are unfortunate enough to be in that situation. In practice I bet most of you if not all will shoot the intruder.flowdee79

I got held up at gunpoint, I never wanted to shoot that guy (not that I had a gun).

Or poor.

james28893

Poor..no. Strung out on drugs.....yes.

Poor does not mean criminal.:|

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"][QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]If someone broke into my house, I wouldn't hesitate to do the most damage I can to the intruder. Home instrusion is ****ed up. SolidSnake35

So's killing someone who's unarmed for breaking in.

No it isn't. How do I know they don't intend to harm me? What if I turn my back and he kills me? If someone's willing to break into someone's house, they are insane.

I never said I have a gun. And how do I know they are unarmed? If someone pulls a gun to your head, and you shoot him unexpectedly and it turns out he has no bullets - the man deserves to die regardless.

If someone breaks into my house - I'm in fear for my life. If I had a gun (which I don't), I would most definitely shoot at them. Just probably not somewhere lethal.

[QUOTE="flowdee79"]No, but she could be justified in shooting you. If she did she doesn't deserve to be condemmed, she was only defending herself.Jandurin

It is like Minority Report. Killing people for crimes they may commit, or seem to have the intent to commit.

Would you blame her? I wouldn't go into someone elses house without at least informing them Im in there.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]Oh and LOL at the idiots trying to turn this into a gun control thread. Yes, you countries who have banned guns have done so well as to leave your law-abiding citizens defenseless as gun crimes in your countries are going down whereas in places like Detroit we have gun crimes declining. Banning guns is quite possibly one of the DUMBEST things we could do. Do you really think most criminals go around using legal firearms that could be traced back to them? No.effthat

The legality of wielding a firearm doesn't matter to a criminal. Furthermore, the fact that they are a criminal and the fact that they have a gun aren't directly correlated. It may be in countries where guns are illegal, but in the US it doesn't because guns are legal. Not all people wielding guns are criminals.

Taking guns away from our honest citizens and police force doesn't take guns away from criminals.

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[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"][QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]If someone broke into my house, I wouldn't hesitate to do the most damage I can to the intruder. Home instrusion is ****ed up. james28893

So's killing someone who's unarmed for breaking in.

No it isn't. How do I know they don't intend to harm me? What if I turn my back and he kills me? If someone's willing to break into someone's house, they are insane.

Or poor.

So being poor gives you the right to turn to crime to change your being poor. Sorry your attempt at logic fails

It wasn't dark. 5PM isn't dark, to my knowledge.

Jandurin

I'm not talking specifically about this case. I'm talking in general.

[QUOTE="james28893"]

Or poor.

LJS9502_basic

Poor..no. Strung out on drugs.....yes.

Poor does not mean criminal.:|

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Look if you are drunk enough to not know were you are and you are at the wrong house you are very drunk. And if you cant see that then you need helpSolidSnake35

Look how old are you maybe when you have been in the real world as long as I have you will start to see things different. And dont try and play the word game did I say all wrongdoers no we are talking about a person breaking into your home.

So what magic world do you live in were everyone is peacefully and loves each other.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] They're unarmed! You have a gun... there's no need to kill. O_OJandurin

And in a second in the dark you know they are unarmed because?

In theory you guys may think this but I dont think any of you are unfortunate enough to be in that situation. In practice I bet most of you if not all will shoot the intruder.flowdee79

I got held up at gunpoint, I never wanted to shoot that guy (not that I had a gun).

In theory you guys may think this but I dont think any of you are unfortunate enough to be in that situation. In practice I bet most of you if not all will shoot the intruder.flowdee79

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"]

Or poor.

SolidSnake35

Poor..no. Strung out on drugs.....yes.

Poor does not mean criminal.:|

And being poor does not give you the right to take from others.;)

[QUOTE="james28893"]

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[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"][QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]If someone broke into my house, I wouldn't hesitate to do the most damage I can to the intruder. Home instrusion is ****ed up. blasto65_basic

So's killing someone who's unarmed for breaking in.

No it isn't. How do I know they don't intend to harm me? What if I turn my back and he kills me? If someone's willing to break into someone's house, they are insane.

Or poor.

So being poor gives you the right to turn to crime to change your being poor. Sorry your attempt at logic fails

Yea, I've never heard of house intrusion out of being poor. Maybe mugging in the streets at most (which qualifies them as being armed anyways, making them a threat).

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"]

Or poor.

SolidSnake35

Poor..no. Strung out on drugs.....yes.

Poor does not mean criminal.:|

No it does not

[QUOTE="james28893"]

Or poor.

LJS9502_basic

Poor..no. Strung out on drugs.....yes.

Poor does not mean criminal.:|

I didn't mean it that way, but I know someone who broke into someone else's house because he didn't have enough money for food.

So what magic world do you live in were everyone is peacefully and loves each other.blasto65_basic

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"]

Or poor.

blasto65_basic

Poor..no. Strung out on drugs.....yes.

Poor does not mean criminal.:|

No it does not

[QUOTE="flowdee79"]In theory you guys may think this but I dont think any of you are unfortunate enough to be in that situation. In practice I bet most of you if not all will shoot the intruder.SolidSnake35

Agreed. I live in London and my house is very safe. No real trouble in the neighbourhood. A few muggings and very rarely a shooting, maybe once or twice in the 16 years I lived there.

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]So what magic world do you live in were everyone is peacefully and loves each other.SolidSnake35

We dont live in fear but you have the right to protect your self

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"]

Or poor.

LJS9502_basic

Poor..no. Strung out on drugs.....yes.

Poor does not mean criminal.:|

And being poor does not give you the right to take from others.;)

Doesn't the Bible say it's OK to steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving family?

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"]

Or poor.

SolidSnake35

Poor..no. Strung out on drugs.....yes.

Poor does not mean criminal.:|

No it does not

:lol:

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="flowdee79"]In theory you guys may think this but I dont think any of you are unfortunate enough to be in that situation. In practice I bet most of you if not all will shoot the intruder.flowdee79

Agreed. I live in London and my house is very safe. No real trouble in the neighbourhood. A few muggings and very rarely a shooting, maybe once or twice in the 16 years I lived there.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"]

Or poor.

james28893

Poor..no. Strung out on drugs.....yes.

Poor does not mean criminal.:|

And being poor does not give you the right to take from others.;)

Doesn't the Bible say it's OK to steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving family?

Well the bible says alot of things that are wrong or untrue so dont use it

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]So what magic world do you live in were everyone is peacefully and loves each other.blasto65_basic

We dont live in fear but you have the right to protect your self

Doesn't the Bible say it's OK to steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving family?

james28893

It says...Thou shalt not steal;)

[QUOTE="flowdee79"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="flowdee79"]In theory you guys may think this but I dont think any of you are unfortunate enough to be in that situation. In practice I bet most of you if not all will shoot the intruder.SolidSnake35

Agreed. I live in London and my house is very safe. No real trouble in the neighbourhood. A few muggings and very rarely a shooting, maybe once or twice in the 16 years I lived there.

Well since you dont live here and know what it is like then you can stop passing judgement on people that do what they do to protect them selves.

[QUOTE="james28893"]

Doesn't the Bible say it's OK to steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving family?

LJS9502_basic

It says...Thou shalt not steal;)

Relative morality ftw ;).

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="flowdee79"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="flowdee79"]In theory you guys may think this but I dont think any of you are unfortunate enough to be in that situation. In practice I bet most of you if not all will shoot the intruder.blasto65_basic

Agreed. I live in London and my house is very safe. No real trouble in the neighbourhood. A few muggings and very rarely a shooting, maybe once or twice in the 16 years I lived there.

Well since you dont live here and know what it is like then you can stop passing judgement on people that do what they do to protect them selves.

Yeah, because home invasion is strictly limited to the US.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"]

Doesn't the Bible say it's OK to steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving family?

james28893

It says...Thou shalt not steal;)

Relative morality ftw ;).

That's not in the least relative.:lol: It's cut and dried. Stealing is wrong. If you're so poor you don't have food...the government is there with assistance.

But as long as we're on the subject of relative morality....then one has the right to shoot and kill an intruder. Period. /thread thanks to james.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="flowdee79"]No, but she could be justified in shooting you. If she did she doesn't deserve to be condemmed, she was only defending herself.flowdee79

It is like Minority Report. Killing people for crimes they may commit, or seem to have the intent to commit.

Would you blame her? I wouldn't go into someone elses house without at least informing them Im in there.

And she knew I was coming.

And, yes, I would ****ing blame her for shooting me!

In theory you guys may think this but I dont think any of you are unfortunate enough to be in that situation. In practice I bet most of you if not all will shoot the intruder.flowdee79

Well since you dont live here and know what it is like then you can stop passing judgement on people that do what they do to protect them selves.blasto65_basic

[QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"]

Doesn't the Bible say it's OK to steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving family?

LJS9502_basic

It says...Thou shalt not steal;)

Relative morality ftw ;).

That's not in the least relative.:lol: It's cut and dried. Stealing is wrong. If you're so poor you don't have food...the government is there with assistance.

But as long as we're on the subject of relative morality....then one has the right to shoot and kill an intruder. Period. /thread thanks to james.

Again you've partially mistaken what I've said, some things (in my books at least) should be allowed in certain situations, such as stealing and killing (though that should only be done if you or someone besides the attackerare guaranteed to be killed if action is not taken). Again in my opinion someone intruding on you're property is not a guarantee that you yourself are going to be killed, thus it would not be correct to kill the intruder.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"]

Doesn't the Bible say it's OK to steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving family?

james28893

It says...Thou shalt not steal;)

Relative morality ftw ;).

That's not in the least relative.:lol: It's cut and dried. Stealing is wrong. If you're so poor you don't have food...the government is there with assistance.

But as long as we're on the subject of relative morality....then one has the right to shoot and kill an intruder. Period. /thread thanks to james.

Again you've partially mistaken what I've said, some things (in my books at least) should be allowed in certain situations, such as stealing and killing (though that should only be done if you or someone besides the attackerare guaranteed to be killed if action is not taken). Again in my opinion someone intruding on you're property is not a guarantee that you yourself are going to be killed, thus it would not be correct to kill the intruder.

I haven't mistaken a thing...don't try to wiggle out of what you just said. ;)

Second.....if one loses the guarantee one is dead. That's not odds that I'd choose to have.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]It'd be one thing if this was a new thing and the criminal was unarmed, but it isnt a new thing. Nowadays, everyone knows that people are willing and legally capable of making your innards come out with a shotgun blast if you break into your house. So if a criminal breaks into someones house, hell, i'd shoot him. I'm not going to ask him to let me pat him down and check him for a gun, if i see a masked guy bash the door open and run quickly into the house, i'm going to blow his ****ing brains out.james28893

Why? You could just wound him.

i understand that in this specific situation (the news) the owner should NOT have shot the will-be intruder.

however, i just dont see your point. i dont see how we, as owners, should just WOUND the intruder, whereas the intruder, if he had a chance, would KILL us. i don't think anyone has the chance to look if he/she has any weapons at his/her disposal.

if i see someone in my house, at anytime, that no one in the house knows this person, I'D SHOOT HIM. or there goes invasion of privacy and private property.

[QUOTE="blasto65_basic"]Well since you dont live here and know what it is like then you can stop passing judgement on people that do what they do to protect them selves.SolidSnake35

Look first I dont even Owen a gun so dont pass judgement on me. Get of your pedestal that you have placed your self on and get real.

iwhereas the intruder, if he had a chance, would KILL us.rowzzr

[QUOTE="flowdee79"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="flowdee79"]No, but she could be justified in shooting you. If she did she doesn't deserve to be condemmed, she was only defending herself.Jandurin

It is like Minority Report. Killing people for crimes they may commit, or seem to have the intent to commit.

Would you blame her? I wouldn't go into someone elses house without at least informing them Im in there.

And she knew I was coming.

And, yes, I would ****ing blame her for shooting me!

There is your answer.

[QUOTE="rowzzr"]iwhereas the intruder, if he had a chance, would KILL us.Jandurin

And you don't know that he won't......I'm not willing to risk my family on the chance that the intruder came in to pet my kitten.:|

[QUOTE="james28893"]

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]It'd be one thing if this was a new thing and the criminal was unarmed, but it isnt a new thing. Nowadays, everyone knows that people are willing and legally capable of making your innards come out with a shotgun blast if you break into your house. So if a criminal breaks into someones house, hell, i'd shoot him. I'm not going to ask him to let me pat him down and check him for a gun, if i see a masked guy bash the door open and run quickly into the house, i'm going to blow his ****ing brains out.rowzzr

Why? You could just wound him.

i understand that in this specific situation (the news) the owner should NOT have shot the will-be intruder.

however, i just dont see your point. i dont see how we, as owners, should just WOUND the intruder, whereas the intruder, if he had a chance, would KILL us. i don't think anyone has the chance to look if he/she has any weapons at his/her disposal.

if i see someone in my house, at anytime, that no one in the house knows this person, I'D SHOOT HIM. or there goes invasion of privacy and private property.

It's a big assumption that the intruder would kill you, he may just run away when he saw you or he may realise that he doesn't want to kill you and just shoot to wound or shoot near you. Not every criminal wants to be a murderer, not every criminal is willing to kill even if the alternative is jail.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="rowzzr"]iwhereas the intruder, if he had a chance, would KILL us.LJS9502_basic

And you don't know that he won't......I'm not willing to risk my family on the chance that the intruder came in to pet my kitten.:)

I'd probably be 1000x more likely to kill if I had chilluns to protect :o

But, for just myself? I'd be willing to take a risk and just tell the guy to not move whilst I called the cops.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="rowzzr"]iwhereas the intruder, if he had a chance, would KILL us.LJS9502_basic

And you don't know that he won't......I'm not willing to risk my family on the chance that the intruder came in to pet my kitten.:|

LOL that just hit me funny

[QUOTE="flowdee79"]In theory you guys may think this but I dont think any of you are unfortunate enough to be in that situation. In practice I bet most of you if not all will shoot the intruder.-Twilight-

Like you said you were young.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"]

Doesn't the Bible say it's OK to steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving family?

james28893

It says...Thou shalt not steal;)

Relative morality ftw ;).

That's not in the least relative.:lol: It's cut and dried. Stealing is wrong. If you're so poor you don't have food...the government is there with assistance.

But as long as we're on the subject of relative morality....then one has the right to shoot and kill an intruder. Period. /thread thanks to james.

Again you've partially mistaken what I've said, some things (in my books at least) should be allowed in certain situations, such as stealing and killing (though that should only be done if you or someone besides the attackerare guaranteed to be killed if action is not taken). Again in my opinion someone intruding on you're property is not a guarantee that you yourself are going to be killed, thus it would not be correct to kill the intruder.

Someone is imposing a risk on you through illegal action. Let's say someone was holding your child with a knife to his throat and was demanding all your money or something like that. You have a gun and you're 100% sure you can shoot the man. You wouldn't shoot the man just because you entirely sure if he's actually going to kill your child?

[QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="james28893"]

Doesn't the Bible say it's OK to steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving family?

LJS9502_basic

It says...Thou shalt not steal;)

Relative morality ftw ;).

That's not in the least relative.:lol: It's cut and dried. Stealing is wrong. If you're so poor you don't have food...the government is there with assistance.

But as long as we're on the subject of relative morality....then one has the right to shoot and kill an intruder. Period. /thread thanks to james.

Again you've partially mistaken what I've said, some things (in my books at least) should be allowed in certain situations, such as stealing and killing (though that should only be done if you or someone besides the attackerare guaranteed to be killed if action is not taken). Again in my opinion someone intruding on you're property is not a guarantee that you yourself are going to be killed, thus it would not be correct to kill the intruder.

I haven't mistaken a thing...don't try to wiggle out of what you just said. ;)

Second.....if one loses the guarantee one is dead. That's not odds that I'd choose to have.

OK, I'll try better next time, and stop winking ;).

Let's say someone was holding your child with a knife to his throat and was demanding all your money or something like that. You have a gun and you're 100% sure you can shoot the man. You wouldn't shoot the man just because you entirely sure if he's actually going to do it? GodLovesDead

It's a big assumption that the intruder would kill you, he may just run away when he saw you or he may realise that he doesn't want to kill you and just shoot to wound or shoot near you. Not every criminal wants to be a murderer, not every criminal is willing to kill even if the alternative is jail.

james28893

The fact that not all intruders will kill does not make you safe. You have no way to predict the outcome. Most home invaders are armed. It's been proven that a criminal that is armed will use their weapon when startled...or something out of the ordinary happens.

Your life may have little value to you...but most people place importance on their life, the lives of their family and will do what they need to survive.

Survival is a basic instinct.