Iranian woman will be whipped 99 times for being in a photo with no veil

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="godwhydoibother"]Who's they? The misogynists who are running the show might want it, but do the downtrodden, oppressed women of Iran really want this barbarism forced upon them? Don't be absurd. You're patronisingly lumping all of Iran - the theocrats, those they oppress, the people protesting against the theocrats - into a homogenous block. It's not like that. Our culture IS superior to the culture of the brutal totalitarians in power, and you should be ashamed of your refusal to support the rights of the individual against extremist theocracy.MaxPred2010

Well some parts are opinion, but when it comes to freedom and laws... US is indeed superior..

A lot of us Muslims try to tell others that Islam is not an evil religion, but with crazy folks like these (not the victim here), I'm not surprised most people consider us animals.ghoklebutter

This is hardly a representation of Islam, but of a theocracy controlled by a select few.. Theocracies and religious monarchies hardly ever follow the religion inless its their interpretation.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="godwhydoibother"]Who's they? The misogynists who are running the show might want it, but do the downtrodden, oppressed women of Iran really want this barbarism forced upon them? Don't be absurd. You're patronisingly lumping all of Iran - the theocrats, those they oppress, the people protesting against the theocrats - into a homogenous block. It's not like that. Our culture IS superior to the culture of the brutal totalitarians in power, and you should be ashamed of your refusal to support the rights of the individual against extremist theocracy.MaxPred2010

If they will wan't democracy, they will resist and then I will fully support us taking action against their leadership, but for now, I don't see any reason why we should force our opions on other people again.chaplainDMK

Well, as they have already resisted, I guess you will then support their rights?

Though wikipedia is occasionally a bit dubious, here is nice summary of the 2009 Iraninan election protests... I suggest you read it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Iranian_election_protests

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[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"] No its not superior. Its superior in OUR view. They don't work like we do. Their whole culture is bassed around religion, and they think its a grave sin for woman to show their bodies. I don't think its a sin, I have nothing against woman, but I think that we shouldnt be all gung ho missionaries forcing OUR ways of life onto others. How do you know they don't want this? What if they also think its a great sin to show their bodies? How do YOU know what THEY want. All of this "our culture is superior" is OUR OPINION. But it's not theirs... sSubZerOo

Well some parts are opinion, but when it comes to freedom and laws... US is indeed superior..

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[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"] No its not superior. Its superior in OUR view. They don't work like we do. Their whole culture is bassed around religion, and they think its a grave sin for woman to show their bodies. I don't think its a sin, I have nothing against woman, but I think that we shouldnt be all gung ho missionaries forcing OUR ways of life onto others. How do you know they don't want this? What if they also think its a great sin to show their bodies? How do YOU know what THEY want. All of this "our culture is superior" is OUR OPINION. But it's not theirs... chaplainDMK

No where has any one forced that life****. What people are being critical of is the fact that the government will put people to death with life**** they do not agree with.. That is a world of difference.. I honestly could care less what life****they choose.. But we are talkinga bout a government thats putting down people due to religious laws.. Furthermore if you think the reason why Iranian leadership is still in power because the peopel want or like it.. The you have little clue of dictatorships.. I suppose every one loved the Shah in Iran for 26 years too even though he was brutal and corrupt? Granted he was overthrown it took decades though.. Thats not sound logic.

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[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"] No its not superior. Its superior in OUR view. They don't work like we do. Their whole culture is bassed around religion, and they think its a grave sin for woman to show their bodies. I don't think its a sin, I have nothing against woman, but I think that we shouldnt be all gung ho missionaries forcing OUR ways of life onto others. How do you know they don't want this? What if they also think its a great sin to show their bodies? How do YOU know what THEY want. All of this "our culture is superior" is OUR OPINION. But it's not theirs... chaplainDMK

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[QUOTE="MaxPred2010"] How many hours of politically correct cultural relativism BS have been drilled into your head, that you actually BELIEVE a single sentence of what you just said?

Western culture IS superior, and it's not an opinion. It's a FACT. The quality of life is factually superior in America and Europe than it is in countries like Iran.

MaxPred2010

Thats not a good example.. Nazi Germany provoked the war with the Allies through invasion... This is completely different.

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[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"] Why do you think that they have the same values as we do? Why do you think they wan't to have fancy cars and drive around in fancy revealing clothes drinking alcohol all day long and having sex for fun?
What makes you think their values don't revolve around not commiting sinful acts?
If they will wan't democracy, they will resist and then I will fully support us taking action against their leadership, but for now, I don't see any reason why we should force our opions on other people again.

sSubZerOo

Thats not a good example.. Nazi Germany provoked the war with the Allies through invasion... This is completely different.

There's no such thing as moral relativism. That's something the left wing and their apologists have been trying to drill into your head, and it looks like it's working. True, some issues can be seen in shades of gray, but there is black and there is white in this world, and anyone with an ounce of moral fortitude should be able to see that.

And you talk about us trying to force our values and lifestyles on them? What do you think they've been doing for centuries? Does the word "jihad" ring a bell? Their ultimate goal is to turn the entire world into an Islamic theocracy, so don't talk about us trying to force our views on anybody.

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[QUOTE="MaxPred2010"] Yeah, maybe we should have just left the Nazis alone too. Because their country and their opinion, and who are we to force our opinions on them, amirite?

MaxPred2010

Thats not a good example.. Nazi Germany provoked the war with the Allies through invasion... This is completely different.

From what I've been observing, Muslims are actually doing a pretty good job of killing Jews.

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Thats not a good example.. Nazi Germany provoked the war with the Allies through invasion... This is completely different.

Metal_Mario99

From what I've been observing, Muslims are actually doing a pretty good job of killing Jews.

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Thats not a good example.. Nazi Germany provoked the war with the Allies through invasion... This is completely different.

Metal_Mario99

From what I've been observing, Muslims are actually doing a pretty good job of killing Jews.

A lot of us Muslims try to tell others that Islam is not an evil religion, but with crazy folks like these (not the victim here), I'm not surprised most people consider us animals.ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]A lot of us Muslims try to tell others that Islam is not an evil religion, but with crazy folks like these (not the victim here), I'm not surprised most people consider us animals.GazaAli

[QUOTE="Fudgycakes"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Doesn't make that right. No group should make slaves out of others....LJS9502_basic

^^Absolutely. And thank you for being sensible about this.

why 99?

PcGamingRig

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]A lot of us Muslims try to tell others that Islam is not an evil religion, but with crazy folks like these (not the victim here), I'm not surprised most people consider us animals.ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] drop that attitude, its not doing anyone good, including yourself.Sajo7

Oh, absolutely. Just the other day I heard about a bunch of Christians who blew up three thousand people in London, and I wondered to myself, "Why isn't this getting any attention?"

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Maybe, but it's still the truth. We can use as many words as we want, but in the end, we need to improve ourselves before we can improve Islam's image. Actions speak louder than words.Metal_Mario99

Oh, absolutely. Just the other day I heard about a bunch of Christians who blew up three thousand people in London, and I wondered to myself, "Why isn't this getting any attention?"

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Maybe, but it's still the truth. We can use as many words as we want, but in the end, we need to improve ourselves before we can improve Islam's image. Actions speak louder than words.Metal_Mario99

Oh, absolutely. Just the other day I heard about a bunch of Christians who blew up three thousand people in London, and I wondered to myself, "Why isn't this getting any attention?"

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[QUOTE="Sajo7"] The fools of your religion can be seen in every other belief or ethos, Muslim news stories just sell more.GazaAli

Oh, absolutely. Just the other day I heard about a bunch of Christians who blew up three thousand people in London, and I wondered to myself, "Why isn't this getting any attention?"

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Oh, absolutely. Just the other day I heard about a bunch of Christians who blew up three thousand people in London, and I wondered to myself, "Why isn't this getting any attention?"

godwhydoibother

You apologists always willfully overlook one simple fact. Christianity has moved on from its more barbaric, less enlightened phase. Islam remains stuck in the Dark Ages, and it's thrilled to death about it.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Oh, absolutely. Just the other day I heard about a bunch of Christians who blew up three thousand people in London, and I wondered to myself, "Why isn't this getting any attention?"

godwhydoibother

My point is clear, I don't discriminate Christian members for what the church has done.

[QUOTE="godwhydoibother"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] don't take things out of context. We are talking about the Iranians wanting to whip the woman 99 lashes. I'm sure we can say worse things about the Vatican's latest scandals. You see? it works either way, but you don't see me go around OT and telling Christian members they are a bunch of pedos.Sajo7

Take that up with Saudi Arabia, Iran, and any other place in the Middle East where you'll get your head chopped off for even suggesting to build a church.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Oh, absolutely. Just the other day I heard about a bunch of Christians who blew up three thousand people in London, and I wondered to myself, "Why isn't this getting any attention?"

godwhydoibother

Not to mention that what they were doing is greatly immoral AND illegal.

I think some people are more worried about protecting their religion's image rather than a woman who is about to endure absolute hell in real life.

Iran sucks. I'm really glad I don't live there. Their misogynistic viewpoints hurt my brain. I don't consider the US the pinnacle of acceptance, but at least we don't base a lot of our laws on religious doctrine...

Except the South I guess. Capital punishment is so last century guys.

You apologists always willfully overlook one simple fact. Christianity has moved on from its more barbaric, less enlightened phase. Islam remains stuck in the Dark Ages, and it's thrilled to death about it.

Metal_Mario99

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[QUOTE="godwhydoibother"]I don't really see your point; the Catholic paedophile stories have recieved massive media attention :/Metal_Mario99

Take that up with Saudi Arabia, Iran, and any other place in the Middle East where you'll get your head chopped off for even suggesting to build a church.

Too bad that Gaza, West bank, Egypt, Lebanon...etc are all middle eastern countries where Christians are building churches as they want.GazaAli

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You apologists always willfully overlook one simple fact. Christianity has moved on from its more barbaric, less enlightened phase. Islam remains stuck in the Dark Ages, and it's thrilled to death about it.

Sajo7

North Koreans aren't perpetrating terrorist attacks all over the world, nor do they have a book that preaches the destruction of every human being less radical than Osama bin Laden.

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[QUOTE="Sajo7"] But none of that media attention sprouted demand for banning the building of Catholic churches.

Sajo7

Take that up with Saudi Arabia, Iran, and any other place in the Middle East where you'll get your head chopped off for even suggesting to build a church.

At least you admit they're on a level you have to stoop to.

Wow, Iran is a horrible place.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Take that up with Saudi Arabia, Iran, and any other place in the Middle East where you'll get your head chopped off for even suggesting to build a church.

Metal_Mario99

At least you admit they're on a level you have to stoop to.

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[QUOTE="Sajo7"] So you want Americans to stoop down to the level of Saudi Arabia and Iran?Sajo7

At least you admit they're on a level you have to stoop to.

Saudia Arabia and Iran are the way they are because of Islam.

North Koreans aren't perpetrating terrorist attacks all over the world, nor do they have a book that preaches the destruction of every human being less radical than Osama bin Laden.

Metal_Mario99

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

At least you admit they're on a level you have to stoop to.

Metal_Mario99

Saudia Arabia and Iran are the way they are because of Islam.

And this is why in the U.S. we decided to separate church from state. Islam-controlled governments have terrible laws.UT_Wrestler

Which is why it confuses me when people say we need more God in government, and more laws based on biblical law.

Religion + State = Bad times! The entire of Hitory shows this Inquisitions, religious represionetc etc.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

At least you admit they're on a level you have to stoop to.

Metal_Mario99

Saudia Arabia and Iran are the way they are because of Islam.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]North Koreans aren't perpetrating terrorist attacks all over the world, nor do they have a book that preaches the destruction of every human being less radical than Osama bin Laden.

Sajo7

Chapter 5, Verse 32 of the Quaran states that "whoever kills a person, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he had killed all men."

Verse 33 goes on to state that "the only punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered".

Clearly the Quaran justifies murdering anybody who is against Allah and Muhammed (to Muslims, waging war means to draw an unflattering caricature of Muhammed). As for making mischief in the land? I shudder to think, but I'm sure that that particular caveat is being used right now to justify killing...well, anyone they want to, really.

99 times? I would rather be stoned.

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[QUOTE="Sajo7"] We are talking about Islam, not Saudi Arabia and Iran.Sajo7

Saudia Arabia and Iran are the way they are because of Islam.