Iranian woman will be whipped 99 times for being in a photo with no veil

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]North Koreans aren't perpetrating terrorist attacks all over the world, nor do they have a book that preaches the destruction of every human being less radical than Osama bin Laden.

Metal_Mario99

Chapter 5, Verse 32 of the Quaran states that "whoever kills a person, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he had killed all men."

Verse 33 goes on to state that "the only punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered".

Clearly the Quaran justifies murdering anybody who is against Allah and Muhammed (to Muslims, waging war means to draw an unflattering caricature of Muhammed). As for making mischief in the land? I shudder to think, but I'm sure that that particular caveat is being used right now to justify killing...well, anyone they want to, really.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] You have never read anything about Islam. What bin Laden fails to acknowledge is that both suicide and the murdering of innocents are explicitly illegal according to the Qur'an.

Sajo7

Chapter 5, Verse 32 of the Quaran states that "whoever kills a person, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he had killed all men."

Verse 33 goes on to state that "the only punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered".

Clearly the Quaran justifies murdering anybody who is against Allah and Muhammed (to Muslims, waging war means to draw an unflattering caricature of Muhammed). As for making mischief in the land? I shudder to think, but I'm sure that that particular caveat is being used right now to justify killing...well, anyone they want to, really.

Um...no, I addressed that. To Muslims, waging war doesn't necessarily mean raising a military and going off to fight a bloody battle on a big, wide open field. They consider "war" to be anything that puts Islam in a dubious light. The Danish cartoonists were at war with Islam, for example.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]North Koreans aren't perpetrating terrorist attacks all over the world, nor do they have a book that preaches the destruction of every human being less radical than Osama bin Laden.

Metal_Mario99

Chapter 5, Verse 32 of the Quaran states that "whoever kills a person, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he had killed all men."

Verse 33 goes on to state that "the only punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered".

Clearly the Quaran justifies murdering anybody who is against Allah and Muhammed (to Muslims, waging war means to draw an unflattering caricature of Muhammed). As for making mischief in the land? I shudder to think, but I'm sure that that particular caveat is being used right now to justify killing...well, anyone they want to, really.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

At least you admit they're on a level you have to stoop to.

Metal_Mario99

Saudia Arabia and Iran are the way they are because of Islam.

Just out of curiosity, what would YOU do about Islam? Whats your plan? You obviously think it's evil so what do you think should be done?

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Maybe, but it's still the truth. We can use as many words as we want, but in the end, we need to improve ourselves before we can improve Islam's image. Actions speak louder than words.Metal_Mario99

Oh, absolutely. Just the other day I heard about a bunch of Christians who blew up three thousand people in London, and I wondered to myself, "Why isn't this getting any attention?"

Well in Northern Ireland more people died in 'the troubles' than were killed in 9/11 and the thing was funded to a large extend by American Catholics.......

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Read verse 33 again, you missed the requirement about WAGING WAR.Metal_Mario99

Um...no, I addressed that. To Muslims, waging war doesn't necessarily mean raising a military and going off to fight a bloody battle on a big, wide open field. They consider "war" to be anything that puts Islam in a dubious light. The Danish caroonists were at war with Islam, for example.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] We are talking about Islam, not Saudi Arabia and Iran.Pixel-Pirate

Saudia Arabia and Iran are the way they are because of Islam.

Just out of curiosity, what would YOU do about Islam? Whats your plan? You obviously think it's evil so what do you think should be done?

The only thing that could be done would be to annihilate them. But since I'm not a Muslim, I don't believe in the annihilation of entire groups of people. Because I'm a tolerant Westerner who doesn't desire mass slaughter as the answer to something.

So, there's nothing we can do about them, I'm afraid.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Read verse 33 again, you missed the requirement about WAGING WAR.Metal_Mario99

Um...no, I addressed that. To Muslims, waging war doesn't necessarily mean raising a military and going off to fight a bloody battle on a big, wide open field. They consider "war" to be anything that puts Islam in a dubious light. The Danish caroonists were at war with Islam, for example.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Saudia Arabia and Iran are the way they are because of Islam.

Metal_Mario99

Just out of curiosity, what would YOU do about Islam? Whats your plan? You obviously think it's evil so what do you think should be done?

The only thing that could be done would be to annihilate them. But since I'm not a Muslim, I don't believe in the annihilation of entire groups of people. Because I'm a tolerant Westerner who doesn't desire mass slaughter as the answer to something.

So, there's nothing we can do about them, I'm afraid.

So you have no plan. You just want it to magically dissapear, or possibly genocide?

][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Read verse 33 again, you missed the requirement about WAGING WAR.ghoklebutter

Um...no, I addressed that. To Muslims, waging war doesn't necessarily mean raising a military and going off to fight a bloody battle on a big, wide open field. They consider "war" to be anything that puts Islam in a dubious light. The Danish caroonists were at war with Islam, for example.

Really? Because Chapter 3,verse 28 says "Let not the believers take the disbelievers for friends rather than believers. And whoever does this has no connection with Allah - except that you guard yourselves against them."

And Chapter 5, verse 51 says, "O you who believe, take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends of each other. And whoever amongst you takes them for friends he is indeed one of them. Surely Allah guides not the unjust people."

Sounds right neighborly of ya.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

The only thing that could be done would be to annihilate them. But since I'm not a Muslim, I don't believe in the annihilation of entire groups of people. Because I'm a tolerant Westerner who doesn't desire mass slaughter as the answer to something.

So, there's nothing we can do about them, I'm afraid.

Metal_Mario99

So you have no plan. You just want it to magically dissapear, or possibly genocide?

I said no to genocide.

Considering your clear insults, I suppose I shouldn't take you serious.

And you said no to genocide basically on your morals. You made it rather clear you'd like to be able to wipe them off the planet.

99? Why not make it a 100?(joking) That's some dumb court.alexside1

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

The only thing that could be done would be to annihilate them. But since I'm not a Muslim, I don't believe in the annihilation of entire groups of people. Because I'm a tolerant Westerner who doesn't desire mass slaughter as the answer to something.

So, there's nothing we can do about them, I'm afraid.

Metal_Mario99

So you have no plan. You just want it to magically dissapear, or possibly genocide?

I said no to genocide, dumbass.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Um...no, I addressed that. To Muslims, waging war doesn't necessarily mean raising a military and going off to fight a bloody battle on a big, wide open field. They consider "war" to be anything that puts Islam in a dubious light. The Danish caroonists were at war with Islam, for example.

Metal_Mario99

Really? Because Chapter 3,verse 28 says "Let not the believers take the disbelievers for friends rather than believers. And whoever does this has no connection with Allah - except that you guard yourselves against them."

And Chapter 5, verse 51 says, "O you who believe, take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends of each other. And whoever amongst you takes them for friends he is indeed one of them. Surely Allah guides not the unjust people."

Sounds right neighborly of ya.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

So you have no plan. You just want it to magically dissapear, or possibly genocide?

Pixel-Pirate

I said no to genocide.

Considering your clear insults, I suppose I shouldn't take you serious.

And you said no to genocide basically on your morals. You made it rather clear you'd like to be able to wipe them off the planet.

If you're a moral relativist, then it's easy to see why you don't understand that morals are a big part of what makes a person. Yes, it's because I'm a moral person that I do not advocate genocide. If somebody offered me the opportunity to nuke the Middle East and get clean away with it, I would still say no, because I have morals. That's more than you can say for the terrorists, or the millions of Muslims who won't speak or act against them.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Saudia Arabia and Iran are the way they are because of Islam.

Metal_Mario99

Just out of curiosity, what would YOU do about Islam? Whats your plan? You obviously think it's evil so what do you think should be done?

The only thing that could be done would be to annihilate them. But since I'm not a Muslim, I don't believe in the annihilation of entire groups of people. Because I'm a tolerant Westerner who doesn't desire mass slaughter as the answer to something.

So, there's nothing we can do about them, I'm afraid.

Those words together made me lol.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]North Koreans aren't perpetrating terrorist attacks all over the world, nor do they have a book that preaches the destruction of every human being less radical than Osama bin Laden.

Metal_Mario99

Chapter 5, Verse 32 of the Quaran states that "whoever kills a person, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he had killed all men."

Verse 33 goes on to state that "the only punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered".

Clearly the Quaran justifies murdering anybody who is against Allah and Muhammed (to Muslims, waging war means to draw an unflattering caricature of Muhammed). As for making mischief in the land? I shudder to think, but I'm sure that that particular caveat is being used right now to justify killing...well, anyone they want to, really.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] You have never read anything about Islam. What bin Laden fails to acknowledge is that both suicide and the murdering of innocents are explicitly illegal according to the Qur'an.

dk00111

Chapter 5, Verse 32 of the Quaran states that "whoever kills a person, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he had killed all men."

Verse 33 goes on to state that "the only punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered".

Clearly the Quaran justifies murdering anybody who is against Allah and Muhammed (to Muslims, waging war means to draw an unflattering caricature of Muhammed). As for making mischief in the land? I shudder to think, but I'm sure that that particular caveat is being used right now to justify killing...well, anyone they want to, really.

As for the second verse: those are the Jews and Christians who mock and make fun of Islam. But to not befriend them does not mean be injust and hostile towards them.ghoklebutter

I didn't see any such distinction made in the text.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] As for the second verse: those are the Jews and Christians who mock and make fun of Islam. But to not befriend them does not mean be injust and hostile towards them.Metal_Mario99

I didn't see any such distinction made in the text.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] You have never read anything about Islam. What bin Laden fails to acknowledge is that both suicide and the murdering of innocents are explicitly illegal according to the Qur'an.

dk00111

Chapter 5, Verse 32 of the Quaran states that "whoever kills a person, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he had killed all men."

Verse 33 goes on to state that "the only punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered".

Clearly the Quaran justifies murdering anybody who is against Allah and Muhammed (to Muslims, waging war means to draw an unflattering caricature of Muhammed). As for making mischief in the land? I shudder to think, but I'm sure that that particular caveat is being used right now to justify killing...well, anyone they want to, really.

As I already pointed out (and as you Muslim apologists always fail to grasp), Christianity has gotten over its barbaric, unenlightened phase. Islam hasn't.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] As for the second verse: those are the Jews and Christians who mock and make fun of Islam. But to not befriend them does not mean be injust and hostile towards them.ghoklebutter

I didn't see any such distinction made in the text.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[QUOTE="godwhydoibother"][QUOTE="gaming25"] That happened in the Old Testament. Many things were done in the Old Testament because it was the beginning of civilization.gaming25

His point (no matter how grossly inaccurate) is that Christianity is equivalent in atrocity and barbarism to Islam simply because Christians used to kill people too.

[QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

The only thing that could be done would be to annihilate them. But since I'm not a Muslim, I don't believe in the annihilation of entire groups of people. Because I'm a tolerant Westerner who doesn't desire mass slaughter as the answer to something.

So, there's nothing we can do about them, I'm afraid.

Metal_Mario99

Those words together made me lol.

Your idiocy makes me lol.

Thank you for giving some sort of justification to my lols.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="godwhydoibother"]...God was commanding his people to do them. :|Metal_Mario99

His point (no matter how grossly inaccurate) is that Christianity is equivalent in atrocity and barbarism to Islam simply because Christians used to kill people too.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

Those words together made me lol.

Joshywaa

Your idiocy makes me lol.

Thank you for giving some sort of justification to my lols.

So you admit you had no justification before.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] I know, but what is your point?godwhydoibother

His point (no matter how grossly inaccurate) is that Christianity is equivalent in atrocity and barbarism to Islam simply because Christians used to kill people too.

Good.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

I didn't see any such distinction made in the text.

Metal_Mario99

Pics or it didn't happen.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] There is such distinction in the original Arabic text.ghoklebutter

Pics or it didn't happen.

Well, at least I have your word for it, right?

[QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Your idiocy makes me lol.

Metal_Mario99

Thank you for giving some sort of justification to my lols.

So you admit you had no justification before.

Not really, you called yourself a tolerant westerner, i kinda challenged it, and then you called me an idiot.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="godwhydoibother"]...God was commanding his people to do them. :|Metal_Mario99

His point (no matter how grossly inaccurate) is that Christianity is equivalent in atrocity and barbarism to Islam simply because Christians used to kill people too.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Pics or it didn't happen.

Metal_Mario99

Well, at least I have your word for it, right?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

Pics or it didn't happen.

Metal_Mario99

Well, at least I have your word for it, right?

[QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

So you admit you had no justification before.

Metal_Mario99

Not really, you called yourself a tolerant westerner, i kinda challenged it, and then you called me an idiot.

If you challenge the fact that Western civilization has become extremely tolerant, then you are an idiot.

Perhaps you should note that i was referring to YOU.

Not "Western Civilization"

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] How am I supposed to show you if you don't even know Arabic? Here's a summary: The first verse is about choosing a non-Muslim over a Muslim in leadership and protection. The second verse is about befriending those who mock and make fun of Islam, and the same message from the first verse is also stated. And suppose befriending them is forbidden. They still should not be dealt with unjustly or harmed if they don't harm the Muslims.Sajo7

Well, at least I have your word for it, right?

Oh, good. You're back. I was starting to miss your boundless wisdom and insight as to why Islam has absolutely nothing to do with the evil governments of Iran and Saudi Arabia.

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

Not really, you called yourself a tolerant westerner, i kinda challenged it, and then you called me an idiot.

Joshywaa

If you challenge the fact that Western civilization has become extremely tolerant, then you are an idiot.

Perhaps you should note that i was referring to YOU.

Not "Western Civilization"

That's also idiotic. To be tolerant means that you tolerate something. And I tolerate Islam.

Barbaric... but I'm not surprised by the middle east anymore, its easily believable.

As I already pointed out (and as you Muslim apologists always fail to grasp), Christianity has gotten over its barbaric, unenlightened phase. Islam hasn't.

Metal_Mario99

Ah I see. Veryenlightened and unbarbaricindeed. Just because you see the average non-extremist Christian here in America and the extremist Muslims in the media, doesn't mean that's how it works. Extremist Christianity still exists, and it's every bit as filthy and disgusting as Extremist Islam.

And please do tell, when did this enlightenment of Christianity occur?

Last time I remember, 50 years ago there were Christians out in the streets violently protesting desegregation. One of their reasons was that blacks had been cursed by God and were therefore inferior and sinful so they should be seperated from the superior whites. Religion is a powerful tool.

[QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

If you challenge the fact that Western civilization has become extremely tolerant, then you are an idiot.

Metal_Mario99

Perhaps you should note that i was referring to YOU.

Not "Western Civilization"

That's also idiotic. To be tolerant means that you tolerate something. And I tolerate Islam.

Whatever floats your boat, sunshine ;)

[QUOTE="Metal_Mario99"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] I know, but what is your point?gaming25

His point (no matter how grossly inaccurate) is that Christianity is equivalent in atrocity and barbarism to Islam simply because Christians used to kill people too.

I got 99 problems but a whip ain't one.

kidsmelly

Hit me!

Last time I remember, 50 years ago there were Christians out in the streets violently protesting desegregation. One of their reasons was that blacks had been cursed by God and were therefore inferior and sinful so they should be seperated from the superior whites. Religion is a powerful tool.

dk00111

So, you're saying that fifty years ago, some Christians got together and said some hurtful things?

Yeah, you're right, that's totally equivalent to Muslims slaughtering innocent people all over the world en masse every day of the week.