Is it just me or do people just blindly hate Muslims like they are Nazis?

It's not just you. Lots of people blindly hate lots of things.

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[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Um, why do people workout to strengthen their core? Why are there all those eastern martial arts revolving around energy. I find this sad, you cannot understand energy. Heh, I guess we know who knows more now don't we?

VisigothSaxon

Strength training builds muscles, which make you stronger, hence training your core.

In regards to Eastern Martial arts, I would explain that as myths, legends and exaggeration that developed over time.

Soooo, energy does not get desroyed or created, and it keeps something in motion, but It does not govern our actions and is not contained in our body?

Lolwut?

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

What have I sidestepped? Science has yet to prove or dissprove anything inculding God and the Big Bang.

I have a good qoute from Isaac Newton

"Yet one thing secures us what ever betide,/ The scriptures assures us the Lord will provide."

VisigothSaxon

That is not a sidestepp, are you saying Newton sidestepped this issue as well? Read his qoute, he believed strongly in a Divine Origin. I am saying God makes the most sense when explaining these complexities. Give me something that makes more sense and could connect all the dots, cuz I know of none.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]I just told you, I remember there was no factual proof, that is the evidence, if there is, then by all means show me, if not drop it.ohdearohdear

Um, why do people workout to strengthen their core? Why are there all those eastern martial arts revolving around energy. I find this sad, you cannot understand energy. Heh, I guess we know who knows more now don't we?VisigothSaxon

Read my post above, you can't have one and not the other. Energy is contained within our body or we would not be capable of motion seriously. You better be joking...

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"] by taking the "oh it's really freakin' complicated, god must have done it" approach. science will never disprove god, only offer theories ( see scientific defintion of a theory before rant on a "theory" ) as to how the universe works, not the purpose of the universe.comp_atkins

That is not a sidestepp, are you saying Newton sidestepped this issue as well? Read his qoute, he believed strongly in a Divine Origin. I am saying God makes the most sense when explaining these complexities. Give me something that makes more sense and could connect all the dots, cuz I know of none.

I would have no way of knowing I wasn't there. You must agree it is a good qoute and it doesn relate to our arguement.

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[QUOTE="GswSir"]

Strength training builds muscles, which make you stronger, hence training your core.

In regards to Eastern Martial arts, I would explain that as myths, legends and exaggeration that developed over time.

GswSir

Soooo, energy does not get desroyed or created, and it keeps something in motion, but It does not govern our actions and is not contained in our body?

Lolwut?

Did I say magical, no.

Now the fact of the matter is energy within our body can be moved through the body for increased force, how else would that monk who was 5'3 be able to generate the force of a 30 mileperhour car crash with a one inch punch. If you want proof I can get the video. Surely he is using his own energy, that is contained in his body to punch with substantial force.

A better question I think would be:

Is it just me, or do people just blindly hate Americans like they are Nazis?

Read my post above, you can't have one and not the other. Energy is contained within our body or we would not be capable of motion seriously. You better be joking...VisigothSaxon

A better question I think would be:

Is it just me, or do people just blindly hate Americans like they are Nazis?

Bladecutter56

Yes, and its not just you.

[QUOTE="GswSir"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Soooo, energy does not get desroyed or created, and it keeps something in motion, but It does not govern our actions and is not contained in our body?

Lolwut?

VisigothSaxon

Did I say magical, no.

Now the fact of the matter is energy within our body can be moved through the body for increased force, how else would that monk who was 5'3 be able to generate the force of a 30 mileperhour car crash with a one inch punch. If you want proof I can get the video. Surely he is using his own energy, that is contained in his body to punch with substantial force.

I would attribute his success in said endeavor to years, years of training. Along with good physical conditioning and strengthening.

Neither, size nor weight mean one cannot be strong or quick or less able to break things.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Read my post above, you can't have one and not the other. Energy is contained within our body or we would not be capable of motion seriously. You better be joking...ohdearohdear

Eh, never been fond of the Tae Kwon Do noise, and cement block, not wood. How do you know energy is not contained in the core? You have no proof, if so, then provide a link saying that energy is not contained in the core.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

That is not a sidestepp, are you saying Newton sidestepped this issue as well? Read his qoute, he believed strongly in a Divine Origin. I am saying God makes the most sense when explaining these complexities. Give me something that makes more sense and could connect all the dots, cuz I know of none.

VisigothSaxon

I would have no way of knowing I wasn't there. You must agree it is a good qoute and it doesn relate to our arguement.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="GswSir"] What? Of course there is energy involved in striking an object, however not "magical" energies that work simply because you focus.GswSir

Did I say magical, no.

Now the fact of the matter is energy within our body can be moved through the body for increased force, how else would that monk who was 5'3 be able to generate the force of a 30 mileperhour car crash with a one inch punch. If you want proof I can get the video. Surely he is using his own energy, that is contained in his body to punch with substantial force.

Of course that has to do with it, but the guy himself said he uses his energy. He starts by working the energy up from his feet, seriously you can see his skin crawling with energy, its like he is the hulk and could get magically bigger.

i don't know how much history you know, but Muslims don't get along much with each other either....

with that said not all muslims are terroist extremists, or even religious, i know plenty of great muslims.

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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"] simply providing a quote by newton does not add weight to your argument. nearly 400 years have passes since newton and while the magnificence of his work is not questioned it is possible the complexities he was talking about do have explanations in our time, btw. what is the context of that quote? what was he referring to?comp_atkins

I would have no way of knowing I wasn't there. You must agree it is a good qoute and it doesn relate to our arguement.

No because Newton, in his studies never found anything to make him think otherwise, or he wouldn't have said such a thing. It must have connected the dots for him, like I said it has for me.

What? Of course there is energy involved in striking an object, however not "magical" energies that work simply because you focus.GswSir

Did I say magical, no.

Now the fact of the matter is energy within our body can be moved through the body for increased force, how else would that monk who was 5'3 be able to generate the force of a 30 mileperhour car crash with a one inch punch. If you want proof I can get the video. Surely he is using his own energy, that is contained in his body to punch with substantial force.

Of course that has to do with it, but the guy himself said he uses his energy. He starts by working the energy up from his feet, seriously you can see his skin crawling with energy, its like he is the hulk and could get magically bigger.

VisigothSaxon

have you gone to school? We all have energy in our bodies. I cant belive you would say otherwise. When we punch, we exert energy, not just imaginary energy, literal energy. I forgot the names of them, but this isnt a blind religous statment. This is frickin science.kipohippo021

Yes, we use energy when we punch, but not in the way described, its not as if someone focuses and *bam* suddenly they destroys an entire wall.

It is myth common to all Martial Arts. There is no scientific proof of it that has thus far been presented.

However, by all means if you have actual scientific proof or evidence link/post it.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I think they hate them nore like zombies, but no, I don't.

Somewhat libertarian... but I do hate zombies with a flaming passion. This is America after all.

[QUOTE="GswSir"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Did I say magical, no.

Now the fact of the matter is energy within our body can be moved through the body for increased force, how else would that monk who was 5'3 be able to generate the force of a 30 mileperhour car crash with a one inch punch. If you want proof I can get the video. Surely he is using his own energy, that is contained in his body to punch with substantial force.

kipohippo021

I am talking about science, and I am still in School. YES FINALLY, we exert energy, thats what I am saying, but there is a big diffrence between punching something and exerting the energy that way, compared to punching through something and exerting the energy through them. Get it, you propell the energy forward to go through the object not just colide with it and it will become more powerful. Such as if you twist your hip, it twists the energy in your hip and propels the energy in the arm forward for a faster and stronger punch.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Of course that has to do with it, but the guy himself said he uses his energy. He starts by working the energy up from his feet, seriously you can see his skin crawling with energy, its like he is the hulk and could get magically bigger.

GswSir

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have you gone to school? We all have energy in our bodies. I cant belive you would say otherwise. When we punch, we exert energy, not just imaginary energy, literal energy. I forgot the names of them, but this isnt a blind religous statment. This is frickin science.kipohippo021

Yes, we use energy when we punch, but not in the way described.

It is myth common to all Martial Arts. There is no scientific proof of it that has thus far been presented.

Want the video? They did a test on a crash dummy, to test how much force he generated. It was Equal to a 30mph car crash, how is this not Scientific Proof?

I'd say its more like "teh evilz communists" during the Cold War. At least many American's knew about the threat Hitler was imposing on the world... everything about "Communist Russia" was just propoganda to scare people into political submission.

This rising hatred of Muslims is very similar, and heavily driven by the "unbiased" media.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

I would have no way of knowing I wasn't there. You must agree it is a good qoute and it doesn relate to our arguement.

VisigothSaxon

No because Newton, in his studies never found anything to make him think otherwise, or he wouldn't have said such a thing. It must have connected the dots for him, like I said it has for me.

Want the video? They did a test on a crash dummy, to test how much force he generated. It was Equal to a 30mph car crash, how is this not Scientific Proof?VisigothSaxon

Want the video? They did a test on a crash dummy, to test how much force he generated. It was Equal to a 30mph car crash, how is this not Scientific Proof?

VisigothSaxon

30 miles per hour is achievable my most serious practitioners of a martial arts.

Muy Thai for one achieves such blows, yet they never claim that they use "chi, qi, etc" in their strikes.

Videos are not neccesarily scientific proof, as we cannot always see exactly how well they are measuring everything or so forth.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Want the video? They did a test on a crash dummy, to test how much force he generated. It was Equal to a 30mph car crash, how is this not Scientific Proof?ohdearohdear

What do you mean, he says its his energy, that creates a lot of power, if it wasn't his energy he wouldn't punch that hard, and the crashdummy test proved, he was doing something to create tons of power. Call it what you wish, but it was how he used energy that game him so much power, combined with his fast twitch muscles, and general mass and weight.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Want the video? They did a test on a crash dummy, to test how much force he generated. It was Equal to a 30mph car crash, how is this not Scientific Proof?

GswSir

30 miles per hour is achievable my most serious practitioners of a martial arts.

Muy Thai for one achieves such blows, yet they never claim that they use "chi, qi, etc" in their strikes.

Videos are not neccesarily scientific proof, as we cannot always see exactly how well they are measuring everything or so forth.

A 1 inch punch, that was stronger than all of his other attacks, explain that? Why is the one inch punch more powerful. Mui Thai I assure you, believes in energy and tries to exert it strongly.

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Want the video? They did a test on a crash dummy, to test how much force he generated. It was Equal to a 30mph car crash, how is this not Scientific Proof?VisigothSaxon

What do you mean, he says its his energy, that creates a lot of power, if it wasn't his energy he wouldn't punch that hard, and the crashdummy test proved, he was doing something to create tons of power. Call it what you wish, but it was how he used energy that game him so much power, combined with his fast twitch muscles, and general mass and weight.

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[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"] He said he uses energy, however I would prefer some empirical proof or actual measurements. Not random assertions.

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have you gone to school? We all have energy in our bodies. I cant belive you would say otherwise. When we punch, we exert energy, not just imaginary energy, literal energy. I forgot the names of them, but this isnt a blind religous statment. This is frickin science.VisigothSaxon

Yes, we use energy when we punch, but not in the way described.

It is myth common to all Martial Arts. There is no scientific proof of it that has thus far been presented.

Want the video? They did a test on a crash dummy, to test how much force he generated. It was Equal to a 30mph car crash, how is this not Scientific Proof?

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"]It prove that some guy can punch very hard. It doesn't prove that the pseudoscientific way you've been describing energy chances is in any way correct.ohdearohdear

What do you mean, he says its his energy, that creates a lot of power, if it wasn't his energy he wouldn't punch that hard, and the crashdummy test proved, he was doing something to create tons of power. Call it what you wish, but it was how he used energy that game him so much power, combined with his fast twitch muscles, and general mass and weight.

His mass and weight alone does not explain it. A man should not be able to generate this much power with a one inch punch.

[QUOTE="GswSir"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Want the video? They did a test on a crash dummy, to test how much force he generated. It was Equal to a 30mph car crash, how is this not Scientific Proof?

30 miles per hour is achievable my most serious practitioners of a martial arts.

Muy Thai for one achieves such blows, yet they never claim that they use "chi, qi, etc" in their strikes.

Videos are not neccesarily scientific proof, as we cannot always see exactly how well they are measuring everything or so forth.

A 1 inch punch, that was stronger than all of his other attacks, explain that? Why is the one inch punch more powerful. Mui Thai I assure you, believes in energy and tries to exert it strongly.

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

What do you mean, he says its his energy, that creates a lot of power, if it wasn't his energy he wouldn't punch that hard, and the crashdummy test proved, he was doing something to create tons of power. Call it what you wish, but it was how he used energy that game him so much power, combined with his fast twitch muscles, and general mass and weight.

VisigothSaxon

His mass and weight alone does not explain it. A man should not be able to generate this much power with a one inch punch.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="GswSir"]

Yes, we use energy when we punch, but not in the way described.

It is myth common to all Martial Arts. There is no scientific proof of it that has thus far been presented.

kipohippo021

Want the video? They did a test on a crash dummy, to test how much force he generated. It was Equal to a 30mph car crash, how is this not Scientific Proof?

Yep, and quite elite if you ask me.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"]Yes, we know that punching stuff harder requires more energy all things being equal. No, that doesn't validate pseudoscience, even if he believes it.ohdearohdear

His mass and weight alone does not explain it. A man should not be able to generate this much power with a one inch punch.

Because he is simply not heavy enough and not muscular enough for physics to support such power, or we would see such power often. There is a third factor that is giving him such strength. Like how do those Monks spears with their throat and all that crazy stuff? What makes them indestructible, for their demonstrations? They harness their energy like a wall.

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]Want the video? They did a test on a crash dummy, to test how much force he generated. It was Equal to a 30mph car crash, how is this not Scientific Proof?VisigothSaxon

What do you mean, he says its his energy, that creates a lot of power, if it wasn't his energy he wouldn't punch that hard, and the crashdummy test proved, he was doing something to create tons of power. Call it what you wish, but it was how he used energy that game him so much power, combined with his fast twitch muscles, and general mass and weight.

Well the arguement kinda died, I gotta go anyway, but I think my arguement reigned supreme. :D

Good talking to you guys as well, by far the most intelligent discussion I have had with the people of offtopic.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"]It prove that some guy can punch very hard. It doesn't prove that the pseudoscientific way you've been describing energy chances is in any way correct.comp_atkins

What do you mean, he says its his energy, that creates a lot of power, if it wasn't his energy he wouldn't punch that hard, and the crashdummy test proved, he was doing something to create tons of power. Call it what you wish, but it was how he used energy that game him so much power, combined with his fast twitch muscles, and general mass and weight.

Yes, but this is a 1inch punch, 1 inch isn't really much room for velocity.

Fancy video, however there is absolutely no way to tell if it is anything more than a parlor trick.GswSir

Um, they tested it on a dummy, where are the tricks?

Where is the proof?

Measurements of velocity, mathematical formulas, physics calculations, etc. Its from an entertainment show, hardly an objective and serious source of information...(That we can read or view or that they allowed a third party to examine.)

Well the arguement kinda died, I gotta go anyway, but I think my arguement reigned supreme. :D

Good talking to you guys as well, by far the most intelligent discussion I have had with the people of offtopic.

VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

What do you mean, he says its his energy, that creates a lot of power, if it wasn't his energy he wouldn't punch that hard, and the crashdummy test proved, he was doing something to create tons of power. Call it what you wish, but it was how he used energy that game him so much power, combined with his fast twitch muscles, and general mass and weight.

VisigothSaxon

Yes, but this is a 1inch punch, 1 inch isn't really much room for velocity.

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

Well the arguement kinda died, I gotta go anyway, but I think my arguement reigned supreme. :D

Good talking to you guys as well, by far the most intelligent discussion I have had with the people of offtopic.

ohdearohdear

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[QUOTE="lordreaven"] Damit coolbeans i can't tell if your a Con or lib........stop teasing me!

lordreaven

Somewhat libertarian... but I do hate zombies with a flaming passion. This is America after all.

Not anymore, son. :( That's why I shot mommy.

i dont hate them i just hate what they do sometimes.

There really isnt as much hate for Muslims as you would think. Hate and anger sells though and makes for a more interesting news story so its all you ever hear about.

Its like when someone buys something and it works perfectly, they generally dont run to an online forum to talk about how awesome and problem free it is. That same product could have a defect that a lot of people hate and it would be all you would hear about for weeks.

Basically, hate and negativity get face time. Love and positive things do not.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] American and UK civilians don't bomb Muslim civilians. And if Muslims hated the USA and UK why do they immigrate here?

UnknownSniper65

Terrorists =/= Civilians

TERRORISTS did the bombings, and guess what? The American Army is the biggest terrorist group on the planet...

:|

Please stop abusing the submit button

ONTOPIC: America always makes it seem as if they have valid reasons to take away peoples' freedoms/resources, when they really don't. If you can't see this you are either:

A. In denial

or

B. An american (Not that it's bad, it's just that you guys may have a bias on this topic :P)

Lol, So if you disagree you don't have a brain :lol:

Maybe America isn't fond of Muslims because of all the Bombings and Attempted bombings in the USA and England.

Snipes_2

To me it's a simple fact that Muslims are in the sights of a hateful media campaign to polarize people and pander for votes ahead of the elections in November. It's a shame we are so easily taken in by these fear-mongering tactics year after year.