Is it just me or do people just blindly hate Muslims like they are Nazis?

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[QUOTE="Coldzboy"]

Terrorists =/= Civilians

TERRORISTS did the bombings, and guess what? The American Army is the biggest terrorist group on the planet...

Coldzboy

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ONTOPIC: America always makes it seem as if they have valid reasons to take away peoples' freedoms/resources, when they really don't. If you can't see this you are either:

A. In denial

or

B. An american (Not that it's bad, it's just that you guys may have a bias on this topic :P)

Whereas the people previously running Iraq and Afghanistan had such respect for people's freedoms.ohdearohdear

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ohdearohdear

ONTOPIC: America always makes it seem as if they have valid reasons to take away peoples' freedoms/resources, when they really don't. If you can't see this you are either:

A. In denial

or

B. An american (Not that it's bad, it's just that you guys may have a bias on this topic :P)

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"]Whereas the people previously running Iraq and Afghanistan had such respect for people's freedoms.Ninja-Hippo

Not that I agree with the invasion of Iraq or anything, but the point about America taking away the rights of say Iraqis is somewhat problematic, regardless of the intent of the war.

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"]Whereas the people previously running Iraq and Afghanistan had such respect for people's freedoms.Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="ohdearohdear"]Whereas the people previously running Iraq and Afghanistan had such respect for people's freedoms.coolbeans90

Not that I agree with the invasion of Iraq or anything, but the point about America taking away the rights of say Iraqis is somewhat problematic, regardless of the intent of the war.

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Only that's irrelevant, as to believe that America and the UK genuinely invaded Iraq and Afghanistan because they felt sorry for the people living their is a folly. You cannot take credit for the great favor you have done humanity by deposes dictators when you a) put that dictator in power b) sold that dictator weapons c) allowed that dictator to remain in power even after he started a war and gassed his own people. Feeling sorry for the poor, oppressed people of Iraq had literally absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the decision to invade the country. Ninja-Hippo

Not that I agree with the invasion of Iraq or anything, but the point about America taking away the rights of say Iraqis is somewhat problematic, regardless of the intent of the war.

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Only that's irrelevant, as to believe that America and the UK genuinely invaded Iraq and Afghanistan because they felt sorry for the people living their is a folly. You cannot take credit for the great favor you have done humanity by deposes dictators when you a) put that dictator in power b) sold that dictator weapons c) allowed that dictator to remain in power even after he started a war and gassed his own people. Feeling sorry for the poor, oppressed people of Iraq had literally absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the decision to invade the country. Ninja-Hippo

Not that I agree with the invasion of Iraq or anything, but the point about America taking away the rights of say Iraqis is somewhat problematic, regardless of the intent of the war.

That fails to take into account of rights of future lives which would have been lost to such regimes (there was a history of these sorts of things with Saddam) and various rights to various liberties not tolerated by the former regime. Furthermore, the disregard to the right to life of 100,000 people there cannot by any means be attributed to the U.S. Too many factors that aren't held constant which cannot be accounted for, but there would be plenty of disregard to rights either way. To objectively declare one as superior to the other in any sort of a quantitative sense is quite frankly impossible.

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Not that I agree with the invasion of Iraq or anything, but the point about America taking away the rights of say Iraqis is somewhat problematic, regardless of the intent of the war.

ohdearohdear

Sorry man, but yeah we did. That's just Iraq. When you include Afghanistan, it's horribly higher.

Right now with civilian deaths the lowest they've ever been since the invasion, we still average nearly FOUR HUNDRED civilians dead a MONTH. And that's from the US government's own reports.

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Well we certainly took away the right to life of oh, say, 100,000 of them. Ninja-Hippo

Sorry man, but yeah we did. That's just Iraq. When you include Afghanistan, it's horribly higher.

Right now with civilian deaths the lowest they've ever been since the invasion, we still average nearly FOUR HUNDRED civilians dead a MONTH. And that's from the US government's own reports.

Depends on how one defines "did."

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Well we certainly took away the right to life of oh, say, 100,000 of them. Ninja-Hippo

Sorry man, but yeah we did. That's just Iraq. When you include Afghanistan, it's horribly higher.

Right now with civilian deaths the lowest they've ever been since the invasion, we still average nearly FOUR HUNDRED civilians dead a MONTH. And that's from the US government's own reports.

I wouldn't call it "blind" hatred, perhaps a little irrational, but a lot of terrorist attacks that we hear about seem to be orchestrated by Muslim extremists.

Blind would be hating all Muslims for being Muslim and for no other reason. Irrational would be hating Muslims because some Muslims attacked the WTC.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="ohdearohdear"]Whereas the people previously running Iraq and Afghanistan had such respect for people's freedoms.ohdearohdear

Its not just with Saddam its the entire Middle East and the West (Europe and US) in what they have done with the reigon for over 100 years.. The population in the region have a good reason to distrust and despise the west.. Not to mention US's full support of Israeli occupation of the West bank which is extremely brutal.. Expect the people of the Middle East not to trust or like the US/West for a very long time intil they stop meddling within the region.

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[QUOTE="Coldzboy"]

Terrorists =/= Civilians

TERRORISTS did the bombings, and guess what? The American Army is the biggest terrorist group on the planet...

Coldzboy

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ONTOPIC: America always makes it seem as if they have valid reasons to take away peoples' freedoms/resources, when they really don't. If you can't see this you are either:

A. In denial

or

B. An american (Not that it's bad, it's just that you guys may have a bias on this topic :P)

It certainly doesn't have to do with the fact that muslim extremist groups have spent the last 30 years plotting and conducting terrorist attacks against western nations.

Someone's death doesn't constitute a deprivation of right to life.ohdearohdear

It certainly doesn't have to do with the fact that muslim extremist groups have spent the last 30 years plotting and conducting terrorist attacks against western nations.

UnknownSniper65

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It certainly doesn't have to do with the fact that muslim extremist groups have spent the last 30 years plotting and conducting terrorist attacks against western nations.

Ninja-Hippo

I would ask why considering the wars we have fought on behalf of Muslims in Kuwait,Saudi Arabia and Kosovo

I would ask why considering the wars we have fought on behalf of Muslims in Kuwait,Saudi Arabia and Kosovo

UnknownSniper65

You're also confusing religion with nationality; it doesn't make a blind bit of difference that they're muslim. If we were all jewish and they were christian they would have license to hate us all the same, for the same reasons. We took down democratically elected and popular government which treated their people reasonably well and installed our own tin-pot, brutal dictatorship regimes which the entire region has had to live under ever since. Not only that, but we armed them! Then when they turned those arms on us, we invade again and turn the whole region into a warzone were thousands die every *MONTH*.

So i by no means condone terrorism against innocent civilians, i feel we should be far more open to exactly what we have done to these people and they our relations with them are so frosty. To say 'they have spent years plotting to conduct terrorist attacks against us!' as if we are an innocent victim just isn't looking at the bigger picture.

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It certainly doesn't have to do with the fact that muslim extremist groups have spent the last 30 years plotting and conducting terrorist attacks against western nations.

Ninja-Hippo

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I would ask why considering the wars we have fought on behalf of Muslims in Kuwait,Saudi Arabia and Kosovo

Ninja-Hippo

You're also confusing religion with nationality; it doesn't make a blind bit of difference that they're muslim. If we were all jewish and they were christian they would have license to hate us all the same, for the same reasons. We took down democratically elected and popular government which treated their people reasonably well and installed our own tin-pot, brutal dictatorship regimes which the entire region has had to live under ever since. Not only that, but we armed them! Then when they turned those arms on us, we invade again and turn the whole region into a warzone were thousands die every *MONTH*.

So i by no means condone terrorism against innocent civilians, i feel we should be far more open to exactly what we have done to these people and they our relations with them are so frosty. To say 'they have spent years plotting to conduct terrorist attacks against us!' as if we are an innocent victim just isn't looking at the bigger picture.

Wow, totally dismantled that one...

And 9/11 was most likely an inside job imo .

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It certainly doesn't have to do with the fact that muslim extremist groups have spent the last 30 years plotting and conducting terrorist attacks against western nations.

ohdearohdear

And 9/11 was most likely an inside job imo .Coldzboy

I am sorry but all terrorists desearve to die a painful death. They are scum of the earth, I don't hate muslims, but I do not like Terrorists that target civilians.

VisigothSaxon

[QUOTE="EsYuGee"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I'm not generalizing anyone, asking a question based on another post is a generalization now?

conistant

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Really? You think the middle east singles out America as an enemy for no reason? Because they're muslim? What sense does that make? ohdearohdear

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Not all muslims hate both the USA and UK.My grandfather loves the UK but he hates USA.

lordreaven

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Really? You think the middle east singles out America as an enemy for no reason? Because they're muslim? What sense does that make? Joker_268

Some do yes, just like some Muslims blow up buildings. Unfortunately it is always the crazy people who are loudest and get the news coverage so they seem a lot more numerous and powerful than they really are.

It's not people, its Americans. Home of the free...if you're catholic and not gay.

immortality20

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NWO is coming........

GswSir

Excellent!

Finally, I shall have a use for all these coupons!

Also, when do you expect the UFOs will arrive?

No hate here (well I despise religion).

Back when the whole world hated us for the Muhammed drawings, it did however feel like every single muslim in the world had transformed into insane, bloodthirsty nutjobs.

One of the artists was assaulted in his own house by some axe wielding sicko.

Danish Islamic Society travelled around the world spreading (mis)information about said drawings to instill hatred. They even used faked Muhammed drawings just to add a bit of hypocricy to the whole thing.

Major boycotting of danish products.

There were massive riots resulting in severe injuries and several deaths (incidently, most of the violence and all of the death did not occur in Denmark).

Death threats én masse.

Aid organizations were forced out of Gaza. Yeah, those dirty Muhammed hating aid people better go help elsewhere if they like living.

Here's the wiki about the that insane farce. So much misery, all because of a couple of silly drawings.

So no I don't hate muslims. I did however spend a few months wondering wether or not Islam was actually the manifestation of collective insanity.

Now I'm just back to my regular view on human beings and you're a despicable bunch tbh.

Do I hate muslims? no ofcourse not, Do Idislike some demographics in some Muslim countries? Absolutely.

Why? Because all my beliefs and thiers are fundamentally incompatible, thier train of thoughts is conpletely alien to me.

And It certainly does not help that so many of them immogrates to here while refusing to abide the society and laws here.

But I do not hate muslims in general, I have a strong dislike (bordering on both hate, and disdain) Extremists of any kind. Sadly some demographics in some Muslim countries are really extremist.

I also dislike people who think of themself or thier own kindto be superior beings, which means alot of people to be honest, both in the western society and the Middle Eastern. the whole "t is us who is to inherrit the earth" and such, is sickening. What about such a person makes him/her more valuable then any other being? That he/she is born towhat part of humanity they are? dont make me laugh, a good person is not dictated by looks, religion or where they were born, but by thier ethics, logical sense and actions through life.

As you can likelyread, I have spent far too long in the company ofgroups of people whoall thought "they wereGods Chosen" (whatever god they belived in), and I foundmost of themseverely lacking in basic humanity and decency.