Is sexuality a choice?

My thoughts are that I do not know and in all honesty, I do not care. To me, it seems as if some people use the whole nature versus nurture debate as excuse to why homosexuality is "right" or "wrong." Homosexuality should not only be acceptable for the mere fact that, at least, where I live, this is America (which, among other things, includes freedom of choice), however, it should also be acceptable simply due to that homosexuality does not effect anyone but those who are homosexual.

Link256

The nature vs nurture debate isn't used as an excuse to determine right from wrong. It's used to determine how someone became who they are and act how they do.

[QUOTE="giton"]

[QUOTE="darkodonnie"]If it was a choice nobody would choose to be gay and face discrimination from ignorant peopledarkodonnie

well i'm not sure that's true. some people like being humiliated and abused. besides, the way other people might treat you is probably not the only factor a person considers before choosing an action. for example, many people choose to smoke pot because they like getting high, and the fact that some people might arrest them and throw them in jail doesn't necessarily deter them.

fair enough that there might be a miniscule percentage of people who would do that but considering the large percentage of people who are gay/bi it is clrearly more than the "I want to be abused" crowd

but from personal experience I can say that at age 5 I didn't say "oh, I guess I should be bi instead of straight" at that age the concept of being gay wasn't even one I knew about so it clearly wasn't a choice, if it was I'd choose to be straight

i guess my experience has been different. i've encountered animosity and hatred and discrimination, but i have never cared much what most people thought about me (there's a few exceptions to that, but not among strangers) or whether or not they approved of me or how i live my life. i wouldn't choose to be straight if were possible after having come to the realization that i very much prefer who and how i am.

[QUOTE="Mr_Leonis"]Not if your in prison. :?Kratos_Aurion56

Keep your back to the wall at all times >_>

And don't let Bubba sweet talk you into anything........anything at all!

I've always wondered what really causes someone to be the sexuality that they are. It's kind of like the "nature vs nurture" debate. Is one born into what sex they will choose to mate with or does it have more to do with the environment that they are raised in? Do people really have a choice when it comes to sexuality, or is it wired in their brains? Why hasn't science came up with any answers yet? What's your thoughts?jt222_us

Well actully some scientists believe that homosexuality is hereditary

[QUOTE="Kratos_Aurion56"]

[QUOTE="Mr_Leonis"]Not if your in prison. :?jt222_us

Keep your back to the wall at all times >_>

And don't let Bubba sweet talk you into anything........anything at all!

OH MY GOD (who does not exsist because he is an unproven being of my imagination, which is also a lie because i'm just saying it as a figure of speech) NOT this again.

I didn't not choose to be gay.

But if DID have the choice. I would choose ot be gay :D

[QUOTE="Kratos_Aurion56"]

[QUOTE="Mr_Leonis"]Not if your in prison. :?jt222_us

Keep your back to the wall at all times >_>

And don't let Bubba sweet talk you into anything........anything at all!

I think he'll just force you. :?

Which hurts more. :(

[QUOTE="jt222_us"][QUOTE="Kratos_Aurion56"]

[QUOTE="Mr_Leonis"]Not if your in prison. :?Mr_Leonis

Keep your back to the wall at all times >_>

And don't let Bubba sweet talk you into anything........anything at all!

I think he'll just force you. :?

Which hurts more. :(

[QUOTE="jt222_us"][QUOTE="Kratos_Aurion56"]

[QUOTE="Mr_Leonis"]Not if your in prison. :?Mr_Leonis

Keep your back to the wall at all times >_>

And don't let Bubba sweet talk you into anything........anything at all!

I think he'll just force you. :?

Which hurts more. :(

I don't wanna go to jail! :cry:

It could be. Evidence suggests that it is hormonal. It sure as hell isn't genetic.Silver_Dragon17

Got proof for that statement? and remmember a suggestion is not a fact.

Evidence also suggests thats its genetic. As far as i know. I don't have the urge to get pregnant.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]It could be. Evidence suggests that it is hormonal. It sure as hell isn't genetic.Cedmln

Got proof for that statement? and remmember a suggestion is not a fact.

Evidence also suggests thats its genetic. As far as i know. I don't have the urge to get pregnant.

There is niether evidence nor debate about whether or not it's genetic. It isn't.

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]It could be. Evidence suggests that it is hormonal. It sure as hell isn't genetic.Silver_Dragon17

Got proof for that statement? and remmember a suggestion is not a fact.

Evidence also suggests thats its genetic. As far as i know. I don't have the urge to get pregnant.

There is niether evidence nor debate about whether or not it's genetic. It isn't.

*swamp of links*

Thats because a quick check shows that most of those links are from NARTH, an organization with questionable credibility, as such, no one acknowledges them.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Cedmln"]

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]It could be. Evidence suggests that it is hormonal. It sure as hell isn't genetic.The_Ish

Got proof for that statement? and remmember a suggestion is not a fact.

Evidence also suggests thats its genetic. As far as i know. I don't have the urge to get pregnant.

There is niether evidence nor debate about whether or not it's genetic. It isn't.

*swamp of links*

Thats because a quick check shows that most of those links are from NARTH, an organization with questionable credibility, as such, no one acknowledges them.

So? That doesn't excuse you from countering their points. . .and if they are not credible, it should be easy.

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]It could be. Evidence suggests that it is hormonal. It sure as hell isn't genetic.Silver_Dragon17

Got proof for that statement? and remmember a suggestion is not a fact.

Evidence also suggests thats its genetic. As far as i know. I don't have the urge to get pregnant.

There is niether evidence nor debate about whether or not it's genetic. It isn't.

I've posted all these before, but nobody acknowledged them.:roll:

Probably because no one really cares to read all of your link spam.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Cedmln"]

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]It could be. Evidence suggests that it is hormonal. It sure as hell isn't genetic._Margulis_

Got proof for that statement? and remmember a suggestion is not a fact.

Evidence also suggests thats its genetic. As far as i know. I don't have the urge to get pregnant.

There is niether evidence nor debate about whether or not it's genetic. It isn't.

I've posted all these before, but nobody acknowledged them.:roll:

Probably because no one really cares to read all of your link spam.

Then I can't help other people's ignorance.;)

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Cedmln"]

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]It could be. Evidence suggests that it is hormonal. It sure as hell isn't genetic.Silver_Dragon17

Got proof for that statement? and remmember a suggestion is not a fact.

Evidence also suggests thats its genetic. As far as i know. I don't have the urge to get pregnant.

There is niether evidence nor debate about whether or not it's genetic. It isn't.

*swamp of links*

Thats because a quick check shows that most of those links are from NARTH, an organization with questionable credibility, as such, no one acknowledges them.

So? That doesn't excuse you from countering their points. . .and if they are not credible, it should be easy.

The APA an other more credible organizations have already done so.

All your doing is throwing a swamp of links into someones face as "proof" to make them shut up because most people don't have the patience or time to look through all those links.

We had this debate before, and I was right.

I'm sure you conveniently lost the link to that topic though.

I'm not wasting my time with your BS, since you seem more focused on your image and being right than actually learning.

Feel free to feel the need to continue this "debate" by replying to this message. :lol:

Being homosexual is not a choice....I have seen first hand the trauma that a person goes through....religious zealots who take their situation lightly and cannot properly empathise really annoy me....

The APA an other more credible organizations have already done so.

All your doing is throwing a swamp of links into someones face as "proof" to make them shut up because most people don't have the patience or time to look through all those links.

We had this debate before, and I was right.

I'm sure you conveniently lost the link to that topic though.

I'm not wasting my time with your BS, since you seem more focused on your image and being right than actually learning.

Feel free to feel the need to continue this "debate" by replying to this message. :lol:

The_Ish

Um, many people told you that I was the only one supporting my position, wheras you kept begging the question.:| If the APA says otherwise, then post something from the APA, or I call bs. I'm the only one trying to learn; everybody else says it's genetic and that's it, whereas I have posted evidence to the contrary.

You never rebutted my arguments in the other thread either. Just begging the question, as the several users in that thread said.:roll:

Until recently I didn't think sexuality was genetically related (I didn't think one " gene existed"). These links suggest that sexuality is partly genetic at least, but caused by multiple genes, not one gay gene:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35176

http://www.plu.sg/main/facts_03.htm

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_basis_for_homosexuality (yes,it's wikipedia critisize me all you want).

http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/sexorient/twins.html

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2006/10/12/news/16168.shtml

Another thing I might suspect is that some people are hormonally gay whereas others are gentically gay Intersting stuff.

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]It could be. Evidence suggests that it is hormonal. It sure as hell isn't genetic.Silver_Dragon17

Got proof for that statement? and remmember a suggestion is not a fact.

Evidence also suggests thats its genetic. As far as i know. I don't have the urge to get pregnant.

There is niether evidence nor debate about whether or not it's genetic. It isn't.

"Born that way" theory I've posted all these before, but nobody acknowledged them.:roll:

Some of those links have some of most BS stuff i ever read.

I suppose telling you that i've always had fasinations about other men since i can remmember the third grade, isn't going ot help.

It has nothing to do with hormones in me. I'm about as women as the average joe and so are most of the gay men i have encountered.

BUT. The fems? I guess it does seem hormonal for them, but Idon't know about them though. No offense to you guys.

But as far as i know. the theory of being the youngest of 3 or more brothers, in a single mother family, being the youngest and the only one whos gay I pretty much can garuntee i'm not less masculine than my older brothers.

So basically its still a theory.

BUT there is also a theory of youngest out of more than 3 brothers/sister have a good chance of being born homosexual because of some a elergic reaction to the ammount of children that have been given birth from one woman. They say that its not the they become demasculinized, but DO NOT masculinize enough.

I believe that theory more.

u should be attracted to women (if ur a guy) otherwise no one could be born.MaddenBowler10

You shouldn't wear condoms (if ur a guy) otherwise no one could be born.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Cedmln"]

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]It could be. Evidence suggests that it is hormonal. It sure as hell isn't genetic.Cedmln

Got proof for that statement? and remmember a suggestion is not a fact.

Evidence also suggests thats its genetic. As far as i know. I don't have the urge to get pregnant.

There is niether evidence nor debate about whether or not it's genetic. It isn't.

"Born that way" theory I've posted all these before, but nobody acknowledged them.:roll:

Some of those links have some of most BS stuff i ever read.

I suppose telling you that i've always had fasinations about other men since i can remmember the third grade, isn't going ot help.

It has nothing to do with hormones in me. I'm about as women as the average joe and so are most of the gay men i have encountered.

BUT. The fems? I guess it does seem hormonal for them, but Idon't know about them though. No offense to you guys.

But as far as i know. the theory of being the youngest of 3 or more brothers, in a single mother family, being the youngest and the only one whos gay I pretty much can garuntee i'm not less masculine than my older brothers.

So basically its still a theory.

BUT there is also a theory of youngest out of more than 3 brothers/sister have a good chance of being born homosexual because of some a elergic reaction to the ammount of children that have been given birth from one woman. They say that its not the they become demasculinized, but DO NOT masculinize enough.

I believe that theory more.

You need to actually acknowledge the "bs" in those links, otherwise you're just full of it.

[QUOTE="MaddenBowler10"]u should be attracted to women (if ur a guy) otherwise no one could be born.MrGeezer

You shouldn't wear condoms (if ur a guy) otherwise no one could be born.

Um, yeah screw that. >_>

Men are born to be attracted to women and vise versa. If somone likes the same sex then they have made a choice to rebel against God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person will be born to like the same sex. Those that liked the same sex in the Bible were given the chance to turn from that lifestyle. The idea that one is born to likethe samesex iscontradictory to what the Bible teaches.cukoo

Men are born to be attracted to women and vise versa. If somone likes the same sex then they have made a choice to rebel against God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person will be born to like the same sex. Those that liked the same sex in the Bible were given the chance to turn from that lifestyle. The idea that one is born to likethe samesex iscontradictory to what the Bible teaches.cukoo

boom..... i hear an explosion of responses to this post coming.

Men are born to be attracted to women and vise versa. If somone likes the same sex then they have made a choice to rebel against God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person will be born to like the same sex. Those that liked the same sex in the Bible were given the chance to turn from that lifestyle. The idea that one is born to likethe samesex iscontradictory to what the Bible teaches.cukoo

Obviously a joke.... right? I hope...

Men are born to be attracted to women and vise versa. If somone likes the same sex then they have made a choice to rebel against God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person will be born to like the same sex. Those that liked the same sex in the Bible were given the chance to turn from that lifestyle. The idea that one is born to likethe samesex iscontradictory to what the Bible teaches.cukoo

[QUOTE="cukoo"]Men are born to be attracted to women and vise versa. If somone likes the same sex then they have made a choice to rebel against God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person will be born to like the same sex. Those that liked the same sex in the Bible were given the chance to turn from that lifestyle. The idea that one is born to likethe samesex iscontradictory to what the Bible teaches._Marisa_

*coughopinioncough*

[QUOTE="Cedmln"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Cedmln"]

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"].Silver_Dragon17

You need to actually acknowledge the "bs" in those links, otherwise you're just full of it.

You do know that one of those links made it sound like it was a disease, right? Like a caused defect instead of a natural defect.

Men are born to be attracted to women and vise versa. If somone likes the same sex then they have made a choice to rebel against God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person will be born to like the same sex. Those that liked the same sex in the Bible were given the chance to turn from that lifestyle. The idea that one is born to likethe samesex iscontradictory to what the Bible teaches.cukoo

:lol:

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="cukoo"]Men are born to be attracted to women and vise versa. If somone likes the same sex then they have made a choice to rebel against God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person will be born to like the same sex. Those that liked the same sex in the Bible were given the chance to turn from that lifestyle. The idea that one is born to likethe samesex iscontradictory to what the Bible teaches.Silver_Dragon17

*coughopinioncough*

[QUOTE="cukoo"]Men are born to be attracted to women and vise versa. If somone likes the same sex then they have made a choice to rebel against God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person will be born to like the same sex. Those that liked the same sex in the Bible were given the chance to turn from that lifestyle. The idea that one is born to likethe samesex iscontradictory to what the Bible teaches._Marisa_

While I found it to be a great read....I have to agree with that...

[

You do know that one of those links made it sound like it was a disease, right? Like a caused defect instead of a natural defect.

Cedmln

And? Ever consider that it could actually BE a disease? I don't think it is, but what does the evidence say? If it is wrong, rebute it with evidence and not opinion.;)

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="cukoo"]Men are born to be attracted to women and vise versa. If somone likes the same sex then they have made a choice to rebel against God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person will be born to like the same sex. Those that liked the same sex in the Bible were given the chance to turn from that lifestyle. The idea that one is born to likethe samesex iscontradictory to what the Bible teaches._Marisa_

*coughopinioncough*

If it's your opinion, then don't present it as fact.:|

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"][QUOTE="cukoo"]Men are born to be attracted to women and vise versa. If somone likes the same sex then they have made a choice to rebel against God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person will be born to like the same sex. Those that liked the same sex in the Bible were given the chance to turn from that lifestyle. The idea that one is born to likethe samesex iscontradictory to what the Bible teaches.Silver_Dragon17

*coughopinioncough*

If it's your opinion, then don't present it as fact.:|

[QUOTE="Cedmln"][

You do know that one of those links made it sound like it was a disease, right? Like a caused defect instead of a natural defect.

Silver_Dragon17

And? Ever consider that it could actually BE a disease? I don't think it is, but what does the evidence say? If it is wrong, rebute it with evidence and not opinion.;)

No, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/09/60minutes/main1385230.shtmlyoshi-lnex

"Adam wears pinkish-purple nail polish, adorned with stars and diamonds. "

:lol:

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Cedmln"][

You do know that one of those links made it sound like it was a disease, right? Like a caused defect instead of a natural defect.

_Marisa_

And? Ever consider that it could actually BE a disease? I don't think it is, but what does the evidence say? If it is wrong, rebute it with evidence and not opinion.;)

He doesn't even know what deseases are. Thats why he's taking NARTH's word for it. :lol: