Is sexuality a choice?

[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

Wrong again, as usual.

Your anology doesn't work because we aren';t debating theories, we are debating the crediblity of the sources' theory.

That unknown astronomer may be insignificant compared to Steven Hawking, but he does not have an agenda, nor does he base his research on his agenda.

A better anology would be this:

Would you rather take facts about the situation in Iraq from the US media, or the Taliban. Sure, it's extreme, but it's similar in that the US media would be far more credibile than the Taliban would.

In this case, the APA and other organizations, both in and outside the US, trumps the theories of NARTH, an organization that has already admitted it's own bias by stating to be against the APA.

Silver_Dragon17

Here's an even better analogy: Two people claim to have the facts, but only one person actually presents them. The other one just goes "Well, these guys say different, so you're wrong!" without ever presenting an argument. Who am I supposed to believe?

If the APA say different, post something from the APA that disproves me.

That has nothing to do with the argument.

And the APA has already said it's share. Just go on their website. I'm not going to spend two hours nitpicking every damn article for you.

Fact of the matter is, APA + other organizations > NARTH, as such, no one will acknowledge your swamp of links, not because NARTH has less intelligent people, but because their credibility is greatly in question.

You links, which are your points, will always be invalid.

Yeah, I'm really really excited. I've never celebrated Christmas once in my entire life because of what I was forced to believe growing up, so now that I'm no longer under that control, I'm gonna give it a shot :D I have plans and everything ^_^ If I were a billionaire, I'd send you all gifts and become the e-santa :P_Marisa_

Yay! Christmas is awesome ^_^

Yeah, I'm really really excited. I've never celebrated Christmas once in my entire life because of what I was forced to believe growing up, so now that I'm no longer under that control, I'm gonna give it a shot :D I have plans and everything ^_^ If I were a billionaire, I'd send you all gifts and become the e-santa :P_Marisa_

You never celebrated Christmas? :o Even I celebrated christmas! Though I did do it secretly with a bunch of friends. >_>

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]

Yeah, I'm really really excited. I've never celebrated Christmas once in my entire life because of what I was forced to believe growing up, so now that I'm no longer under that control, I'm gonna give it a shot :D I have plans and everything ^_^ If I were a billionaire, I'd send you all gifts and become the e-santa :PThe_Ish

You never celebrated Christmas? :o Even I celebrated christmas! Though I did do it secretly with a bunch of friends. >_>

That has nothing to do with the argument.

And the APA has already said it's share. Just go on their website. I'm not going to spend two hours nitpicking every damn article for you.

Fact of the matter is, APA + other organizations > NARTH, as such, no one will acknowledge your swamp of links, not because NARTH has less intelligent people, but because their credibility is greatly in question.

You links, which are your points, will always be invalid.

The_Ish

It's not my responsibility to gather up YOUR proof. You are the one with the burden, so if you don't give me proof, I'm not in any way entitled to believe you.

My links are only invalid when disproven, which is something you have yet to do.

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]

Yeah, I'm really really excited. I've never celebrated Christmas once in my entire life because of what I was forced to believe growing up, so now that I'm no longer under that control, I'm gonna give it a shot :D I have plans and everything ^_^ If I were a billionaire, I'd send you all gifts and become the e-santa :PThe_Ish

You never celebrated Christmas? :o Even I celebrated christmas! Though I did do it secretly with a bunch of friends. >_>

Sorry, but why is everyone talking about Christmas?niptuckSean

Because its awesome :|

Sorry, but why is everyone talking about Christmas?niptuckSean

[QUOTE="_Margulis_"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="_Margulis_"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="_Margulis_"]

He already countered your points when he pointed out they aren't from a credible source.

Silver_Dragon17

That's a fallacy. It doesn't counter my arguments at all.

Yes it does.

No it doesn't.

Yes it does.

Picture this: an unheard of astronomer goes up and challenges a theory of Steven Hawking, the smartest man in the world.

You can't prove that, I want proof.

No it doesn't.

Yes it does, if I said a 4 foot tall man with a shoe fetish lived within 20 miles of your house you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong, but since I'm a credible source it doesn't mean it's true.

[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

That has nothing to do with the argument.

And the APA has already said it's share. Just go on their website. I'm not going to spend two hours nitpicking every damn article for you.

Fact of the matter is, APA + other organizations > NARTH, as such, no one will acknowledge your swamp of links, not because NARTH has less intelligent people, but because their credibility is greatly in question.

You links, which are your points, will always be invalid.

Silver_Dragon17

It's not my responsibility to gather up YOUR proof. You are the one with the burden, so if you don't give me proof, I'm not in any way entitled to believe you.

My links are only invalid when disproven, which is something you have yet to do.

I don't have to disprove them, since they are already disproven through more credible organizations.

The fact that they are widely accepted by the scientific community and all over the net means your the one that has to back up the claims of this organization.

The APA, and so many others have already proven what they have had to.

Go ahead and believe that homosexuality is a choice, the opinions of some voice on the net or the "research" of a descredited organization won't change the fact that it isn't.

[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]

Yeah, I'm really really excited. I've never celebrated Christmas once in my entire life because of what I was forced to believe growing up, so now that I'm no longer under that control, I'm gonna give it a shot :D I have plans and everything ^_^ If I were a billionaire, I'd send you all gifts and become the e-santa :Pgreenprince

You never celebrated Christmas? :o Even I celebrated christmas! Though I did do it secretly with a bunch of friends. >_>

I come from a Muslim family. >_>

Yes it does, if I said a 4 foot tall man with a shoe fetish lived within 20 miles of your house you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong, but since I'm a credible source it doesn't mean it's true.

_Margulis_

It doesn't mean it's false either. The way to find out is to go online and do a search around my house to see if people are like that. But the fallacy is when I go "Haha! You're wrong!" without checking anything out.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

That has nothing to do with the argument.

And the APA has already said it's share. Just go on their website. I'm not going to spend two hours nitpicking every damn article for you.

Fact of the matter is, APA + other organizations > NARTH, as such, no one will acknowledge your swamp of links, not because NARTH has less intelligent people, but because their credibility is greatly in question.

You links, which are your points, will always be invalid.

The_Ish

It's not my responsibility to gather up YOUR proof. You are the one with the burden, so if you don't give me proof, I'm not in any way entitled to believe you.

My links are only invalid when disproven, which is something you have yet to do.

I don't have to disprove them, since they are already disproven through more credible organizations.

The fact that they are widely accepted by the scientific community and all over the net means your the one that has to back up the claims of this organization.

The APA, and so many others have already proven what they have had to.

Go ahead and believe that homosexuality is a choice, the opinions of some voice on the net or the "research" of a descredited organization won't change the fact that it isn't.

Then give us something from the organizations. It can't be that hard.

Uh, nobody in the scientific community believes homosexuality is genetic.:| You're the one who needs to prove your position; the burden of proof lies on you firstly anyway.:|

Then show me what they have proven, and I'll shut up.;)

I don't believe homosexuality is a choice, I believe it is hormonal. KNow why? Because that's where the evidence points.;)

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

That has nothing to do with the argument.

And the APA has already said it's share. Just go on their website. I'm not going to spend two hours nitpicking every damn article for you.

Fact of the matter is, APA + other organizations > NARTH, as such, no one will acknowledge your swamp of links, not because NARTH has less intelligent people, but because their credibility is greatly in question.

You links, which are your points, will always be invalid.

The_Ish

It's not my responsibility to gather up YOUR proof. You are the one with the burden, so if you don't give me proof, I'm not in any way entitled to believe you.

My links are only invalid when disproven, which is something you have yet to do.

I don't have to disprove them, since they are already disproven through more credible organizations.

The fact that they are widely accepted by the scientific community and all over the net means your the one that has to back up the claims of this organization.

The APA, and so many others have already proven what they have had to.

Go ahead and believe that homosexuality is a choice, the opinions of some voice on the net or the "research" of a descredited organization won't change the fact that it isn't.

You're the one who needs to prove your position; the burden of proof lies on you firstly anyway.:|

Silver_Dragon17

So the burden of proof is on the claimant?

Another tasty irony. ;)

[QUOTE="_Margulis_"]

Yes it does, if I said a 4 foot tall man with a shoe fetish lived within 20 miles of your house you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong, but since I'm a credible source it doesn't mean it's true.

Silver_Dragon17

It doesn't mean it's false either. The way to find out is to go online and do a search around my house to see if people are like that. But the fallacy is when I go "Haha! You're wrong!" without checking anything out.

You're right, maybe you should get a move on saying something worth acknowledging.

Uh, nobody in the scientific community believes homosexuality is genetic.:|

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]

Yeah, I'm really really excited. I've never celebrated Christmas once in my entire life because of what I was forced to believe growing up, so now that I'm no longer under that control, I'm gonna give it a shot :D I have plans and everything ^_^ If I were a billionaire, I'd send you all gifts and become the e-santa :PThe_Ish

You never celebrated Christmas? :o Even I celebrated christmas! Though I did do it secretly with a bunch of friends. >_>

I come from a Muslim family. >_>

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="_Margulis_"]

Yes it does, if I said a 4 foot tall man with a shoe fetish lived within 20 miles of your house you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong, but since I'm a credible source it doesn't mean it's true.

_Margulis_

It doesn't mean it's false either. The way to find out is to go online and do a search around my house to see if people are like that. But the fallacy is when I go "Haha! You're wrong!" without checking anything out.

You're right, maybe you should get a move on saying something worth acknowledging.

I'm not the one commiting the fallacy.;)

im pretty sure im straight.

actually i know i am.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"] You're the one who needs to prove your position; the burden of proof lies on you firstly anyway.:|

luke1889

So the burden of proof is on the claimant?

Another tasty irony. ;)

Do you HAVE to do that everytime I go scientific?

[QUOTE="_Margulis_"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="_Margulis_"]

Yes it does, if I said a 4 foot tall man with a shoe fetish lived within 20 miles of your house you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong, but since I'm a credible source it doesn't mean it's true.

Silver_Dragon17

It doesn't mean it's false either. The way to find out is to go online and do a search around my house to see if people are like that. But the fallacy is when I go "Haha! You're wrong!" without checking anything out.

You're right, maybe you should get a move on saying something worth acknowledging.

I'm not the one commiting the fallacy.;)

Is someone talking to me?

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="_Marisa_"]

Yeah, I'm really really excited. I've never celebrated Christmas once in my entire life because of what I was forced to believe growing up, so now that I'm no longer under that control, I'm gonna give it a shot :D I have plans and everything ^_^ If I were a billionaire, I'd send you all gifts and become the e-santa :Pgreenprince

You never celebrated Christmas? :o Even I celebrated christmas! Though I did do it secretly with a bunch of friends. >_>

I come from a Muslim family. >_>

Technically, it is :P

[QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"] You're the one who needs to prove your position; the burden of proof lies on you firstly anyway.:|

Silver_Dragon17

So the burden of proof is on the claimant?

Another tasty irony. ;)

Do you HAVE to do that everytime I go scientific?

I'm sorry. I'll stop now. :oops:

I'm only joshing with you after all. :(

For the most part, it's genetic.ninjacat11

[QUOTE="ninjacat11"]For the most part, it's genetic.nbtrap1212

I didn't choose to be straightmig_killer2

Exactly. I just started liking girls. I presume its the same process if you're homosexual.

I'm not sure why everyone is debating this? Because whatever you believe, everyone will just defend their beliefs. Their is no way of proving whether you do have a choice or don't it's that simple, I just had to say that.InstantClassic1

I'm not sure why its even an issue :?

Is it so hard to just accept people? :(

Omg, who the hell cares if it's genetic or not. They are the way they are and they're happy that way. Drop it. _Marisa_

i'm with you... what difference does it make whether sexual orientation/preference is genetic, hormonal, or a choice?

seriously, why should anyone care about this? love the one you're with, live and let live, mind you own business, etc.