Is the roman catholic church commiting idolatry?

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Odd. These last two posts of yours contradict.

LJS9502_basic

No, they do not contradict. You're just not understanding the differences between 'freed' and 'adherence'.

Freed from the law doesn't mean you shouldn't obey the law, it simply means that it's not going to be used to condemn you to hellfire. One should still try to walk with the law, as the Bible clearly says that you should do nothing that a man can hold against you.

Jesus thought they were pretty important. He said...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

You'd be suprised. Most Catholics I've met are more about the ritual of things than actually reading and comprehending. You know, the "I go to church" people.

br0kenrabbit

Put it this way: If Catholics did their research as I have done, like going back to the old languages and understanding what's actually being said, they'd abondon the Catholic church because of it's heresey. The fact that they are still Catholics tells me they haven't read anything other than the Latin/English Bible and have not looked in the Bible beyond Sunday Morning (which is not the Sabbath, as the Sabbath is the 7th day and Sunday is the 1st).

Jesus thought they were pretty important. He said...

blackregiment

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Here is some additional commentary on that.

LJS9502_basic

Not arguing at all, just providing some commentary regarding the verse you pointed to regarding Peter.

Again that is your interpretation. From reading your posts I don't see a sense that you understand the Catholic faith. *shrugs*

LJS9502_basic

I was married to a Catholic, and her mother was a co-pastor (Lancaster, Ontario). I've both been exposed to and researched Catholicism for over two decades. In fact, I even had a Catholic semister in my Religious studies at college.

So, who's generalizing NOW? I thought you abhored such things?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Again that is your interpretation. From reading your posts I don't see a sense that you understand the Catholic faith. *shrugs*

br0kenrabbit

I was married to a Catholic, and her mother was a co-pastor (Lancaster, Ontario). I've both been exposed to and researched Catholicism for over two decades. In fact, I even had a Catholic semister in my Religious studies at college.

So, who's generalizing NOW? I thought you abhored such things?

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Jesus thought they were pretty important. He said...

LJS9502_basic

Which isn't labor.

Again, back to the trasnlations...in the original language it was LABOR not WORK. And LABOR meant your PROFESSIONAL JOB. See what I mean about not knowing what they're talking about?

You can't claim you've read THE Bible if all you've read is the Latin/English version. It doesn't work that way becuase language doesn't work that way.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Jesus thought they were pretty important. He said...

LJS9502_basic

He sure did and also said...

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mat 12:13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Jesus thought they were pretty important. He said...

br0kenrabbit

Which isn't labor.

Again, back to the trasnlations...in the original language it was LABOR not WORK. And LABOR meant your PROFESSIONAL JOB. See what I mean about not knowing what they're talking about?

You can't claim you've read THE Bible if all you've read is the Latin/English version. It doesn't work that way becuase language doesn't work that way.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Again that is your interpretation. From reading your posts I don't see a sense that you understand the Catholic faith. *shrugs*

LJS9502_basic

I was married to a Catholic, and her mother was a co-pastor (Lancaster, Ontario). I've both been exposed to and researched Catholicism for over two decades. In fact, I even had a Catholic semister in my Religious studies at college.

So, who's generalizing NOW? I thought you abhored such things?

You're generalizing my education and experience. Generalizing doesn't have to apply to a group of people, just to an idea or ideal.

Pharisees used it against him easily enough.....

LJS9502_basic

The Pharisees were corrupt and wanted to imprison him, what's your point?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

I was married to a Catholic, and her mother was a co-pastor (Lancaster, Ontario). I've both been exposed to and researched Catholicism for over two decades. In fact, I even had a Catholic semister in my Religious studies at college.

So, who's generalizing NOW? I thought you abhored such things?

br0kenrabbit

You're generalizing my education and experience. Generalizing doesn't have to apply to a group of people, just to an idea or ideal.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Pharisees used it against him easily enough.....

br0kenrabbit

The Pharisees were corrupt and wanted to imprison him, what's your point?

Anyway....somewhere to go. See you later....

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And then He healed on the Sabbath....

LJS9502_basic

Which isn't labor.

Again, back to the trasnlations...in the original language it was LABOR not WORK. And LABOR meant your PROFESSIONAL JOB. See what I mean about not knowing what they're talking about?

You can't claim you've read THE Bible if all you've read is the Latin/English version. It doesn't work that way becuase language doesn't work that way.

They were trying to entrap Him. Jesus, God in the flesh created the law, not the Pharisees.

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Pharisees used it against him easily enough.....

LJS9502_basic

The Pharisees were corrupt and wanted to imprison him, what's your point?

Anyway....somewhere to go. See you later....

No, they used their incorrect understanding of Scripture in an attempt to entrap Him. Jesus rebuked them.

Mat 12:9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:
Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mat 12:13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
Mat 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] How am I generalizing if I got the impression from reading YOUR posts. Doesn't seem to be the appropriate word choice...LJS9502_basic

You're generalizing my education and experience. Generalizing doesn't have to apply to a group of people, just to an idea or ideal.

Yes, as a matter of fact, it is:

Generalize:draw from specific cases for more general cases, speak or write in generalities

And feel free to point out my 'errors'.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Again that is your interpretation. From reading your posts I don't see a sense that you understand the Catholic faith. *shrugs*

br0kenrabbit

I was married to a Catholic, and her mother was a co-pastor (Lancaster, Ontario). I've both been exposed to and researched Catholicism for over two decades. In fact, I even had a Catholic semister in my Religious studies at college.

So, who's generalizing NOW? I thought you abhored such things?

I always thought catholics committed idolatry by asking people (priests) for forgiveness and praying to saints (who were also human) sexy_fool69

I always thought catholics committed idolatry by asking people (priests) for forgiveness and praying to saints (who were also human) sexy_fool69

[QUOTE="sexy_fool69"]I always thought catholics committed idolatry by asking people (priests) for forgiveness and praying to saints (who were also human) Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="sexy_fool69"]I always thought catholics committed idolatry by asking people (priests) for forgiveness and praying to saints (who were also human) sexy_fool69

[QUOTE="sexy_fool69"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You commit Idolatry for asking anyone for forgiveness then. How is praying to Saints for Help/Guidance Idolatry?Snipes_2

What?? Why cant you?? If one believes in GOD it shouldnt be too difficult for one to admit that you're wrong and feel humility when asking him for forgivness directly right?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="sexy_fool69"] How is asking someone you wronged for forgiveness the same thing as asking someone random for forgiveness for sins he has nothing to do with. Regarding asking saints for guidance, why not just go straight to GOD? You're practically worshiping a person for help instead of GOD, isnt that the definition of idolatry????sexy_fool69

What?? Why cant you?? If one believes in GOD it shouldnt be too difficult for one to admit that you're wrong and feel humility when asking him for forgivness directly right?

[QUOTE="sexy_fool69"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You're not Worshipping Saints though. You respect them and Ask them for their Guidance. A Priest is supposed to Represent God/Jesus, through Him you are given absolution for your sins. You can't just say, "Oh Hey God, Sorry I committed a Sin, Can you forgive me please?". By confessing to a Priest you admit that you've done wrong, and it gives you Humility. People DO NOT Worship Priests. Prayer does not equal Idolatry. Snipes_2

What?? Why cant you?? If one believes in GOD it shouldnt be too difficult for one to admit that you're wrong and feel humility when asking him for forgivness directly right?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="sexy_fool69"]

What?? Why cant you?? If one believes in GOD it shouldnt be too difficult for one to admit that you're wrong and feel humility when asking him for forgivness directly right?

sexy_fool69

Anyone selecting yes is unfamiliar with the Catholic faith......just saying.LJS9502_basic

"Idolatry is usually defined as worship of any cult image, idea, or object, as opposed to the worship of a monotheistic God"

There you go. It's completely the opposite of Catholicism/Christianity.

"Idolatry is usually defined as worship of any cult image, idea, or object, as opposed to the worship of a monotheistic God"

There you go. It's completely the opposite of Catholicism/Christianity.

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="sexy_fool69"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You're not Worshipping Saints though. You respect them and Ask them for their Guidance. A Priest is supposed to Represent God/Jesus, through Him you are given absolution for your sins. You can't just say, "Oh Hey God, Sorry I committed a Sin, Can you forgive me please?". By confessing to a Priest you admit that you've done wrong, and it gives you Humility. People DO NOT Worship Priests. Prayer does not equal Idolatry. Snipes_2

What?? Why cant you?? If one believes in GOD it shouldnt be too difficult for one to admit that you're wrong and feel humility when asking him for forgivness directly right?

1John 1:19: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

If you were honest in your confession, then you won't do it again 5 seconds later.

The Bible describes all believers as priests:

1Peter 2:5: you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

And furthermore, the Bible CLEARLY states there is BUT ONE mediator between man and God:

1Timothy 2:5: For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

The New Testament teaches that there are to be elders (1 Timothy 3), deacons (1 Timothy 3), bishops (Titus 1:6-9), and pastors (Ephesians 4:11) – but not priests.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

"Idolatry is usually defined as worship of any cult image, idea, or object, as opposed to the worship of a monotheistic God"

There you go. It's completely the opposite of Catholicism/Christianity.

jalexbrown

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

"Idolatry is usually defined as worship of any cult image, idea, or object, as opposed to the worship of a monotheistic God"

There you go. It's completely the opposite of Catholicism/Christianity.

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="sexy_fool69"]

What?? Why cant you?? If one believes in GOD it shouldnt be too difficult for one to admit that you're wrong and feel humility when asking him for forgivness directly right?

br0kenrabbit

1John 1:19: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

If you were honest in your confession, then you won't do it again 5 seconds later.

The Bible describes all believers as priests:

1Peter 2:5: you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

And furthermore, the Bible CLEARLY states there is BUT ONE mediator between man and God:

1Timothy 2:5: For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

The New Testament teaches that there are to be elders (1 Timothy 3), deacons (1 Timothy 3), bishops (Titus 1:6-9), and pastors (Ephesians 4:11) – but not priests.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]Seriously? I don't believe Jesus was the messiah or a prophet or anything like that, so why shouldn't I see Christianity as idol worship?Snipes_2

Idolatry in the Hebrew Bible is defined as either:

• the worship of idols (or images)
• the worship of polytheistic gods by use of idols (or images)
• the worship of animals or people
• the use of idols in the worship of God.

whitetiger3521

You don't see how a Jewish person could see the worship of Jesus as a form of idolatry?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"]
Because it's not. Praying does not Equal Idol Worship. Idol Worship is the worship of things like Money, Golden Calf, Power etc..scorch-62

Idolatry in the Hebrew Bible is defined as either:

• the worship of idols (or images)
• the worship of polytheistic gods by use of idols (or images)
• the worship of animals or people
• the use of idols in the worship of God.

whitetiger3521

You don't see how a Jewish person could see the worship of Jesus as a form of idolatry?

Priests Represent Jesus on Earth. Spiritual Sacrifices are Good, but don't cleanse you of your Sins. especially Mortal Sins. Each Church has a Pastor, under the Pastor are the Priests. Just because they aren't the Leader of that specific Church doesn't make them any less important. Snipes_2

The HOLY SPIRIT represents Jesus on Earth.

There are no Mortal Sins. There is only one unforgivable sin and that is unbelief (Mark 3/Matthew 12).

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

The whole symbolism of the Veil tearing in The Temple during Christs cruxifixion was to symbolize that the way of man to God was now open and didn't need a priest, as the veil was to keep everyone but the priests out.

Matthew 27:50 : And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom

Hebrews 10:19: Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain,