Islamic parents get life for murdering westernised daughter.

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#51 Crunchy_Nuts
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] IF you're going to post comments like that....you should remove the end of your comments. Very un-Christ-like Cruch. On topic....I read that yesterday. I can't conceive of how any parent could harm their child. Disgusting. Does thou shalt not kill mean anything in their religion? I mean that question seriously.....

These people don't give a damn about religion. They care more about how their people thinks of them. To them it is more honourable to murder their daughter than let her escape from their barbaric culture.

Honor killings have existed longer than these two people have...

Exactly. It's not just limited to these two people. There is a whole culture of honour killings in various communities and people in power are too afraid to call them out on it. These people who come from 3rd world come to the west to enjoy its freedoms, but at the same time will not allow their children who were born and grew up here to integrate fully into the western culture. Religion does also play a part of this as it shapes the culture they come from too, in this case it is Islam (which is inherently anti-western). I'm not saying that all who come from the 3rd world are like this, but many are.
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Jebus213"]RELIGION OF PEACETopTierHustler

It's good to know that we can judge an entire religion based on two people.

We hear crap like this all the time from Islam and never from Christianity.

Maybe it's all just a huge coincidence that it happens over and over again in the same religion, and not any other.

umm this stuff does happen with Christians ALOT. ever been to eastern Europe?

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#54 Zeviander
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]RELIGION OF PEACEMrGeezer
It's good to know that we can judge an entire religion based on two people.

Considering honor killings are common in Muslim communities and countries, it might be safe to assume this is either 1) a part of the religion or 2) a problem in the religion most self-proclaimed "moderate" Muslims don't stand up against.
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#55 C2N2
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What's crazy is how long they got away with it... Did you guys read the article? They murdered her in 2003 in front of her other brothers and sisters as an example and the parents have gotten away with it until recently when one of the younger siblings told police what she saw...

I feel really bad for her... Reading that artcile was kind of eye opening about British Social Services... Several times she reached out and told teachers and social workers she was being abused, she ran away multiple times, had herself declared homeless to get help, and even tried to commit suicide at one point and she was never removed from the home and always sent back... That is disgusting...

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#56 JohnF111
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So rather than go back to their own country where the culture they hold in such high regard lies, they killed their daughter in order to avoid leaving the country they clearly hate and despise... Pathetic and probably living on benefits and didn't want to give up such a luxurious life, that's what I hate about immigrants, they come here simply to live off us yet hate us and want nothing to do with us. This is as if God moved to Hell for warmer weather, just unthinkable and the devil wouldnt appreciate it at all. I don't appreciate immigrants who don't appreciate the things our country provides to them.
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#57 kingkong0124
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Thank you for posting this, indzman.

You really hate them Pakistanis don't you.GazaAli

I'm guessing he's from India? Understandable.

also: why is he not being insulted for using a dailymail link when I was?

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#58 kingkong0124
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I'm an atheist, secular humanist and a progressive, and I want to make one thing very clear. Despite the fact that the man specifically made it clear this was religiously motivated, anyone blaming Islam is a bigot. Islamophobia is not okay. If he was a Christian, it would be religiously motivated, but Muslims are victims of bigotry and need to be constantly treated like victims. Fundamentalist Christianity is every bit as bad as Radical Islam, if not worse. Also, it's completely bigoted to say that people from the third world immigrating to Western Europe will have any impact on states like the UK. There is no such things as voting wars, and politicians never pander to a growing voting block. Rhazakna
wowowowowowowow keep on being politically correct bud

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I want to kill myself when I hear stories like this. But instead, I thank God for keeping me alive.

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#60 LJS9502_basic
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Thank you for posting this, indzman.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]You really hate them Pakistanis don't you.kingkong0124

I'm guessing he's from India? Understandable.

also: why is he not being insulted for using a dailymail link when I was?

I read it on CNN last night.....
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Thank you for posting this, indzman.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]You really hate them Pakistanis don't you.kingkong0124

I'm guessing he's from India? Understandable.

also: why is he not being insulted for using a dailymail link when I was?

His name is GazaAli,i think it is pretty obvious from where he is ;]
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#62 kingkong0124
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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

Thank you for posting this, indzman.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]You really hate them Pakistanis don't you.FMAB_GTO

I'm guessing he's from India? Understandable.

also: why is he not being insulted for using a dailymail link when I was?

His name is GazaAli,i think it is pretty obvious from where he is ;]

I know GazaAli is from Gaza, but I was referring to Indzman.
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#63 ghoklebutter
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How can parents be so inhumane and cruel to their children?

RIP Shafilea :{

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#64 FMAB_GTO
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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

I'm guessing he's from India? Understandable.

also: why is he not being insulted for using a dailymail link when I was?

kingkong0124
His name is GazaAli,i think it is pretty obvious from where he is ;]

I know GazaAli is from Gaza, but I was referring to Indzman.

oh my bad,sorry ;[
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#65 Chicken453
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I remember when this was on the news (it's a pretty old story) me and my mom were talking about it, and how bad it was :/
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#66 RadecSupreme
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Sick. Who would be crazy enough to destroy their own offspring? Sickening. Life in jail without parole for these hypocritical piles of garbage.

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#67 WhiteKnight77
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It just isn't England where this has happened, an Egyptian cab driver from Dallas, TX murdered his 18 and 17 year old daughters for the same reasons. One even had a black boyfriend which may have mad the guy even more madder. What is worse is that the mother had run away with the girls at one point, but was talked into returning after the mother returned to the father. She may be busted for enticing the girls back to Dallas from Illinois.

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#68 lonewolf604
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I want to kill myself when I hear stories like this. But instead, I thank God for keeping me alive.

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You mean thank god you weren't born into a muslim family?
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Shame the parents are not like my two Muslim female friends parents, extremely nice people, proud of their daughters (even adopted some western culture). Also doesn't seem to be religiously motivated on the father's part in the murder he just cared for image, a weak man.

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#70 CHOASXIII
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That's sad that what happened happened, at least they actually got convicted and all that.

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#71 Zaibach
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Well I hope life imprisonment can help them avoid the shame they would have suffered had their daughter become westernised.

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Shame the parents are not like my two Muslim female friends parents, extremely nice people, proud of their daughters (even adopted some western culture). Also doesn't seem to be religiously motivated on the father's part in the murder he just cared for image, a weak man.

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Eh it's cultural and a big part of the culture is religion. I don't think we can isolate the two easily with first and possibly second generation immigrants. Down the line...sure Muslims will be westernized.
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Damn she was hot =(
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#74 Blue-Sky
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They should have been executed.

I guess I should be surprised they even got life, though.
God bless,
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You think death is justice?

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Why the f@ck do they live in a western country then?

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#76 Jebus213
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]RELIGION OF PEACEMrGeezer
It's good to know that we can judge an entire religion based on two people.

Not first time something like this has happened.
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#77 Communist_Soul
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[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

Shame the parents are not like my two Muslim female friends parents, extremely nice people, proud of their daughters (even adopted some western culture). Also doesn't seem to be religiously motivated on the father's part in the murder he just cared for image, a weak man.

LJS9502_basic

Eh it's cultural and a big part of the culture is religion. I don't think we can isolate the two easily with first and possibly second generation immigrants. Down the line...sure Muslims will be westernized.

Compare to other religions Islam, most of the aspects of culture are still rooted in the religion such as "Islamic history, for Muslims has an important religious and also legal significance, since it reflects the working out of God's purpose for His Community - those that accept the teachings of Islam and obey its law" -Lewis, 1994 27, what should value is outlined in the Quran and how they organized their societies primarily as patriarchal. What makes me believe this was not religiously motives rather a part of ME culture is if we look at Albanian Muslims honor killings such as this are almost unknown.

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She gorgeous to me. (At least based on the pic....) Its really sad to see a pretty face like that go because of some nutjobs couldn't take the fact that their daughter decided to follow a different culture rather than their own.... "Leading criminologist says Shafilea may still be alive were it not for a 'catastrophic failure by state agencies to communicate effectively'" "Shafilea's efforts to escape her parents' iron grip were thwarted by what criminologist Dr Aisha Gill called a 'catastrophic' communication breakdown as social workers took her reluctance to make allegations of abuse at face value." *Sigh* Well, at least she attempted to save herself. Its too bad that she wasn't taken seriously by social workers by the looks of it.....
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[QUOTE="tocool340"] Its really sad to see a pretty face like that go because of some nutjobs couldn't take the fact that their daughter decided to follow a different culture rather than their own....

Agreed. What makes it even worse, is that the culture in question is the culture of a county they raised her in. People like that should really just f*ck off back to their desert and Sharia law. C*nts.
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what a peaceful and civilized religion

NOT.

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#82 Dogswithguns
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How stupid parents killed their own child for this?!.. for whatever?!.. just beyond stupid.
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Jebus213"]RELIGION OF PEACEZeviander
It's good to know that we can judge an entire religion based on two people.

Considering honor killings are common in Muslim communities and countries, it might be safe to assume this is either 1) a part of the religion or 2) a problem in the religion most self-proclaimed "moderate" Muslims don't stand up against.

How common is it?
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Pakistanies man

pakistan.......

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IDK if its really fair to blame the religion here. i know that the punishment for apostacy is beheading, but IDK if it says anywhere in muslim texts that you're allowed to execute your daughter for being "western". I may be wrong though, who knows with islam.

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How common is it?MrGeezer
Significantly more than it should be. Plus, it happens in all Muslim communities, both Western and Muslim-governed. It is not a trait centered in any specific community, or with any specific denomination. And anyone who commits an honor killing, claims they are following the law of Islam or Sharia. It is hard not to judge an entire religion when it's holy text condones beating women.
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IDK if its really fair to blame the religion here. i know that the punishment for apostacy is beheading, but IDK if it says anywhere in muslim texts that you're allowed to execute your daughter for being "western". I may be wrong though, who knows with islam.

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You're right. Honor killings are not necessarily Islamic. However, Islam promotes attitudes that indirectly encourage them.
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Parents accused of murdering six children in house inferno beg to be let out of jail to attend funerals Mick Philpott and wife Mairead are accused of killing their six children in an arson attack three weeks ago Before arrests couple had already started to plan funeral - six separate double-horse-drawn hearses to carry the coffins at Derby Cathedral Read more:

article-2152985-1365961E000005DC-863_634

bu bu but Muslims are so evil

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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]How common is it?Zeviander
Significantly more than it should be. Plus, it happens in all Muslim communities, both Western and Muslim-governed. It is not a trait centered in any specific community, or with any specific denomination. And anyone who commits an honor killing, claims they are following the law of Islam or Sharia. It is hard not to judge an entire religion when it's holy text condones beating women.

So...how common is it? Are there like, any statistics on how often this kind of stuff happens? Is it well-documented, or is it just a case of "seems like it happens a lot"?
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]How common is it?MrGeezer
Significantly more than it should be. Plus, it happens in all Muslim communities, both Western and Muslim-governed. It is not a trait centered in any specific community, or with any specific denomination. And anyone who commits an honor killing, claims they are following the law of Islam or Sharia. It is hard not to judge an entire religion when it's holy text condones beating women.

So...how common is it? Are there like, any statistics on how often this kind of stuff happens? Is it well-documented, or is it just a case of "seems like it happens a lot"?

For me, I live in an area where there are a lot of Pakistani people and I have quite a few Pakistani friends. A lot of the personally know girls and women who have been forced into marriage. It's being bought out into the open more over here in the UK, but they say that it is still happens relatively often back in Pakistan. Even amongst people I know in Bangladesh (the few times I've been there) I have suspected that there is a lot of 'the good muslim woman' types. Obviously no one will say it out in the open, but the signs are visible.
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Zeviander"] Significantly more than it should be. Plus, it happens in all Muslim communities, both Western and Muslim-governed. It is not a trait centered in any specific community, or with any specific denomination. And anyone who commits an honor killing, claims they are following the law of Islam or Sharia. It is hard not to judge an entire religion when it's holy text condones beating women.Crunchy_Nuts
So...how common is it? Are there like, any statistics on how often this kind of stuff happens? Is it well-documented, or is it just a case of "seems like it happens a lot"?

For me, I live in an area where there are a lot of Pakistani people and I have quite a few Pakistani friends. A lot of the personally know girls and women who have been forced into marriage. It's being bought out into the open more over here in the UK, but they say that it is still happens relatively often back in Pakistan. Even amongst people I know in Bangladesh (the few times I've been there) I have suspected that there is a lot of 'the good muslim woman' types. Obviously no one will say it out in the open, but the signs are visible.

Here's something that confrims what you say about Pakistan.Oh, and here's what's going on in the UK.

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Fundamentalist Christianity is every bit as bad as Radical Islam, if not worse.Rhazakna
I don't see many fundamentalist christians blowing up buildings or threatening (and in some cases taking) the lives of those with the courage to criticize them in public.
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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] Fundamentalist Christianity is every bit as bad as Radical Islam, if not worse.-Sun_Tzu-
I don't see many fundamentalist christians blowing up buildings or threatening (and in some cases taking) the lives of those with the courage to criticize them in public.

...There's sarcasm written all over his post.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"] Fundamentalist Christianity is every bit as bad as Radical Islam, if not worse.ghoklebutter
I don't see many fundamentalist christians blowing up buildings or threatening (and in some cases taking) the lives of those with the courage to criticize them in public.

...There's sarcasm written all over his post.

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They need to hung from the highest tree.
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#96 jackfruitchips
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Muslims go to Western countries and dont like their children get Westernized ? then go back to deserts.

I'm sure there are more "honorable killings" like this in the future.

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#97 ghoklebutter
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Muslims go to Western countries and dont like their children get Westernized ? then go back to deserts.

I'm sure there are more "honorable killings" like this in the future.

jackfruitchips
It's a weird quasi-colonialist mindset: they want to maintain their strong cultural presence wherever they go. Most foreign Muslims I know are pretty moderate in regards to their home culture, however.
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#98 FMAB_GTO
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[QUOTE="jackfruitchips"]

Muslims go to Western countries and dont like their children get Westernized ? then go back to deserts.

I'm sure there are more "honorable killings" like this in the future.

ghoklebutter
It's a weird quasi-colonialist mindset: they want to maintain their strong cultural presence wherever they go. Most foreign Muslims I know are pretty moderate in regards to their home culture, however.

True. In here,the ones that are becoming "western" are usually the older part of the family u_u
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#99 MrPraline
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Muslims go to Western countries and dont like their children get Westernized ? then go back to deserts.

I'm sure there are more "honorable killings" like this in the future.

jackfruitchips
I agree. Honour killings, and the disgusting culture it's supposed to uphold, need to die several deaths.
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[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] Fundamentalist Christianity is every bit as bad as Radical Islam, if not worse.-Sun_Tzu-
I don't see many fundamentalist christians blowing up buildings or threatening (and in some cases taking) the lives of those with the courage to criticize them in public.

wow look at Sun Tzu defending Christianity for the first time in his life u go gurl