It is Merry Christmas! (not happy holidays)

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[QUOTE="smc91352"]well; if there are no real profit estimates, and you're just going on speculation I say "Merry Christmas" shouldn't be used. (Just an opinion)

BumFluff122

I don't care, as long as I get presents.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Did you not see the word potentially?LJS9502_basic

And who says people who don't like the "Merry Christmas" aren't affecting the profits more? We're just going on speculation and I think its plausible.

I think the profit margins should settle it and if not, "Happy Holidays" should be used. (just my bias)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="smc91352"]well; if there are no real profit estimates, and you're just going on speculation I say "Merry Christmas" shouldn't be used. (Just an opinion)

smc91352

And who says people who don't like the "Merry Christmas" aren't affecting the profits more? We're just going on speculation and I think its plausible.

I think the profit margins should settle it and if not, "Happy Holidays" should be used. (just my bias)

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well that is why I said potentially. If people that did celebrate Christmas decided not to shop where holidays was used instead...then they have a problem. And for all we know that may already occur just not to a large degree.

LJS9502_basic

And who says people who don't like the "Merry Christmas" aren't affecting the profits more? We're just going on speculation and I think its plausible.

I think the profit margins should settle it and if not, "Happy Holidays" should be used. (just my bias)

In fact it appears that the minority of the Christians is the one that really has a problem with it. Therefore the fact that Christians as a whole are more in number than the other people doesnt really say much in this case.

I'm probably the most anti-religious person you'll meet, however I believe Christmas has greatly transcended its originally religious purpose/meaning.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well that is why I said potentially. If people that did celebrate Christmas decided not to shop where holidays was used instead...then they have a problem. And for all we know that may already occur just not to a large degree.

LJS9502_basic

And who says people who don't like the "Merry Christmas" aren't affecting the profits more? We're just going on speculation and I think its plausible.

I think the profit margins should settle it and if not, "Happy Holidays" should be used. (just my bias)

yes, but the amount of people does not mean (necessarily) that the profits are in favor of Christmas.

And Holidays does not offend Christmas, so my bias will say that if no difference in profits is noticed (or known) Holidays should be used.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="smc91352"]But we DON'T know. (or atleast I don't, let me know if you find some numbers)

And who says people who don't like the "Merry Christmas" aren't affecting the profits more? We're just going on speculation and I think its plausible.

I think the profit margins should settle it and if not, "Happy Holidays" should be used. (just my bias)

Teenaged

In fact it appears that the minority of the Christians is the one that really has a problem with it. Therefore the fact that Christians as a whole are more in number than the other people doesnt really say much in this case.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="smc91352"]But we DON'T know. (or atleast I don't, let me know if you find some numbers)

And who says people who don't like the "Merry Christmas" aren't affecting the profits more? We're just going on speculation and I think its plausible.

I think the profit margins should settle it and if not, "Happy Holidays" should be used. (just my bias)

smc91352

yes, but the amount of people does not mean (necessarily) that the profits are in favor of Christmas.

And Holidays does not offend Christmas, so my bias will say that if no difference in profits is noticed (or known) Holidays should be used.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well that is why I said potentially. If people that did celebrate Christmas decided not to shop where holidays was used instead...then they have a problem. And for all we know that may already occur just not to a large degree.

LJS9502_basic

The reason non religious people are seemingly upset is because they are use to it. If the holiday greeting was Happy Dogwetting and they were changing it to Joyous Disinterested Penguin we would be arguing the same thing over the Happy Dogwetting name. There was another point I wanted to make in this post as well but now I have forgotten. It was a good point though.

I think possibly the only person to have posted in this thread that it troubles enough for them not to shop there is the TC. The point is, the happier people are the more they will buy. The more products a company has geared towards everyone the more products they will sell. Happy Holidays isn't any sort of insult to Christianity. It is an all encompassing phrase in order to get more money into the store. I find it odd that usually just underneath that Happy Holliday sign they still have a christmas tree and sometimes a nativity scene or something similar yet people still like to argue that the sign just isn't christian enough. Often next to the christmas tree or fairly close they also have some jewish holiday items and those of other cultures. Do you not see that if a Merry Christmas sign is displayed above these symbols they would be losing money on those sales pertaining to those religions? People just come in and see th eMarry Christmas sign and then walk otu because they think it doesn't have what they want.

The reason non religious people are seemingly upset is because they are use to it. If the holiday greeting was Happy Dogwetting and they were changing it to Joyous Disinterested Penguin we would be arguing the same thing over the Happy Dogwetting name. There was another point I wanted to make in this post as well but now I have forgotten. It was a good point though.

BumFluff122

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That goes back to the numbers. How many people celebrate Christmas. Now break that into groups and see which group is in the lead.LJS9502_basic

yes, but the amount of people does not mean (necessarily) that the profits are in favor of Christmas.

And Holidays does not offend Christmas, so my bias will say that if no difference in profits is noticed (or known) Holidays should be used.

Are you using that as an excuse not to find out which is more profitable?

(I'm sorry, I know you're getting it from all angles. Forgive me if I say something dumb)

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That goes back to the numbers. How many people celebrate Christmas. Now break that into groups and see which group is in the lead.LJS9502_basic

In fact it appears that the minority of the Christians is the one that really has a problem with it. Therefore the fact that Christians as a whole are more in number than the other people doesnt really say much in this case.

I found the mention of numbers to be misleading without actually seeing what percentage (if it can be measured) should be taken into consideration, in stead of just throwing it out there that Christians are more in numbers.

No intention was changed. Just a point was made clearer.

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I think possibly the only person to have posted in this thread that it troubles enough for them not to shop there is the TC. The point is, the happier people are the more they will buy. The more products a company has geared towards everyone the more products they will sell. Happy Holidays isn't any sort of insult to Christianity. It is an all encompassing phrase in order to get more money into the store. I find it odd that usually just underneath that Happy Holliday sign they still have a christmas tree and sometimes a nativity scene or something similar yet people still like to argue that the sign just isn't christian enough. Often next to the christmas tree or fairly close they also have some jewish holiday items and those of other cultures. Do you not see that if a Merry Christmas sign is displayed above these symbols they would be losing money on those sales pertaining to those religions? People just come in and see th eMarry Christmas sign and then walk otu because they think it doesn't have what they want.

The reason non religious people are seemingly upset is because they are use to it. If the holiday greeting was Happy Dogwetting and they were changing it to Joyous Disinterested Penguin we would be arguing the same thing over the Happy Dogwetting name. There was another point I wanted to make in this post as well but now I have forgotten. It was a good point though.

LJS9502_basic

[The results are not guaranteed that's for sure.

I found the mention of numbers to be misleading without actually seeing what percentage (if it can be measured) should be taken into consideration, in stead of just throwing it out there that Christians are more in numbers.

No intention was changed. Just a point was made clearer.

Teenaged

Religion in the U.S. vs. the World:

United StatesWorld

Christian83%33

No religion1315

All non-Christian religions452

Here's the numbers.....the world figures are for total adults. For the US it's adults only per ABC News. My comment was to your twisting the word potentially as though I stated it was a fact currently happening.

Religion in the U.S. vs. the World:

United StatesWorld

Christian83%33

No religion1315

All non-Christian religions452

LJS9502_basic

Now how many of that list would stop shopping somewhere if the sign, next to a christmas tree and a santa clause and a few nativity scenes, read Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas? I don't think that many Christians are so stuck up that they think they are the only ones who need be cattered to during this season.

BumFluff122

Not to mention the fact that it means nothing to a company how many shoppers they have as long as they get the most profits.

[Now how many of that list would stop shopping somewhere if the sign, next to a christmas tree and a santa clause and a few nativity scenes, read Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas? I don't think that many Christians are so stuck up that they think they are the only ones who need be cattered to during this season.

BumFluff122

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[Now how many of that list would stop shopping somewhere if the sign, next to a christmas tree and a santa clause and a few nativity scenes, read Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas? I don't think that many Christians are so stuck up that they think they are the only ones who need be cattered to during this season.

LJS9502_basic

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[Now how many of that list would stop shopping somewhere if the sign, next to a christmas tree and a santa clause and a few nativity scenes, read Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas? I don't think that many Christians are so stuck up that they think they are the only ones who need be cattered to during this season.

LJS9502_basic

There are other holidays that give gifts at this time as well. The Holiday season is the biggest selling season of the year. The biggest day of sales of the year is actually boxing day. They need the christmas revenue as well as revenue from other sources. I highly doubt that ,as many christians will be so angry at them including other religions in their holiday greetings that they won't buy any products there as opposed to if they only included chsitianity and christmas in their stores. Happy Holidays include christmas. This whole argument is like a child yelling at their parent "But I want it my way!" and the parent responding "No honey we need to include everyone or else it just won't be fair."

BumFluff122

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There are other holidays that give gifts at this time as well. The Holiday season is the biggest selling season of the year. The biggest day of sales of the year is actually boxing day. They need the christmas revenue as well as revenue from other sources. I highly doubt that ,as many christians will be so angry at them including other religions in their holiday greetings that they won't buy any products there as opposed to if they only included chsitianity and christmas in their stores. Happy Holidays include christmas. This whole argument is like a child yelling at their parent "But I want it my way!" and the parent responding "No honey we need to include everyone or else it just won't be fair."

LJS9502_basic

It doesn't really matter to me. Let people call it whatever they want. Any argument over something so trivial.. is beyond me.. but then again most people like to fight over stupid stuff.

when are Christians going to stop playing the victim?

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

There are other holidays that give gifts at this time as well. The Holiday season is the biggest selling season of the year. The biggest day of sales of the year is actually boxing day. They need the christmas revenue as well as revenue from other sources. I highly doubt that ,as many christians will be so angry at them including other religions in their holiday greetings that they won't buy any products there as opposed to if they only included chsitianity and christmas in their stores. Happy Holidays include christmas. This whole argument is like a child yelling at their parent "But I want it my way!" and the parent responding "No honey we need to include everyone or else it just won't be fair."

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[The results are not guaranteed that's for sure.

I found the mention of numbers to be misleading without actually seeing what percentage (if it can be measured) should be taken into consideration, in stead of just throwing it out there that Christians are more in numbers.

No intention was changed. Just a point was made clearer.

LJS9502_basic

Religion in the U.S. vs. the World:

United StatesWorld

Christian83%33

No religion1315

All non-Christian religions452

But hey if you think I am capable of twisting things you didnt even say, that must count for something.... >___>

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yeah...but let's say those celebrating Christmas stopped purchasing in your store. How successful would your season be?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Not very. That's why they are includign christmas in their store with Christmas trees and nativity scenes and jingle bells and many have bibles and so on and so on. They aren't trying to alienate christians. They are trying to welcoem them while at the same time welcoming others so we can all be just one big merry whole.

BumFluff122

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No I said what if they did. You can't say it wouldn't effect the sales because it would.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Why would it? Stores have been saying Happy Holidays as opposed to Merry Christmas for a coupel decades now. At least where I live they have been. Maybe the US is finally catching up to the rest of the world :P

BumFluff122

I'll just say happy solstice, because that's what was originally celebrated before the church came in to convert the pagans.taoistextremist

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't know what they say. I don't pay attention. I hate shopping. I get it over with quick. And my comment was that IF they got offended en masse it would have more of an effect on their profits. Not that they do. Which many people in this thread haven't understood. Note...I was not directing that to you.

LJS9502_basic

I personally celebrate Christmas, but only as a tradition with my family, as I am not religious. However it is wrong to punish retailers who are sensitive to those who do not celebrate it. That's religious intolerance.

I have yet to figure out why one is offended by Happy Holidays. Can someone enlighten me?

Otherwise I have to assume it's an "But I want to be the center of attention! I don't want to be clumped together with those lesser religions! I'm the best!"

has FOX News started their "War on Christmas" stuff yet? That is always funny to watch

[QUOTE="MistressMinako"]I don't see why people even argue about the Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays thing. There is actually a few holidays going on around Christmas, or in the same month at least. Like Kwanzaa. There's also Hanukkah. Christmas is not the only holiday in December. :? Well, not in the states, not sure if those two holidays are celebrated worldwide.Jemdude

The problem is that over 95% of people celebrate Christmas and these same people represent the majority of the customers the stores get. So it doesn't make sense to try to turn Christmas into some kind of generic winter holiday with the "happy holidays" theme.

Except for the people who celebrate Hanukkah, Kwanzaa and Festivus.

I have yet to figure out why one is offended by Happy Holidays. Can someone enlighten me?

Otherwise I have to assume it's an "But I want to be the center of attention! I don't want to be clumped together with those lesser religions! I'm the best!"

Pixel-Pirate

Many people see the use of "happy holidays" as one of many ways that some are using to silence any reference to Christianity in the public square.

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I have yet to figure out why one is offended by Happy Holidays. Can someone enlighten me?

Otherwise I have to assume it's an "But I want to be the center of attention! I don't want to be clumped together with those lesser religions! I'm the best!"

Jemdude

Many people see the use of "happy holidays" as one of many ways that some are using to silence any reference to Christianity in the public square.

Dude... "Happy Holidays" is just a general term for all holidays... it includes Christmas. It's not meant to replace Christmas, but to acknowledge the other holidays that occur around the same time. :|

Since I'm a bit accustom to saying Merry Christmas, I would say that but I would prefer to start saying happy holidays considering the different religions that celebrate and call it a different a different name....tocool340

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[QUOTE="MistressMinako"]I don't see why people even argue about the Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays thing. There is actually a few holidays going on around Christmas, or in the same month at least. Like Kwanzaa. There's also Hanukkah. Christmas is not the only holiday in December. :? Well, not in the states, not sure if those two holidays are celebrated worldwide.Pixel-Pirate

The problem is that over 95% of people celebrate Christmas and these same people represent the majority of the customers the stores get. So it doesn't make sense to try to turn Christmas into some kind of generic winter holiday with the "happy holidays" theme.

I celebrate Christmas as a gift giving holiday, not as a christian holiday as I am not christian. I am totally fine with a store saying "Merry Christmas" as long as they also say Happy Hannuikah, Happy Kwanza, Solstace, etc etc etc and every other winter holiday. Saying Happy Holidays works too since it blankets numerous holidays instead of just one. Heres a question for you, would you be okay if the store didn't say either and just said "Happy Hannikuah" instead? I have a feeling christians would still be upset.

Dude... "Happy Holidays" is just a general term for all holidays... it includes Christmas. It's not meant to replace Christmas, but to acknowledge the other holidays that occur around the same time. :|

chessmaster1989

Most people celebrate Christmas. The majority of people that the stores are making profit from are from people celebrating Christmas. If any of us were to go to a foreign country where the dominate holiday was something else, they would not try to be "inclusive". I don't see why we have to be.

Even the poll here and elsewhere have many more people prefering Merry Christmas over "happy holidays".

Why are people taking offense to "Happy Holidays"? Those people need comprehension lessons :Psmc91352

[QUOTE="smc91352"]Why are people taking offense to "Happy Holidays"? Those people need comprehension lessons :PLJS9502_basic

This is just stupid. The Christians have no right to impose their beliefs on everyone, which is exactly what they are doing by boycotting retailers. They have to realize that "hey, there are other major ethnicities that want to be represented". They can go on saying "Merry Christmas" and I couldn't care less. But they have to think of the people who don't celebrate Christmas. They'll be offended by "Merry Christmas", so this is a comprimise.

Christians aren't at a 95% anymore... they're at an 82% and that is slowly dwindling. In Canada, it's even less than that.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I have yet to figure out why one is offended by Happy Holidays. Can someone enlighten me?

Otherwise I have to assume it's an "But I want to be the center of attention! I don't want to be clumped together with those lesser religions! I'm the best!"

Jemdude

Many people see the use of "happy holidays" as one of many ways that some are using to silence any reference to Christianity in the public square.

I don't see why christianity needs to be in the public square. It seems to be the only religion that needs to constantly be in the spot light. Bit of a ham.