It is Merry Christmas! (not happy holidays)

I insulted you with a picture from "icanhazcheeseburger"? Just a tad sensitive, no? Sorry about that.

Don't throw around "ifs" because "ifs" aren't facts. I'll re-iterate because it seems you may have missed what I was trying to say; even if, like you stated, Hannukah was as commercialized as Christmas, the average Jewish child would NOT get the same amount of gifts each day that the average Christian child would get on Christmas day. It's just simple logic.

DRAGONPIECEZ

[QUOTE="snowman6251"]And Christmas really isn't a religious Holiday anymore since its been so commercialized. I know I never thought "thanks Jesus" at any point in my life during Christmas, only "I HOPE I GET THE RED POWER RANGER OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG". The holiday has virtually no ties to religion anymore, at least ones that anyone takes seriously, minus of course the super radical religious nuts.BumFluff122

[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

I insulted you with a picture from "icanhazcheeseburger"? Just a tad sensitive, no? Sorry about that.

Don't throw around "ifs" because "ifs" aren't facts. I'll re-iterate because it seems you may have missed what I was trying to say; even if, like you stated, Hannukah was as commercialized as Christmas, the average Jewish child would NOT get the same amount of gifts each day that the average Christian child would get on Christmas day. It's just simple logic.

BumFluff122

It's a reference from the movie "Back to the Future"...

Ughh I knew you were going to say that... I said "Even if"..."EVEN if"..."Even if, LIKE YOU STATED,"...the "if" statement I used was referencing yours. It was used as an argument enhancer...EXAMPLE: "Even if (insert your baseless argument here) was correct, (insert statement here where I debunk your hypothesis). I consider your argument as fact to better credit my argument, but my argument hold so much more water than yours, that EVEN IF your "IF" statement was correct, your overall argument is wrong. It makes your argument sound more futile....My "EVEN if" was hypothetical...Your "if" was stated as a fact...They are different "ifs".Sorry, Idon't know how to explain it better than that because I've never had to before. It's simple reading comprehension skills, read it over again if you aren't picking up the difference between our "ifs"......My goodness I can't believe I had to explain that...

And no it's an economical fact. Let's say the average Christian gets 25 presents for Christmas. You're saying that the average Jewish kid gets 25 presents for 8 days. You're saying the average Jewish kid gets 200 gifts for Hannukah. Stop being so stubborn. I mean, even if, like you said, Hannukah gets marketed more,.....wait let me not confuse anyone again

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="snowman6251"]And Christmas really isn't a religious Holiday anymore since its been so commercialized. I know I never thought "thanks Jesus" at any point in my life during Christmas, only "I HOPE I GET THE RED POWER RANGER OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG". The holiday has virtually no ties to religion anymore, at least ones that anyone takes seriously, minus of course the super radical religious nuts.snowman6251

It's a reference from the movie "Back to the Future"...

Ughh I knew you were going to say that... I said "Even if"..."EVEN if"..."Even if, LIKE YOU STATED,"...the "if" statement I used was referencing yours. It was used as an argument enhancer...EXAMPLE: "Even if (insert your baseless argument here) was correct, (insert statement here where I debunk your hypothesis). I consider your argument as fact to better credit my argument, but my argument hold so much more water than yours, that EVEN IF your "IF" statement was correct, your overall argument is wrong. It makes your argument sound more futile....My "EVEN if" was hypothetical...Your "if" was stated as a fact...They are different "ifs".Sorry, Idon't know how to explain it better than that because I've never had to before. It's simple reading comprehension skills, read it over again if you aren't picking up the difference between our "ifs"......My goodness I can't believe I had to explain that...

And no it's an economical fact. Let's say the average Christian gets 25 presents for Christmas. You're saying that the average Jewish kid gets 25 presents for 8 days. You're saying the average Jewish kid gets 200 gifts for Hannukah. Stop being so stubborn. I mean, even if, like you said, Hannukah gets marketed more,.....wait let me not confuse anyone again

DRAGONPIECEZ

[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

It's a reference from the movie "Back to the Future"...

Ughh I knew you were going to say that... I said "Even if"..."EVEN if"..."Even if, LIKE YOU STATED,"...the "if" statement I used was referencing yours. It was used as an argument enhancer...EXAMPLE: "Even if (insert your baseless argument here) was correct, (insert statement here where I debunk your hypothesis). I consider your argument as fact to better credit my argument, but my argument hold so much more water than yours, that EVEN IF your "IF" statement was correct, your overall argument is wrong. It makes your argument sound more futile....My "EVEN if" was hypothetical...Your "if" was stated as a fact...They are different "ifs".Sorry, Idon't know how to explain it better than that because I've never had to before. It's simple reading comprehension skills, read it over again if you aren't picking up the difference between our "ifs"......My goodness I can't believe I had to explain that...

And no it's an economical fact. Let's say the average Christian gets 25 presents for Christmas. You're saying that the average Jewish kid gets 25 presents for 8 days. You're saying the average Jewish kid gets 200 gifts for Hannukah. Stop being so stubborn. I mean, even if, like you said, Hannukah gets marketed more,.....wait let me not confuse anyone again

BumFluff122

"Hanakuh has 12 days of gifts does it not? Seems far better than Christmas's measly 1 gift day."

First of all, I'm pretty sure Hannukah has 8 days. And what you said in the quote above doesn't correlate to the last thing you said. In the quote you said Hannukah seems "FAR BETTER" than Christmases "MEASLY" 1 gift day. In the context of the above quote, you're implying that on each day of Hannukah, (or even overall), a Jewish boy will get much much more than a boy who only celebrates the "measly" 1 day Christmas. But in your last statement, you say the difference between what a kid gets on Christmas to what a kid could get on Hannukah is only 1? The difference of ONE gift is hardly "FAR BETTER" and doesn't make the gift giving of Christmas "MEASLY"...You're trying tocover up the short-coming of your first post. I agree with your last post where you narrowed down the margain, but your first and last posts do not relate so don't try to cover it up.

"Hanakuh has 12 days of gifts does it not? Seems far better than Christmas's measly 1 gift day."

First of all, I'm pretty sure Hannukah has 8 days. And what you said in the quote above doesn't correlate to the last thing you said. In the quote you said Hannukah seems "FAR BETTER" than Christmases "MEASLY" 1 gift day. In the context of the above quote, you're implying that on each day of Hannukah, (or even overall), a Jewish boy will get much much more than a boy who only celebrates the "measly" 1 day Christmas. But in your last statement, you say the difference between what a kid gets on Christmas to what a kid could get on Hannukah is only 1? The difference of ONE gift is hardly "FAR BETTER" and doesn't make the gift giving of Christmas "MEASLY"...You're trying tocover up the short-coming of your first post. I agree with your last post where you narrowed down the margain, but your first and last posts do not relate so don't try to cover it up.

DRAGONPIECEZ

Just another case of christians forcing themselves upon everyone else...

[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

"Hanakuh has 12 days of gifts does it not? Seems far better than Christmas's measly 1 gift day."

First of all, I'm pretty sure Hannukah has 8 days. And what you said in the quote above doesn't correlate to the last thing you said. In the quote you said Hannukah seems "FAR BETTER" than Christmases "MEASLY" 1 gift day. In the context of the above quote, you're implying that on each day of Hannukah, (or even overall), a Jewish boy will get much much more than a boy who only celebrates the "measly" 1 day Christmas. But in your last statement, you say the difference between what a kid gets on Christmas to what a kid could get on Hannukah is only 1? The difference of ONE gift is hardly "FAR BETTER" and doesn't make the gift giving of Christmas "MEASLY"...You're trying tocover up the short-coming of your first post. I agree with your last post where you narrowed down the margain, but your first and last posts do not relate so don't try to cover it up.

BumFluff122

I know you corrected yourself, that's why I told you that I agreed with your later statements. Next time try to make your initial statement a little more clear that way no thoughts get misconstrued. Glad this ended up as a simple mis-communication so this argument can finally end.

I know you corrected yourself, that's why I told you that I agreed with your later statements. Next time try to make your initial statement a little more clear that way no thoughts get misconstrued. Glad this ended up as a simple mis-communication so this argument can finally end.

DRAGONPIECEZ

[QUOTE="DRAGONPIECEZ"]

I know you corrected yourself, that's why I told you that I agreed with your later statements. Next time try to make your initial statement a little more clear that way no thoughts get misconstrued. Glad this ended up as a simple mis-communication so this argument can finally end.

BumFluff122

Yes, you too!

These groups are too sensitive. Stores do this because they know "Happy Holidays" is perfectly neutral, and can happily apply to practicing Christians, non-practicing Christians, athiests who celebrate Christmas, Jews who celebrate Hannukah, African Americans who celebrate Kwanzaa, or even people who celebrate nothing, but will probably get a few days off because the vast majority of businesses give their employees the time off. Essentially, these groups are claiming a right to recognition greater than any other, which seems silly to me. Happy Holidays is neutral and universal, why must they be given special treatment.Danm_999

The problem is that people celebrating the other holidays are a minority. The majority of people celebrate Christmas and this same majority represent the majority of the store's customers.

Santa Claus as we know him was created by Coca-Cola if that tells you about Christmas in the modern age. It's a prime time for boosting the economy and suicide rate, but a fun time for over-indulgence and - for me - getting back and seeing my family in the UK. I can see why people are keen to tone down the commerciality of Christmas mind you, although regardless of the Pagan/Christian origin and personal religion, lets at least drink/get smashed, be merry and sing jingle bloody bells.

People who worry about others being offended by the construct of Christmas should reserve their energy for far more important issues such as the resurgence of famine in Africa and global warming - getting caught up in such trivial matters is quite pathetic.

All the advertisers and retailers will look up and shout "Happy Holidays!"... and I will look down and whisper.. "Merry Christmas!"

I don't celebrate Christmas, but I actually find it annoying that other people get offended by the celebration of Christmas. To each his own. Live and let die.

There are holidays, and they are happy (except perhaps for those who get their knickers into a twist about what we call it). I don't see the problem. :P

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="starwarsjunky"]the reason they're angry is that they're taking christ out of the holiday, which is why we have the holiday in the first place. so they deserve to be angry.starwarsjunky

"Merry Christmas" is the only term I use.

i say merry christmas

to me saying Happy Holidays makes it seem kinda dull

It's called Yuletide :roll:

merry xmas.

War on Christmas is starting again? Damn Santa, and his army of evil midgets.

All the advertisers and retailers will look up and shout "Happy Holidays!"... and I will look down and whisper.. "Merry Christmas!"

Superironic

Actually it "began" as a pagan festival that was appropriated by Christians, same with Easter.Asthma_Is_Sexy

Merry Christmas...and I'm not Christian.

I consider myself to be agnostic and yet I still strongly believe that "Merry Christmas" should not be censored.

[QUOTE="Asthma_Is_Sexy"]Actually it "began" as a pagan festival that was appropriated by Christians, same with Easter.LJS9502_basic

so what you saying is, he wasnt just close, he was absolutely correct...it began as a pagan festival and then christians took it and changed it to be representitive of their religion...which is what he and you both said

Merry Christmas is much more original. Every other holiday says "Happy _____" We need a Merry!Silenthps

Christmas Day is my birthday. I'd celebrate it regardless. :DAirGuitarist87

I myself would settle for Merry Christmahannukwanza though.

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[QUOTE="Asthma_Is_Sexy"]Actually it "began" as a pagan festival that was appropriated by Christians, same with Easter.Dr_Manfattan

so what you saying is, he wasnt just close, he was absolutely correct...it began as a pagan festival and then christians took it and changed it to be representitive of their religion...which is what he and you both said

Damn polictically correct, overlyprotctive, guys with nothing better to do. Its not killing anyon, no one ahs been offened before now, so just deal with it and move on. Theres like eigth other holidays [exaggerated] around the same time.//end rant.

People will find anything to b*tch about.

It's only a word!

But I say Merry Christmas, even though I'm not Christian.

all of you are still going off on tangents. The companies are doing it in order to sell more murchandise/ Nothing more. I would hope that if you owned yoru own business you woudl do exactly the same. Happy Holidays doesn't take away from anyone except for diehard Christians such as the ones mentioend in the article. why are you all going off on the comnpanies and not these religiosu folk who are stating they won't shop at the stores anymore because they call it Happy Holidays and not Merry Christmas?

How about "Happy Pagan Winter Celebration"?

I am a devout hater of both religion and capitalism. I fail to see your argument.

How about "Happy Pagan Winter Celebration"?

Shad0ki11

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

How about "Happy Pagan Winter Celebration"?

smc91352

Heheh, I guess I mixed "Happy Holidays" in there without even realizing it. lol.