It is wrong that religion preys on children at an early age.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

We talking about religious indoctrination and you know that. Your just being difficult.

greenprince

You shouldn't teach your young child your opinions. Teaching them not to steal is not an opinion. Every person should be given a chance to form their own opinions. Obviously your behaviors will influence your child but telling your kid "there is a god" or "liberals are bad people" really isn't fair to your child.

So you can't see the difference between forcing your religion on your child and teaching them the consequences of stealing?

We are talking about religion not politics. There are very different. Your parents didn't tell you when you were little if you weren't a Liberal you would be tortured for all of eternity when you die. In fact, I bet your parents don't care if you are Conservative.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]

Almost 75% of the country is Christian. Where did this people all come from? Most were indoctrinated as children and stuck with the religion.

LJS9502_basic

Off to work....

But it's true for many of them.

Can you at least acknowledge that after 18 or so years of being raised in a Christian household, it is much harder to come to the conclusion that what you have believed your whole life is wrong? Like what has been said many times in this thread before, this country, as well as the rest of the world, is so strongly religious not because of personal, adult decisions, but because of child indoctrination.

Gamer556

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]

Almost 75% of the country is Christian. Where did this people all come from? Most were indoctrinated as children and stuck with the religion.

LJS9502_basic

Off to work....

Honestly, stop being so naive! Like you really don't see the prevalence of child indoctrination in society. You're not fooling anybody.

Who should decide what to teach a child and what not to teach a child? How is it a bad thing to teach a child about the ten commandments if they can decide whether they want to believe this or not later in life, they do have a choice.

Teaching them what it is like to have a religion is not worse than teaching them to be atheists. Going from atheist to believer is hard meaning that those that have been thought to be atheists have less of a choice.

[QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

We talking about religious indoctrination and you know that. Your just being difficult.

-Austin-

You shouldn't teach your young child your opinions. Teaching them not to steal is not an opinion. Every person should be given a chance to form their own opinions. Obviously your behaviors will influence your child but telling your kid "there is a god" or "liberals are bad people" really isn't fair to your child.

So you can't see the difference between forcing your religion on your child and teaching them the consequences of stealing?

We are talking about religion not politics. There are very different. Your parents didn't tell you when you were little if you weren't a Liberal you would be tortured for all of eternity when you die. In fact, I bet your parents don't care if you are Conservative.

I really do not see anything nefarious about teaching your child what you believe is right. What the hell else can you expect from a parent?CptJSparrow

Do you think it would be appropriate if your parents picked your wife? They believe they have found the perfect girl, so who can blame them?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I really do not see anything nefarious about teaching your child what you believe is right. What the hell else can you expect from a parent?Gamer556

Do you think it would be appropriate if your parents picked your wife? They believe they have found the perfect girl, so who can blame them?

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I really do not see anything nefarious about teaching your child what you believe is right. What the hell else can you expect from a parent?CptJSparrow

Do you think it would be appropriate if your parents picked your wife? They believe they have found the perfect girl, so who can blame them?

Yes, you could choose to later on get a divorce, but that's beyond the point. A marriage, much like religion, is a personal choice that should conform to your liking, not someone elses.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I really do not see anything nefarious about teaching your child what you believe is right. What the hell else can you expect from a parent?Gamer556

Do you think it would be appropriate if your parents picked your wife? They believe they have found the perfect girl, so who can blame them?

Yes, you could choose to later on get a divorce, but that's beyond the point. A marriage, much like religion, is a personal choice that should conform to your liking, not someone elses.

Of course, when people pick religion, it must be because they were indoctrinated and had no choice.:roll:

Circular reasoning and double standards combined with begging the question = your argument.

I really do not see anything nefarious about teaching your child what you believe is right. What the hell else can you expect from a parent?CptJSparrow

I sense a lot of rosie-spectacled views on Religious indoctrination in this thread.

Or maybe the religious people here had open-minded parents. Still to say it doesn't exist is ridiculous

I'm sure the TC was referring to the fear aspect of "teaching" your kids about religion. No?

[QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I really do not see anything nefarious about teaching your child what you believe is right. What the hell else can you expect from a parent?Theokhoth

Do you think it would be appropriate if your parents picked your wife? They believe they have found the perfect girl, so who can blame them?

Yes, you could choose to later on get a divorce, but that's beyond the point. A marriage, much like religion, is a personal choice that should conform to your liking, not someone elses.

Of course, when people pick religion, it must be because they were indoctrinated and had no choice.:roll:

Circular reasoning and double standards combined with begging the question = your argument.

Your sarcasm would be a lot wittier if it weren't almost true. Most people believe in religious beliefs because that's how they were born and bred, not because they made the choice as a responsible adult. Sure, they are capable of changing their beliefs, but most do not. By the numbers, child indoctrination works.

Your sarcasm would be a lot wittier if it weren't almost true. Most people believe in religious beliefs because that's how they were born and bred, not because they made the choice as a responsible adult. Sure, they are capable of changing their beliefs, but most do not. By the numbers, child indoctrination works.

Gamer556

Let me give you your argument in a nutshell:

There are a lot of religious people.

Therefore they were indoctrinated and had no choice in their beliefs.

That is your argument.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I really do not see anything nefarious about teaching your child what you believe is right. What the hell else can you expect from a parent?Gamer556

Do you think it would be appropriate if your parents picked your wife? They believe they have found the perfect girl, so who can blame them?

Yes, you could choose to later on get a divorce, but that's beyond the point. A marriage, much like religion, is a personal choice that should conform to your liking, not someone elses.

Hey, everybody! Teaching your child values of any kind is wrong! You should let the children decide their own values! Nevermind they aren't even fully aware of what "values" are; they should be able to decide!

Are you teaching your child that stealing is wrong? Well that's bad! Let him decide if stealing is wrong!

The TC is just mad because people don't indoctrinate children the way he wants them to. Everybody "indoctrinates" their children in some form or another, whether it's in the area of politics or law or morals or religion.

The opening post is full of empty statements and broad generalizations based on "it's a fact." You also need to show how "indoctrination" is wrong in the first place, rather than play circular reasoning and go "it's wrong because it's wrong."

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

Your sarcasm would be a lot wittier if it weren't almost true. Most people believe in religious beliefs because that's how they were born and bred, not because they made the choice as a responsible adult. Sure, they are capable of changing their beliefs, but most do not. By the numbers, child indoctrination works.

Theokhoth

Let me give you your argument in a nutshell:

There are a lot of religious people.

Therefore they were indoctrinated and had no choice in their beliefs.

That is your argument.

Once again you're playing the clueless card and acting like you have no idea how widespread indoctrination is. When you consider that our nation is about 80% Christian, it is pretty evident that our beliefs are circumstantial. It is borderline impossible that 80% of the people chose to believe in relatively the same supernatural beliefs by nothing more than personal choice. To act like indoctrination isn't the root of such a staggering number is simply being naive.

Hey, everybody! Teaching your child values of any kind is wrong! You should let the children decide their own values! Nevermind they aren't even fully aware of what "values" are; they should be able to decide!Theokhoth

I have no problem with kids being raised into a religion just as long as it doesn't make them closed-minded as time goes on.

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

I was raised a Catholic. I didn't have to be confirmed at 8, but my school and church kind of set that up as the ceremonial age. Most kids I knew were confirmed at that time, so I was as well.

LJS9502_basic

Hey, everybody! Teaching your child values of any kind is wrong! You should let the children decide their own values! Nevermind they aren't even fully aware of what "values" are; they should be able to decide!

Are you teaching your child that stealing is wrong? Well that's bad! Let him decide if stealing is wrong!

The TC is just mad because people don't indoctrinate children the way he wants them to. Everybody "indoctrinates" their children in some form or another, whether it's in the area of politics or law or morals or religion.

The opening post is full of empty statements and broad generalizations based on "it's a fact." You also need to show how "indoctrination" is wrong in the first place, rather than play circular reasoning and go "it's wrong because it's wrong."

Theokhoth

I agree with this dude.

I can already tell this thread is going to make people angry. I do believe raising a child on religious (and even political) values is wrong. Children believe anything they are told and if it's reinforced enough at a young age, they'll stick with it. It's also funny so many people using logical fallacies to combat your argument. But I guess some parents taught some Gamespotters that moral values, religious values, and toilet training are all identical. :roll:GodLovesDead

Pretty much sums up what I've been trying to say.

In a world of advanced science, there is reason why religion is so prevalent, and it is because of this immoral practice of child indoctrination.

Gamer556

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

In a world of advanced science, there is reason why religion is so prevalent, and it is because of this immoral practice of child indoctrination.

Cube_of_MooN

Advanced science doesn't prove religion wrong, but I'm assuming he means that with advanced science there is no reason to need religion to explain things that have already been explained by science.

[QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

In a world of advanced science, there is reason why religion is so prevalent, and it is because of this immoral practice of child indoctrination.

GodLovesDead

Advanced science doesn't prove religion wrong, but I'm assuming he means that with advanced science there is no reason to need religion to explain things that have already been explained by science.

I don't see how it's any different that kids are being taught that science disproves religion.TheRealMC01

Kids learn science for the same reasons they learn writing and mathematics. It is simply part of an education.

Science =/= Religion

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"][QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

In a world of advanced science, there is reason why religion is so prevalent, and it is because of this immoral practice of child indoctrination.

Cube_of_MooN

Advanced science doesn't prove religion wrong, but I'm assuming he means that with advanced science there is no reason to need religion to explain things that have already been explained by science.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, science gives us a lot of reasons to doubt certain aspects of religion, and you would expect that to show in an increasingly less religious population. However, religion is chugging along just as strong as ever. I believe the cause of its continued strength is child indoctrination. When you teach religion at a young age, when the person is most vulnerable to gullibility, it tends to stick.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The opening post is full of empty statements and broad generalizations based on "it's a fact." You also need to show how "indoctrination" is wrong in the first place, rather than play circular reasoning and go "it's wrong because it's wrong."

dracula_16

Indoctrination is brain washing. If someone fills their child's head with images of Satan and hell fire then that's child abuse. We're specifically talking about religious indoctrination-- not stealing or any other things like that. Don't get we wrong, forcing your kid to be an agnostic or atheist is also wrong.

Then what are you supposed to do, let them be apathetic about that? That's the one thing I cannot stand is people who don't give a damn about the entire concept. Atheists and Agnostics are people I can understand, same thing with devout Jews or Muslims, etc., but it's those idiots who have let themselves slip into indifference about the ultimate questions of existence that piss me off.

I really do not see anything nefarious about teaching your child what you believe is right. What the hell else can you expect from a parent?CptJSparrow

what if they're wrong? are terrorists excused because they believe 100% that what they are doing is the right thing? ignorance is not an excuse!

This is probably the stupidest and most blatant bash thread I've seen here.

If I was to teach my kid to play soccer from the moment he could walk, teaching him to finetune his dribbling, striking and passing techniques, and having him read chapters from Roy Keane's book, it'd still be up to him to choose whether or not he decided to actually play at all. Just because I've trained him in it his whole life does not mean he is going to make it his life's focus when he can make his own decisions.

Religion does not "prey" on children any more than any parentally trained facet does. A wide eyed child will eventually grow into a thinking adult, who will be forced to stand on their own two feet. Even having been raised in a Christian family I am yet to see the person who is a Christian simply because their parents told them to.

To label it as "preying" on a child is just flat out ignorant - bashing a parent for having enough conviction to teach their child what they believe is right.

This is probably the stupidest and most blatant bash thread I've seen here.

If I was to teach my kid to play soccer from the moment he could walk, teaching him to finetune his dribbling, striking and passing techniques, and having him read chapters from Roy Keane's book, it'd still be up to him to choose whether or not he decided to actually play at all. Just because I've trained him in it his whole life does not mean he is going to make it his life's focus when he can make his own decisions.

Religion does not "prey" on children any more than any parentally trained facet does. A wide eyed child will eventually grow into a thinking adult, who will be forced to stand on their own two feet. Even having been raised in a Christian family I am yet to see the person who is a Christian simply because their parents told them to.

To label it as "preying" on a child is just flat out ignorant - bashing a parent for having enough conviction to teach their child what they believe is right.

D3nnyCrane

Being taught a casual understanding of soccer is not the same as being taught to worship a God and believe in miracles.

I think the child SHOULD be raised the same religion becuz it brings unity to the family.The_Nintendawg

[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

This is probably the stupidest and most blatant bash thread I've seen here.

If I was to teach my kid to play soccer from the moment he could walk, teaching him to finetune his dribbling, striking and passing techniques, and having him read chapters from Roy Keane's book, it'd still be up to him to choose whether or not he decided to actually play at all. Just because I've trained him in it his whole life does not mean he is going to make it his life's focus when he can make his own decisions.

Religion does not "prey" on children any more than any parentally trained facet does. A wide eyed child will eventually grow into a thinking adult, who will be forced to stand on their own two feet. Even having been raised in a Christian family I am yet to see the person who is a Christian simply because their parents told them to.

To label it as "preying" on a child is just flat out ignorant - bashing a parent for having enough conviction to teach their child what they believe is right.

Gamer556

Being taught a casual understanding of soccer is not the same as being taught to worship a God and believe in miracles.

The child isn't forced to believe in anything, miracles or the concept of God. Parents introduce them to such a concept but sooner or later that child gets to choose to believe or not. This is the same concept of soccer, despite being taught how to play soccer, the child still gets to CHOOSE.greenprince

So what exactly are you supposed to teach your children? Are you supposed to tell them that religion may or may not be true? The supernatural may or may not be true? Are you saying you'd also teach your children with completely unbiased views welcoming every view even ones you detest?

As for me, I will raise my children in the church and will show them how to live a life that pleases God. Whether they seek to live that life later in life is their own decision.

[QUOTE="greenprince"]The child isn't forced to believe in anything, miracles or the concept of God. Parents introduce them to such a concept but sooner or later that child gets to choose to believe or not. This is the same concept of soccer, despite being taught how to play soccer, the child still gets to CHOOSE.foxhound_fox

Almost every religious person in the world believes what they do because they were taught to as a child. This is not a generalization. This is a fact. I know there are exceptions, and I'm sure there are some on this very forum, but don't pretend like child indoctrination isn't used excessively around the world.

So I ask you, why is this acceptable? In today's society, it would not be acceptable for me to pick my child's spouse, his political party, or his future career choices. These are decisions we generally leave our children to make for when they are responsible enough to do so. However, it is acceptable for us to pick the religion they will likely follow for the rest of their lives. Shouldn't a choice this important be left up to the individual? Shouldn't they have to the right to decide for themselve what religious path they will follow, or if they will even be religious at all? By pressuring beliefs on our children at a young age, we are robbing them of this choice. And please, don't give me that crap about "Well they can choose to believe something else when they're older." We all know that after an entire childhood of being raised to be follow a certain religion, it can be difficult to change your beliefs later on in life. In a world of advanced science, there is reason why religion is so prevalent, and it is because of this immoral practice of child indoctrination.

Gamer556

because kids that grow up in a religious house grow up bad and become terrible people.

they can change it when they are older anyways

So what exactly are you supposed to teach your children? Are you supposed to tell them that religion may or may not be true? The supernatural may or may not be true? Are you saying you'd also teach your children with completely unbiased views welcoming every view even ones you detest?

As for me, I will raise my children in the church and will show them how to live a life that pleases God. Whether they seek to live that life later in life is their own decision.

mindstorm

this.

[QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"]

This is probably the stupidest and most blatant bash thread I've seen here.

If I was to teach my kid to play soccer from the moment he could walk, teaching him to finetune his dribbling, striking and passing techniques, and having him read chapters from Roy Keane's book, it'd still be up to him to choose whether or not he decided to actually play at all. Just because I've trained him in it his whole life does not mean he is going to make it his life's focus when he can make his own decisions.

Religion does not "prey" on children any more than any parentally trained facet does. A wide eyed child will eventually grow into a thinking adult, who will be forced to stand on their own two feet. Even having been raised in a Christian family I am yet to see the person who is a Christian simply because their parents told them to.

To label it as "preying" on a child is just flat out ignorant - bashing a parent for having enough conviction to teach their child what they believe is right.

greenprince

Being taught a casual understanding of soccer is not the same as being taught to worship a God and believe in miracles.

In most families, soccer is not ritualistic. They don't read the soccer bible, they don't pray to soccer before meals, they don't send their kids to soccer school, and they don't go to soccer church on Sundays. Soccer indoctrination is not very intense, and therefore this analogy falls short.

And about a person's ability to choose. Yes, even if you are raised in Christian family, you can still choose not to be a Christian (as I did). However, with a bias already planted from a young age, it's a choice most will never make.

[QUOTE="Thiago26792"]That's why confirmation exists in Christianism. I don't know about other religions.AtrumRegina

Well your still to young for that. I got confirmed when I was 13 ...what did I know then about other religions ? Not too much . I was still a child and they told me confirmation is just something I had to do. Anyway you can change your religion at any time unless you are muslim.

wrong

[QUOTE="Thiago26792"]That's why confirmation exists in Christianism. I don't know about other religions.AtrumRegina

Well your still to young for that. I got confirmed when I was 13 ...what did I know then about other religions ? Not too much . I was still a child and they told me confirmation is just something I had to do. Anyway you can change your religion at any time unless you are muslim.

wrong