It's 9/11... how many of you are conspiracy theorists?

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#1 BMD004
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C'mon.. speak up. I want to hear why you believe what you believe.

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Its not a conspiracy to me, but there are some things that dont add up....

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9/11 conspiracy theories are no more valid or less ridiculous than moon-landing conspiracies or Holocaust-denial.
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Its not a conspiracy to me, but there are some things that dont add up....

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Like what?
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9/11 conspiracy theories are no more valid or less ridiculous than moon-landing conspiracies or Holocaust-denial.Theokhoth
This is one thing I actually agree with you about!
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9/11 conspiracy theories are no more valid or less ridiculous than moon-landing conspiracies or Holocaust-denial.Theokhoth
See one of the things that dont add up is why the FBI confiscated every video camera tapes (minutes after the crash) that had the plane hitting the pentagon and none of the tapes were ever released

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If I'm going to obsess over anything, it's going to be Olivia Wild.

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I do not know why it is so hard for people to grasp the idea that the government can get access to such a thing as planting some weird explosives in WTC. Seeing what the Israeli defense force is capable of makes this thing a walk in the park to be honest. I'm not saying this is what happened, but its a possibility at least.
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It makes more sense to me what the people who were actually there and in the building say than what the authority states as the "truth"

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I know this sounds like BS but: [spoiler] People here believe that all Jews took 9/11 of 2001 off [/spoiler]
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I do not know why it is so hard for people to grasp the idea that the government can get access to such a thing as planting some weird explosives in WTC. Seeing what the Israeli defense force is capable of makes this thing a walk in the park to be honest. I'm not saying this is what happened, but its a possibility at least.GazaAli
Where would they plant explosives? Next to John Doe's desk in the WTC? Do you even know how much work and planning goes into a controlled demolition? It's not something you can just do "under wraps". It's really not even a possibility.
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I do not know why it is so hard for people to grasp the idea that the government can get access to such a thing as planting some weird explosives in WTC. Seeing what the Israeli defense force is capable of makes this thing a walk in the park to be honest. I'm not saying this is what happened, but its a possibility at least.GazaAli
It's a possibilty, sure. However, the evidence has not indicated so, and therefore the chances of this being a conspiracy is low.
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Controlled demolition

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]9/11 conspiracy theories are no more valid or less ridiculous than moon-landing conspiracies or Holocaust-denial.DroidPhysX

See one of the things that dont add up is why the FBI confiscated every video camera tapes (minutes after the crash) that had the plane hitting the pentagon and none of the tapes were ever released

I remember video of a plane hitting the Pentagon...
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I do not know why it is so hard for people to grasp the idea that the government can get access to such a thing as planting some weird explosives in WTC. Seeing what the Israeli defense force is capable of makes this thing a walk in the park to be honest. I'm not saying this is what happened, but its a possibility at least.l4dak47
It's a possibilty, sure. However, the evidence has not indicated so, and therefore the chances of this being a conspiracy is low.

I agree. @BMD004 you really need to grasp the amount of intel and resources governments agents have in places like the US and Israel.
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9/11 conspiracy theories are no more valid or less ridiculous than moon-landing conspiracies or Holocaust-denial.Theokhoth
Agreed. The arguments that I've heard for it are, by and large, completely ridiculous.
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Controlled demolition

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We're all idiots... but the people who made Zeitigist know the truth!
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If I'm going to obsess over anything, it's going to be Olivia Wild.

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Olivia Wilde isn't real! It's a conspiracy! :o

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]9/11 conspiracy theories are no more valid or less ridiculous than moon-landing conspiracies or Holocaust-denial.DroidPhysX

See one of the things that dont add up is why the FBI confiscated every video camera tapes (minutes after the crash) that had the plane hitting the pentagon and none of the tapes were ever released

1. It is standard procedure in a federal investigation to seize all film involved. 2. They did release the footage.
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]I do not know why it is so hard for people to grasp the idea that the government can get access to such a thing as planting some weird explosives in WTC. Seeing what the Israeli defense force is capable of makes this thing a walk in the park to be honest. I'm not saying this is what happened, but its a possibility at least.GazaAli
It's a possibilty, sure. However, the evidence has not indicated so, and therefore the chances of this being a conspiracy is low.

I agree. @BMD004 you really need to grasp the amount of intel and resources governments agents have in places like the US and Israel.

What does that have to do with anything. And do you honestly think that A TON of people would be in on it? Who would be rigging charges on the WTC? A demolition company who has no regard for human life? Where do you find a group to do that? You can't just go up and ask if they would be interested in rigging charges in the WTC. Somebody would find it wrong and talk. It isn't something that is a small, select group of people that can keep things quiet. The amount of people required to pull something off of this scale is too great. Somebody would say something. We are human, and human's have big mouths.
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9/11 conspiracies go along with the assumption that G Dubya Bush was a damned genius.

But then, the Iraq War happened.
And then, Hurricane Katrina happened.
And then, economic recession happened.

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If I'm going to obsess over anything, it's going to be Olivia Wild.

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[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

Controlled demolition

BMD004

We're all idiots... but the people who made Zeitigist know the truth!

I can't argue against a single thing Zeitgeist says, it all makes perfect sense to me.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

Controlled demolition

ANlMOSITY

We're all idiots... but the people who made Zeitigist know the truth!

I can't argue against a single thing Zeitgeist says, it all makes perfect sense to me.

That's a problem on your part, not a virtue on Zeitgeist's.
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9/11 conspiracies go along with the assumption that G Dubya Bush was a damned genius.

But then, the Iraq War happened.
And then, Hurricane Katrina happened.
And then, economic recession happened.

Silverbond

Exactly. The same people who believe that 9/11 was a grand conspiracy also claim that GW Bush was a complete moron.

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[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

9/11 conspiracies go along with the assumption that G Dubya Bush was a damned genius.

But then, the Iraq War happened.
And then, Hurricane Katrina happened.
And then, economic recession happened.

BMD004

Exactly. The same people who believe that 9/11 was a grand conspiracy also claim that GW Bush was a complete moron.

Bush is a complete moron, he's literally almost retarded.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

9/11 conspiracies go along with the assumption that G Dubya Bush was a damned genius.

But then, the Iraq War happened.
And then, Hurricane Katrina happened.
And then, economic recession happened.

ANlMOSITY

Exactly. The same people who believe that 9/11 was a grand conspiracy also claim that GW Bush was a complete moron.

Bush is a complete moron, he's literally almost retarded.

His IQ is a little above 90.

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[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

If I'm going to obsess over anything, it's going to be Olivia Wild.

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Olivia Wilde isn't real! It's a conspiracy! :o

You shut your dirty trap :x

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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

9/11 conspiracies go along with the assumption that G Dubya Bush was a damned genius.

But then, the Iraq War happened.
And then, Hurricane Katrina happened.
And then, economic recession happened.

ANlMOSITY

Exactly. The same people who believe that 9/11 was a grand conspiracy also claim that GW Bush was a complete moron.

Bush is a complete moron, he's literally almost retarded.

But he was able to pull off 9/11? That makes perfect sense.

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[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] Exactly. The same people who believe that 9/11 was a grand conspiracy also claim that GW Bush was a complete moron.

Bush is a complete moron, he's literally almost retarded.

His IQ is a little above 90.

....Did you just reply to yourself in opposition?
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[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] Exactly. The same people who believe that 9/11 was a grand conspiracy also claim that GW Bush was a complete moron.

BMD004

Bush is a complete moron, he's literally almost retarded.

But he was able to pull off 9/11? That makes perfect sense.

It wasn't him, it was the people who run the major corporations that did it, Bush is just a pawn in this game.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] It's a possibilty, sure. However, the evidence has not indicated so, and therefore the chances of this being a conspiracy is low.

I agree. @BMD004 you really need to grasp the amount of intel and resources governments agents have in places like the US and Israel.

What does that have to do with anything. And do you honestly think that A TON of people would be in on it? Who would be rigging charges on the WTC? A demolition company who has no regard for human life? Where do you find a group to do that? You can't just go up and ask if they would be interested in rigging charges in the WTC. Somebody would find it wrong and talk. It isn't something that is a small, select group of people that can keep things quiet. The amount of people required to pull something off of this scale is too great. Somebody would say something. We are human, and human's have big mouths.

arghhh, I don't know how to put it right, but its not hard man. Intelligence agents are everywhere, the US government has way more advanced tech than the one that is known to the public. Military gadgets are too advanced. The government has access to the maps and structural designs of WTC. Advanced communications, Satellite footage...etc all of this do not make the idea of the government blowing WTC feasible? if not then I really do not know what to say. As for the morality of it, give me a break. Humans are capable of much worse things.
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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

Bush is a complete moron, he's literally almost retarded.

ANlMOSITY

But he was able to pull off 9/11? That makes perfect sense.

It wasn't him, it was the people who run the major corporations that did it, Bush is just a pawn in this game.

riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Those evil corporations.
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[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

Bush is a complete moron, he's literally almost retarded.

mattbbpl

His IQ is a little above 90.

....Did you just reply to yourself in opposition?

Nope, he is almost retarded. Having an IQ of 90 or below is mentally retarded

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[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] But he was able to pull off 9/11? That makes perfect sense.

BMD004

It wasn't him, it was the people who run the major corporations that did it, Bush is just a pawn in this game.

riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Those evil corporations.

Yupp

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] I agree. @BMD004 you really need to grasp the amount of intel and resources governments agents have in places like the US and Israel.

What does that have to do with anything. And do you honestly think that A TON of people would be in on it? Who would be rigging charges on the WTC? A demolition company who has no regard for human life? Where do you find a group to do that? You can't just go up and ask if they would be interested in rigging charges in the WTC. Somebody would find it wrong and talk. It isn't something that is a small, select group of people that can keep things quiet. The amount of people required to pull something off of this scale is too great. Somebody would say something. We are human, and human's have big mouths.

arghhh, I don't know how to put it right, but its not hard man. Intelligence agents are everywhere, the US government has way more advanced tech than the one that is known to the public. Military gadgets are too advanced. The government has access to the maps and structural designs of WTC. Advanced communications, Satellite footage...etc all of this do not make the idea of the government blowing WTC feasible? if not then I really do not know what to say. As for the morality of it, give me a break. Humans are capable of much worse things.

The government itself does not have access to all of that intelligence. It is the CIA. The CIA is an independent agency. And no, none of what you said would make that feasible. And as for the morality of it, yeah, a select group of people might have the same agenda. But for something of this scale to be pulled off, you need a LOT of people. And that is the thing about people - everybody is different. Somebody along the way would oppose something like, you know, killing 3,000 of their own people.
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I watched the debunking the 9/11 conspiracies show on History last night, and I kept seeing the "truthers" carrying signs that said:

Ask Questions. Demand Answers.

OK. Here are my questions and I demand straight answers from the "truthers".

In order for these conspiracies to have been pulled off, there had to be two groups of people. The first group I will call the Insiders. These are the people that knew what was being done and why. The second group I will call the Involved. These are the people that completed tasks before or during the attacks that were necessary for the plan to succeed, but who were not necessarily "in the know" as to why.

How many Insiders were there?

How many Involved were there?

How the hell have they kept all the Involved quiet?

Given the complexity and wide ranging nature of the theories, it seems to me that the Insider group had to number in the dozens and the Involved group may number in the hundreds. You might make the argument that the Insiders are true believers and will keep their mouths shut. But what about the Involved?

I guess what I am asking for is just one person that can testify that they were ordered or paid to perform some task that, at the time seemed either innocent or just odd, but after Sept 11 2001 it became obvious that they had been unknowingly involved.

The "truthers" have yet to come with a single scrap of det cord from the rubble. A single piece of a blasting cap. A single person that will testify that they did something before 9/11 that, at the end of the day on 9/11, they came to the realization that they were unwittingly involved.

One last thought: The same cabal of people being given credit for pulling off what has to be the most complex, wide ranging and successful conspiracy ever are the same buffoons that couldn't manage to plant WMDs in an active war zone to justify their decision to invade Iraq. Come on folks. How hard could that have been compared to 9/11?

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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

His IQ is a little above 90.

ANlMOSITY

....Did you just reply to yourself in opposition?

Nope, he is almost retarded. Having an IQ of 90 or below is mentally retarded

That's firmly in the realm of average intelligence.

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[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] ....Did you just reply to yourself in opposition?mattbbpl

Nope, he is almost retarded. Having an IQ of 90 or below is mentally retarded

That's firmly in the realm of average intelligence.

Ok, I am mistaken.

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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

His IQ is a little above 90.

ANlMOSITY

....Did you just reply to yourself in opposition?

Nope, he is almost retarded. Having an IQ of 90 or below is mentally retarded

That isn't true. It is 75. An IQ of 90 is actually considered a little below average.
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

Nope, he is almost retarded. Having an IQ of 90 or below is mentally retarded

ANlMOSITY

That's firmly in the realm of average intelligence.

Ok, I am mistaken.

You seem to be mistaken a lot...
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All the evidence point that it was in inside job.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="BMD004"] What does that have to do with anything. And do you honestly think that A TON of people would be in on it? Who would be rigging charges on the WTC? A demolition company who has no regard for human life? Where do you find a group to do that? You can't just go up and ask if they would be interested in rigging charges in the WTC. Somebody would find it wrong and talk. It isn't something that is a small, select group of people that can keep things quiet. The amount of people required to pull something off of this scale is too great. Somebody would say something. We are human, and human's have big mouths.

arghhh, I don't know how to put it right, but its not hard man. Intelligence agents are everywhere, the US government has way more advanced tech than the one that is known to the public. Military gadgets are too advanced. The government has access to the maps and structural designs of WTC. Advanced communications, Satellite footage...etc all of this do not make the idea of the government blowing WTC feasible? if not then I really do not know what to say. As for the morality of it, give me a break. Humans are capable of much worse things.

The government itself does not have access to all of that intelligence. It is the CIA. The CIA is an independent agency. And no, none of what you said would make that feasible. And as for the morality of it, yeah, a select group of people might have the same agenda. But for something of this scale to be pulled off, you need a LOT of people. And that is the thing about people - everybody is different. Somebody along the way would oppose something like, you know, killing 3,000 of their own people.

they used lots of people to build the bombs that were dropped on japan, not all of them knew what they were working on. its called compartmentalization. not saying the theories are true but it is entirely possible if people have limited knowledge of whats going on.
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#46 ANlMOSITY
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[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

That's firmly in the realm of average intelligence.

BMD004

Ok, I am mistaken.

You seem to be mistaken a lot...

Nope

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#47 ANlMOSITY
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All the evidence point that it was in inside job.

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#48 BMD004
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] arghhh, I don't know how to put it right, but its not hard man. Intelligence agents are everywhere, the US government has way more advanced tech than the one that is known to the public. Military gadgets are too advanced. The government has access to the maps and structural designs of WTC. Advanced communications, Satellite footage...etc all of this do not make the idea of the government blowing WTC feasible? if not then I really do not know what to say. As for the morality of it, give me a break. Humans are capable of much worse things.

The government itself does not have access to all of that intelligence. It is the CIA. The CIA is an independent agency. And no, none of what you said would make that feasible. And as for the morality of it, yeah, a select group of people might have the same agenda. But for something of this scale to be pulled off, you need a LOT of people. And that is the thing about people - everybody is different. Somebody along the way would oppose something like, you know, killing 3,000 of their own people.

they used lots of people to build the bombs that were dropped on japan, not all of them knew what they were working on. its called compartmentalization. not saying the theories are true but it is entirely possible if people have limited knowledge of whats going on.

Building something and rigging explosives in the twin towers is a bit different, wouldn't you say?
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#49 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

[QUOTE="Joker_268"]

All the evidence point that it was in inside job.

Yep

Well, I'm sold. The evidence you two have presented here - in combination with the fact-checking skills that ANIMOSITY has presented - leave me with no doubt that it truly was an inside job.
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#50 ANlMOSITY
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[QUOTE="ANlMOSITY"]

[QUOTE="Joker_268"]

All the evidence point that it was in inside job.

mattbbpl

Yep

Well, I'm sold. The evidence you two have presented here - in combination with the fact-checking skills that ANIMOSITY has presented - leave me with no doubt that it truly was an inside job.

Lmao, yupp. 9/11 was just like the sinking of the Lusitania. The US purposely sent the Lusitania into German U-Boat territory for a reason to enter the war.