It's about damn time.

So typically American... We've got gun problems! The solution? MORE GUNS!

I see the logic in the whole thing, but it's not the teacher's role to protect, it's to teach! Besides, students are far from the only ones who can go insane. Think about working for 30-40 years as a teacher for some annoying kids, that don't really want to be there in the first place... Anyway, a whole armed force of teachers, seems to strengthen the authoritarian illusion, a trait I don't like.

Steingrimur

But, seriously this is a bad idea, and I think parents would agree with me.

[QUOTE="Rekunta"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....super_mario_128

I don't care if you're Bruce Lee, if you're staring down the barrel of a gun there's not much you can do. It's not like these teachers wouldn't be trained and licensed to carry it.

Which is why numerous teachers are armed in the vicinity. And the news wouldn't broadcast which teachers would have weapons in the first place....hence...concealed.

I'd be outraged if one of my kids was slaughtered sitting defenseless in a classroom when something could've been done about it. I love how people are "it's my right to bear arms", yet when something like this happens, they are adamantly against it. Why??

Ok, lets think of a hypothetical situation here:

A student/random guy goes mad, goes to the nearest public building with the sole intention to murder. He goes into the first classroom he sees, realises the teacher may have a gun, beats the teacher to the draw; what do we have? A hostage situation which will end up with many students dying ANYWAY and the perpetrator committing suicide...

Plus, the whole 'I'd be outraged if one of my kids was slaughtered sitting defenseless in a classroom' arguement can be applied to the teacher committing the homicide... If you believe that this isn't likely to happen, then I'm afraid I don't know what to say... Teachers have their limits too...

But what if the door was locked? Making the kid have to go to more drastic measures to get inside? Spoiling his intentions giving the teacher a better head start?

BTW, someone mentioned that when you're staring down the barrel of the gun ther's not much you can do. So when a crazy guy starts shooting at school, what do you think the teacher, who is scared, pissed at the students, and probably underpaid will do? Heroicly pull out his gun and start a shootout? No, he will hide.XanderKage

But what if the door was locked? Making the kid have to go to more drastic measures to get inside? Spoiling his intentions giving the teacher a better head start?

CoreoVII

What use is a constitution when you don't feel safe at school? Disgusting.clembo1990

What use is a constitution when rights guaranteed therein don't apply to all citizens?

[QUOTE="CoreoVII"]

But what if the door was locked? Making the kid have to go to more drastic measures to get inside? Spoiling his intentions giving the teacher a better head start?

super_mario_128

Go to virginia tech and ask, they will tell you striaght up. all it take's is one time. Unfortunatly that is what it has to take to get people to see.

Teacher: Okay class, stay seated until I get back from the restroom

*teacher leaves

*student gets up and goes through the desk finding a gun

*teacher returns

Teacher:Oops...:shock: I forgot to lock my desk

BLAM!

Yeah, everybody should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon, as long as it's something totally slick, like a huge-ass machine gun that you carry under a trenchcoat like in The Matrix.

/Onion Reference

Teacher: Okay class, stay seated until I get back from the restroom

*teacher leaves

*student gets up and goes through the desk finding a gun

*teacher returns

Teacher:Oops...:shock: I forgot to lock my desk

BLAM!

LegendaryFox77

This true, but I can't remember a teacher ever using the bathroom "during" class. but thats just me. Its a hard debate but man....i dont know at this point.

[QUOTE="Rekunta"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....super_mario_128

I don't care if you're Bruce Lee, if you're staring down the barrel of a gun there's not much you can do. It's not like these teachers wouldn't be trained and licensed to carry it.

Which is why numerous teachers are armed in the vicinity. And the news wouldn't broadcast which teachers would have weapons in the first place....hence...concealed.

I'd be outraged if one of my kids was slaughtered sitting defenseless in a classroom when something could've been done about it. I love how people are "it's my right to bear arms", yet when something like this happens, they are adamantly against it. Why??

Ok, lets think of a hypothetical situation here:

A student/random guy goes mad, goes to the nearest public building with the sole intention to murder. He goes into the first classroom he sees, realises the teacher may have a gun, beats the teacher to the draw; what do we have? A hostage situation which will end up with many students dying ANYWAY and the perpetrator committing suicide...

Plus, the whole 'I'd be outraged if one of my kids was slaughtered sitting defenseless in a classroom' arguement can be applied to the teacher committing the homicide... If you believe that this isn't likely to happen, then I'm afraid I don't know what to say... Teachers have their limits too...

A hostage situation would be a blessing considering the alternative of just plain all out murder. The killer has predetermined that people are going to die regardless; there should be at least a quick response alternative, despite if it works or doesn't in the end. At least there can be an attempt made to save others. An analogy would be like a grass fire. Someone starts it, it burns and burns no matter what, but if you have a big enough supply of water to put it out in the beginning you can save the rest. It's better to have an alternative that may work than one that isn't there at all.

Sure, teachers can murder as well, I've never heard of anything like that happening. And if it did, I'd think the person wouldn't be a teacher in the first place, and certainly wouldn't be certified to carry a weapon legally in the first place.

Gotta go to the doc. Be back later. :)

Go to virginia tech and ask, they will tell you striaght up. all it take's is one time. Unfortunatly that is what it has to take to get people to see.

CoreoVII

Man, it's obvious you had some unfortunate gun incident, but giving out guns isn't the solution. That's what created the problem in the first place. And the only reason Virginia Tech was one of only few cases like that is because no on ecarries gun (on a normal day). If you give out guns to techers the number of these cases will only go up...

[QUOTE="CoreoVII"]

Go to virginia tech and ask, they will tell you striaght up. all it take's is one time. Unfortunatly that is what it has to take to get people to see.

XanderKage

Man, it's obvious you had some unfortunate gun incident, but giving out guns isn't the solution. That's what created the problem in the first place. And the only reason Virginia Tech was one of only few cases like that is because no on ecarries gun (on a normal day). If you give out guns to techers the number of these cases will only go up...

which is why it sucks so bad, cause it makes you feel like you can't change any thing or make a difference . You just have to "let it go".

A hostage situation would be a blessing considering the alternative of just plain all out murder. The killer has predetermined that people are going to die regardless; there should be at least a quick response alternative, despite if it works or doesn't in the end. At least there can be an attempt made to save others. An analogy would be like a grass fire. Someone starts it, it burns and burns no matter what, but if you have a big enough supply of water to put it out in the beginning you can save the rest. It's better to have an alternative that may work than one that isn't there at all.

Sure, teachers can murder as well, I've never heard of anything like that happening. And if it did, I'd think the person wouldn't be a teacher in the first place, and certainly wouldn't be certified to carry a weapon legally in the first place.

Gotta go to the doc. Be back later. :)

Rekunta

Honestly, I don't think this is a good idea. One, how do you know if the teacher just won't snap at the last second, and pull the gun on the classroom? If teachers throw things out of stress, anger, etc., what makes you think that (s)he won't pull the gun out and shoot? Two, what if the teacher is busy and a student gets extremely angry, and takes the gun from the teacher? You have a hostage suitation right there (it's possible). Furthermore, there can be a gun down situation. If the student that has the gun takes down the teacher before the teacher is able to take down the student in self-defense, there's a bit of problem there, unless it depends on where the bullet hits the teacher (via head, neck, heart, stomach, arm, shoulder, etc.), the teacher may be able to take down the student still. Even then, it will prove to hold fear in the classmates.

Plus, if it is known that the teachers have guns, it might bring fear into the students. How will this become a problem? Well, if a student has a question, and knows that teacher has a gun, the student might not ask the question that is on their mind in fear of what the teacher might do if the teacher snaps. It might seem like a good idea; however,...

But, seriously this is a bad idea, and I think parents would agree with me.

anime56

[QUOTE="XanderKage"][QUOTE="CoreoVII"]

Go to virginia tech and ask, they will tell you striaght up. all it take's is one time. Unfortunatly that is what it has to take to get people to see.

CoreoVII

Man, it's obvious you had some unfortunate gun incident, but giving out guns isn't the solution. That's what created the problem in the first place. And the only reason Virginia Tech was one of only few cases like that is because no on ecarries gun (on a normal day). If you give out guns to techers the number of these cases will only go up...

which is why it sucks so bad, cause it makes you feel like you can't change any thing or make a difference . You just have to "let it go".

Now you're talking suicidal. Don't.

Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....hillelslovak

This is in Texas? Not really suprised, then.mentalabc123

Glad I don't live in Texas.flowdee79

For some strange reason, these quotes actually make me glad that I live in Texas :D. I absolutely love the badass rep that we have8).

And this has been needing to happen for a LONG time now. It seems like people would have learned, but sadly they wont until it is their child that gets shot by a suicidal student. I am happy that Texas made this rule first. I definitely will feel a lot better sending my future kids to school now.

My dad got smacked with rulers when he was in class.

Now kids will get pistol-whipped.

Seriously, though, this is bad news. Teachers with guns equals easy access for kids to get guns.

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"] Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....Redneck33

This is in Texas? Not really suprised, then.mentalabc123

Glad I don't live in Texas.flowdee79

For some strange reason, these quotes actually make me glad that I live in Texas :D. I absolutely love the badass rep that we have8).

And this has been needing to happen for a LONG time now. It seems like people would have learned, but sadly they wont until it is their child that gets shot by a suicidal student. I am happy that Texas made this rule first. I definitely will feel a lot better sending my future kids to school now.

You think it bad when students get shot by suicidal student? You should listen to what will happen when a student will be shot by a sucidal teacher.

[QUOTE="CoreoVII"][QUOTE="XanderKage"][QUOTE="CoreoVII"]

Go to virginia tech and ask, they will tell you striaght up. all it take's is one time. Unfortunatly that is what it has to take to get people to see.

XanderKage

Man, it's obvious you had some unfortunate gun incident, but giving out guns isn't the solution. That's what created the problem in the first place. And the only reason Virginia Tech was one of only few cases like that is because no on ecarries gun (on a normal day). If you give out guns to techers the number of these cases will only go up...

which is why it sucks so bad, cause it makes you feel like you can't change any thing or make a difference . You just have to "let it go".

Now you're talking suicidal. Don't.

no no, their's no crazy's in my family. Im just sayin, you think your safe with your buddies around and life is all about makin good grades and hookin up with the hottest chick, but one wrong encounter on the street, and its like da*m, "it really did happen to me".

If a psycho wants to kill someone, he'll do it. People just have to realise that there are certain situations that you just can't defend against.

So what happens if this is introduced? Mr. Psycho is just going to start shooting people as they exit school, or better take the school bus and start shooting kids.

Not to mention, the several other reasons why this is a bad idea.

And this has been needing to happen for a LONG time now. It seems like people would have learned, but sadly they wont until it is their child that gets shot by a suicidal student. I am happy that Texas made this rule first. I definitely will feel a lot better sending my future kids to school now.

Redneck33

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No..they shouldn't.:|super_mario_128

I agree with them.

Anybody that finds out can possibly rip it off the teach n then u got a shooting..I mean, it makes no sense. I find that totally dumb.

[QUOTE="XanderKage"][QUOTE="CoreoVII"][QUOTE="XanderKage"][QUOTE="CoreoVII"]

Go to virginia tech and ask, they will tell you striaght up. all it take's is one time. Unfortunatly that is what it has to take to get people to see.

CoreoVII

Man, it's obvious you had some unfortunate gun incident, but giving out guns isn't the solution. That's what created the problem in the first place. And the only reason Virginia Tech was one of only few cases like that is because no on ecarries gun (on a normal day). If you give out guns to techers the number of these cases will only go up...

which is why it sucks so bad, cause it makes you feel like you can't change any thing or make a difference . You just have to "let it go".

Now you're talking suicidal. Don't.

no no, their's no crazy's in my family. Im just sayin, you think your safe with your buddies around and life is all about makin good grades and hookin up with the hottest chick, but one wrong encounter on the street, and its like da*m, "it really did happen to me".

Well, man I live in Israel. So danger on the street isn't really a stranger... Well, personally I didn't experiance any tragic stuff, but the tention is high. You just don't think about it. As for preventing it, giving out guns isn't a solution. You try to prevent any murder cases, but within the reasonable bounds.

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"] Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....Redneck33

This is in Texas? Not really suprised, then.mentalabc123

Glad I don't live in Texas.flowdee79

For some strange reason, these quotes actually make me glad that I live in Texas :D. I absolutely love the badass rep that we have8).

And this has been needing to happen for a LONG time now. It seems like people would have learned, but sadly they wont until it is their child that gets shot by a suicidal student. I am happy that Texas made this rule first. I definitely will feel a lot better sending my future kids to school now.

You think it bad when students get shot by suicidal student? You should listen to what will happen when a student will be shot by a sucidal teacher.

XanderKage

Student are more likely to go on a shooting rampage than a teacher. People dont fully mature emotional until their 20s, so a teen is WAY more likely to shoot up a school than a middle-aged teacher.

Yeah, like it won't be a matter of time before some kid breaks into a locked drawer holding the teacher's gun and either shoots someone (or themselves), unintentionally, while showing it off. Or they might just decide to take it and shoot at someone they have a beef with. This is a very stupid and irresponsible decision, one that might come back to bite them in the ass at some point.elblanquito_81

Most teachers I have seen have had strong metal desks, and I think that will be a requirement for any teachers who carry concealed weapons. So a student breaking into one of those is out of the question.

Sure, it may come back to bite them, but we can't predict the future, so the best thing to do now is just protect our youth.

Student are more likely to go on a shooting rampage than a teacher. People dont fully mature emotional until their 20s, so a teen is WAY more likely to shoot up a school than a middle-aged teacher.Redneck33

Students are more likely to go on a shooting rampage when they have an easy-to-get gun in their class room.... And you really believe people don't fully mature until they're 20? Seriously? This is so disappoiting I don't have anything to say. And besides, no one's talking about a rampage - You ever felt like hitting someone that annoys you? Now imagine there're 30 of them and you have a gun.

So to decrease the amount of school shootings, they give people more guns. :|

Anyway, I wouldn't want to piss the teacher off. :P

That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....hillelslovak

agree, I'm sure there are some amount of sane people there though.

[QUOTE="Redneck33"]Student are more likely to go on a shooting rampage than a teacher. People dont fully mature emotional until their 20s, so a teen is WAY more likely to shoot up a school than a middle-aged teacher.XanderKage

Students are more likely to go on a shooting rampage when they have an easy-to-get gun in their class room.... And you really believe people don't fully mature until they're 20? Seriously? This is so disappoiting I don't have anything to say. And besides, no one's talking about a rampage - You ever felt like hitting someone that annoys you? Now imagine there're 30 of them and you have a gun.

EMOTIONALLY MATURE! Physically, a person fully matures by about 18 (give or take), but emotionally is a way different story.

And no, I have never seriously felt like hitting someone. And I DEFINITELY never felt like shooting someone. That is what I am talking about though. I teenager is much more likely to let their emotions take over than a 30 year old teacher.

[QUOTE="Redneck33"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"] ...mastershake575

...mentalabc123

...flowdee79

...

There is no reason to turn a classroom into a interrogation room. That doesn't promote an environment for a child to learn. That promotes an environment of fear.

The teacher doesn't need a gun. I don't trust teachers enough especially considering how some schools hire them without certification. Does anyone have any statistics on how often school shootings occur?

So to decrease the amount of school shootings, they give people more guns. :|

Anyway, I wouldn't want to piss the teacher off. :P

DeathHeart95

It is not about decreasing the amount of school shootings. That is impossible. They are just trying to decrease the amount of deaths that are caused. If Virginia had this law a few years ago, then maybe instead of having a few dozen students dead, there would have maybe only been 2 or 3.

EMOTIONALLY MATURE! Physically, a person fully matures by about 18 (give or take), but emotionally is a way different story.

And no, I have never seriously felt like hitting someone. And I DEFINITELY never felt like shooting someone. That is what I am talking about though. I teenager is much more likely to let their emotions take over than a 30 year old teacher.

Redneck33

I meant EMOTIONALLY MATURE, so no need tom RASE YOUR VOICE. And it's bull$hit. I met planty of teenager who would give some adults a lesson at being mature. And I really don't belive you never felt like hitting someone.

Most teachers I have seen have had strong metal desks, and I think that will be a requirement for any teachers who carry concealed weapons. So a student breaking into one of those is out of the question.

Sure, it may come back to bite them, but we can't predict the future, so the best thing to do now is just protect our youth.

Redneck33

That is by far the DUMBEST thing I have EVER heard in my entire life!!!!

sooner or later parents and students will argue the fact that if teachers can have it students should have them to defend themselves from the corrupt teachers! Then all hell will break loose...This is really F**king retarded!

It is not about decreasing the amount of school shootings. That is impossible. They are just trying to decrease the amount of deaths that are caused. If Virginia had this law a few years ago, then maybe instead of having a few dozen students dead, there would have maybe only been 2 or 3. Redneck33

Let me guess, you're an american. And when it's hard to try and decrease the number of shootings, you just want to give guns to everyone. Highly logical.