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#1 BluRayHiDef
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I'm sure this comes as no surprise, but J.K. Rowling's net worth is $1 billion. Has anyone ever thought about that in depth and not just passively? It's mindblowing. Do you guys think her quality as a writer warrants her wealth? Do you think Harry Potter was a fluke?

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Her subsequent novels have been well recieved, so I don't think it's a fluke. She crafted a cohesive, desciptive, exciting world, that appealed to kids and adults alike. 

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Considering how much good to novel business she has done I would say she more than earned it.

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Her subsequent novels have been well recieved, so I don't think it's a fluke. She crafted a cohesive, desciptive, exciting world, that appealed to kids and adults alike. 

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I haven't looked into her new work. What genres does it encompass?

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Harry Potter was a well crafted story to all ages. I hated books and with Harry Potter I started reading them and let me tell you that I know love books.

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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Her subsequent novels have been well recieved, so I don't think it's a fluke. She crafted a cohesive, desciptive, exciting world, that appealed to kids and adults alike. 

BluRayHiDef

I haven't looked into her new work. What genres does it encompass?

If I remember correctly, I saw a J.K. Rowling book in the mystery section one day, so I suppose she's done some of that.
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#7 BluRayHiDef
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Considering how much good to novel business she has done I would say she more than earned it.

AdrianWerner

She's got more money than Stephen King ($400 mill), and he's been writing longer than she has. He's written fifty books!

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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Her subsequent novels have been well recieved, so I don't think it's a fluke. She crafted a cohesive, desciptive, exciting world, that appealed to kids and adults alike. 

AvatarMan96

I haven't looked into her new work. What genres does it encompass?

If I remember correctly, I saw a J.K. Rowling book in the mystery section one day, so I suppose she's done some of that.

I wonder if she could pull off a science fiction novel.

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I remember reading her first book in Primary School during the reading hour thing we'd have and rushing ahead of everyone else because it just threw my imagination into overdrive. I ended up reading them well into adulthood, they were the first proper books I'd read and thinking back she's certainly accomplished something big because the Harry Potter books captivated me just as much as a child as they do now as an adult. Plus I found the Lord of the Rings books a bit too heavy when I was younger, it wasn't until I got into my teens that I could learn to appreciate the story line without missing big parts of the plot due to, well, immaturity I guess. I think that's another thing Rowling was wonderful at, she was brilliant at making the books just as accessible to children whereas a lot of other books that sat in that middle ground between children's books and adult's books kind of didn't know which way to go. I definitely think her wealth is warranted, she should be proud for having created such an amazing series of books that will be remembered for years to come.
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Wow she is worth that much? I think the british government should sell her to pay off our national debt. Her hp books weren't all that well written but nonetheless she did a very good job of telling a story and keeping us wanting more. I've not read any of her other books. That book she recently wrote under a fake name though was well-received so I doubt it's just her name at this stage that sells books
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Wow she is worth that much? I think the british government should sell her to pay off our national debt. Her hp books weren't all that well written but nonetheless she did a very good job of telling a story and keeping us wanting more. I've not read any of her other books. That book she recently wrote under a fake name though was well-received so I doubt it's just her name at this stage that sells booksEJ902

 

Yep, she's worth a whopping $1 billion. The Google search result blew my mind. I wonder what she'll do with that money.

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#12 LJS9502_basic
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I don't think she has quality as a writer.....I think hype goes a long long way.
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Considering how much good to novel business she has done I would say she more than earned it.

BluRayHiDef

She's got more money than Stephen King ($400 mill), and he's been writing longer than she has. He's written fifty books!

Yes. But his height of popularity was decades ago. Despite what you might often year, we are living in golden age of novels and the biggest bestsellers completely destroy anything that was published just few decades ago.

Also...King didn't create IP for children..so no royalities from toys, games etc

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I don't think she has quality as a writer.....I think hype goes a long long way.LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="AvatarMan96"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

I haven't looked into her new work. What genres does it encompass?

BluRayHiDef

If I remember correctly, I saw a J.K. Rowling book in the mystery section one day, so I suppose she's done some of that.

I wonder if she could pull off a science fiction novel.

The writer of the Twilight books (Stephenie Meyer) did that with "The Host", so I don't know that it would be a stretch for J.K. Rowling.
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#16 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="AvatarMan96"] If I remember correctly, I saw a J.K. Rowling book in the mystery section one day, so I suppose she's done some of that.Stinger78

I wonder if she could pull off a science fiction novel.

The writer of the Twilight books (Stephenie Meyer) did that with "The Host", so I don't know that it would be a stretch for J.K. Rowling.

As Stephen King said "The real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer cant write worth a darn." So yeah.. I'm sure Rowling could handle SF novel.

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#17 BluRayHiDef
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[QUOTE="Stinger78"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"] I wonder if she could pull off a science fiction novel.

AdrianWerner

The writer of the Twilight books (Stephenie Meyer) did that with "The Host", so I don't know that it would be a stretch for J.K. Rowling.

As Stephen King said "The real difference is that Jo Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer cant write worth a darn." So yeah.. I'm sure Rowling could handle SF novel.

I'm wondering what science fiction elements she'd incorporate (e.g. time travel, artificial intelligence, cloning, etc), and whether her take on them would be plausible and cool.

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Her strength is in her storytelling moreso than her writing. From a technical perspective, her writing is very mediocre.
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HP wasn't the best written series even by children's literature standards. Rowling did, however, excel at creating an epic, fascinating world. Star Wars did the same thing and therefore had the same success. Add in a few great characters and things like dialogue and development of such characters don't matter so much.

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Her strength is in her storytelling moreso than her writing. From a technical perspective, her writing is very mediocre.Makhaidos

Uhh..not really. She has pretty damn good writing style. It was simple in Harry Potter, because that's what's necessary for children/YA novel. But even there it was descriptive, fluid and very concrete. The simplicity and directness was obviously an concious choice, because her adult books have very different and much richer style.

"Very mediocre writing" would cause children to stop reading after chapter or two. A book like that wouldn't be able to pull kids through hundreds of pages, no matter how good the actual story would be. Writing for children is the hardest form of writing from technical perspective.

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Harry Potter really sucks
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Rowling hit the goldmine. She made something people loved and the marketers jumped on it. Cha-ching. Personally, what I loved the most about her stuff was the humor. For me, that was easily the best part of the Harry Potter books, e.g. "It unscrews the other way."
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[QUOTE="Makhaidos"]Her strength is in her storytelling moreso than her writing. From a technical perspective, her writing is very mediocre.AdrianWerner

Uhh..not really. She has pretty damn good writing style. It was simple in Harry Potter, because that's what's necessary for children/YA novel. But even there it was descriptive, fluid and very concrete. The simplicity and directness was obviously an concious choice, because her adult books have very different and much richer style.

"Very mediocre writing" would cause children to stop reading after chapter or two. A book like that wouldn't be able to pull kids through hundreds of pages, no matter how good the actual story would be. Writing for children is the hardest form of writing from technical perspective.

Simplicity is not the same as mediocre writing. Her adult books reflect the same technical styles as her Harry Potter books: strong story, sketchy technique.

Children don't care about the writing--they don't know the difference. They care about the story, which, as I said, is Rowling's greatest strength--hence her popularity. Are children looking at this big magical world where kids can go to learn how to cast spells in a fun and sometimes terrifying manner, or are they looking at the frequent and unnecessary use of adverbs and gerunds?

And writing does not need to be overly simplified or technically mediocre for children to enjoy--as shown by books like the Chronicles of Narnia and the works of John Green.

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Based on the following sample, how do you guys think my writing compares to J.K. Rowling's?

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Next jk r
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I'm sure this comes as no surprise, but J.K. Rowling's net worth is $1 billion. Has anyone ever thought about that in depth and not just passively? It's mindblowing. Do you guys think her quality as a writer warrants her wealth? Do you think Harry Potter was a fluke?

BluRayHiDef

It has been a while, but I remember reading an article where she was really smart about what % she got about revenue from stuff outside of the books, so she got a substantial chunk of the movie revenue, in addition to all the book sales.

In other words, she is a really smart businesswoman, not just a successful author.

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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Considering how much good to novel business she has done I would say she more than earned it.

BluRayHiDef

She's got more money than Stephen King ($400 mill), and he's been writing longer than she has. He's written fifty books!

Stephen King is a huge fan of hers as well, or has at least come to her defense in his column on at least one occasion lol

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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

I'm sure this comes as no surprise, but J.K. Rowling's net worth is $1 billion. Has anyone ever thought about that in depth and not just passively? It's mindblowing. Do you guys think her quality as a writer warrants her wealth? Do you think Harry Potter was a fluke?

mrbojangles25

It has been a while, but I remember reading an article where she was really smart about what % she got about revenue from stuff outside of the books, so she got a substantial chunk of the movie revenue, in addition to all the book sales.

In other words, she is a really smart businesswoman, not just a successful author.

She's also a wonderful philanthropist--she donated so much money to charity that she actually lost her billionaire status.
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Needs edited....
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Needs edited....LJS9502_basic
and elipses...
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Needs edited....heeweesRus
and elipses...

What do you guys have in mind? Also, neither of you answered my question. How do I compare to her?

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It doesn't matter if her writing is "good" or without plot holes. She wrote a fantastic series that sucked in a generation and brought reading alive and immersed readers in a world that didn't even need supplementation by movies or games or toys. A fluke is one book, she wrote seven that captivated people of all ages, all around the world. The more you reread the books, the more you see she has an absolute plan from the get-go, her books follow this plan of mirroring that I cannot remember the term for that many great authors have used, and you catch subtle things that just make you really think and wonder. Harry Potter got me back into reading, so yes, she deserves every penny she has. Writing talent is not all about using fancy words, it's about pulling your audience in and not letting them put the book down.
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Wow she is worth that much? I think the british government should sell her to pay off our national debt. Her hp books weren't all that well written but nonetheless she did a very good job of telling a story and keeping us wanting more. I've not read any of her other books. That book she recently wrote under a fake name though was well-received so I doubt it's just her name at this stage that sells booksEJ902

So many literature PhDs on this forum that go on about how poorly a billionaire novelist writes her novels.

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I think Harry Potter was a fluke... well, maybe not a fluke, but really there's no telling which authors books get noticed or not and are giving tons of media attention which also really helps sell the books, I'm sure the making of the movies also really helped build the popularity of the series. Anyhow, regardless of whether I think it was a fluke or not it is good to hear about how she went from being poor and depressed and really at a low point in her life to being Scarface.
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[QUOTE="EJ902"]Wow she is worth that much? I think the british government should sell her to pay off our national debt. Her hp books weren't all that well written but nonetheless she did a very good job of telling a story and keeping us wanting more. I've not read any of her other books. That book she recently wrote under a fake name though was well-received so I doubt it's just her name at this stage that sells booksSqueets

So many literature PhDs on this forum that go on about how poorly a billionaire novelist writes her novels.

Writing quality and the amount of money you make selling your writing are not correlated. Or are you suggesting that Stephanie Meyer, one of the bestselling novelists of the generation, writes splendidly?

 

I'd love to hear your opinions on E.L. James.

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[QUOTE="heeweesRus"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Needs edited....BluRayHiDef

and elipses...

What do you guys have in mind? Also, neither of you answered my question. How do I compare to her?

You're pretty good.
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They were good AND received well in the mainstream. She deserves it.
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[QUOTE="Squeets"]

[QUOTE="EJ902"]Wow she is worth that much? I think the british government should sell her to pay off our national debt. Her hp books weren't all that well written but nonetheless she did a very good job of telling a story and keeping us wanting more. I've not read any of her other books. That book she recently wrote under a fake name though was well-received so I doubt it's just her name at this stage that sells booksMakhaidos

So many literature PhDs on this forum that go on about how poorly a billionaire novelist writes her novels.

Writing quality and the amount of money you make selling your writing are not correlated. Or are you suggesting that Stephanie Meyer, one of the bestselling novelists of the generation, writes splendidly?

 

I'd love to hear your opinions on E.L. James.

I haven't read either of their works, so I can't comment... But to claim someone "doesn't write well" while making millions, if not billions of dollars on their work is highly arrogant.

Just because some teenage boy on the internet doesn't like their work doesn't mean it isn't well written.  Their novels are aimed at a particular audience and if that audience buys their work, clearly it is well written for them or they wouldn't bother paying for it.

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[QUOTE="Makhaidos"]

[QUOTE="Squeets"]

So many literature PhDs on this forum that go on about how poorly a billionaire novelist writes her novels.

Squeets

Writing quality and the amount of money you make selling your writing are not correlated. Or are you suggesting that Stephanie Meyer, one of the bestselling novelists of the generation, writes splendidly?

 

I'd love to hear your opinions on E.L. James.

I haven't read either of their works, so I can't comment... But to claim someone "doesn't write well" while making millions, if not billions of dollars on their work is highly arrogant.

Just because some teenage boy on the internet doesn't like their work doesn't mean it isn't well written.  Their novels are aimed at a particular audience and if that audience buys their work, clearly it is well written for them or they wouldn't bother paying for it.

You don't have to write well to successfully pander to a specific audience. Again, I point to Stephanie Meyer and E.L. James, as well as fanfiction.net.

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Writing quality and the amount of money you make selling your writing are not correlated. Or are you suggesting that Stephanie Meyer, one of the bestselling novelists of the generation, writes splendidly?

 

I'd love to hear your opinions on E.L. James.

Makhaidos
As I said above, writing isn't all about being perfect or having top-notch writing. It's about sucking your audience in. Think about harlequin romance novels, which are essentially on par with the writing quality of Twilight. They make a KILLING off of those. Twilight is basically harlequin romance lite plus vampires, plus twist to be 'different' from Anne Rice and the like. She captured an audience of thousands of teenage/tween girls and (slightly pathetic) soccer moms by giving them something to lust over. Just like the people who buy smutty novels and 50 shades of grey. None are well written, all suck their audiences in. It doesn't make you a good writer, but if you can grasp and hold a huge audience, you're successful IMO even if your writing is subpar.
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#41 Makhaidos
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[QUOTE="Makhaidos"]

Writing quality and the amount of money you make selling your writing are not correlated. Or are you suggesting that Stephanie Meyer, one of the bestselling novelists of the generation, writes splendidly?

 

I'd love to hear your opinions on E.L. James.

XilePrincess
As I said above, writing isn't all about being perfect or having top-notch writing. It's about sucking your audience in. Think about harlequin romance novels, which are essentially on par with the writing quality of Twilight. They make a KILLING off of those. Twilight is basically harlequin romance lite plus vampires, plus twist to be 'different' from Anne Rice and the like. She captured an audience of thousands of teenage/tween girls and (slightly pathetic) soccer moms by giving them something to lust over. Just like the people who buy smutty novels and 50 shades of grey. None are well written, all suck their audiences in. It doesn't make you a good writer, but if you can grasp and hold a huge audience, you're successful IMO even if your writing is subpar.

I actually agree. I just don't equate commercial success with quality.
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#42 Serraph105
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I hated books and with Harry Potter I started reading them and let me tell you that I now love books.

Ricardomz
I have several friends with this exact same story.

Considering how much good to novel business she has done I would say she more than earned it.

AdrianWerner
Considering the above, I agree with you 100%
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This isn't relevant, but she's got a very nice pair.

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I'm sure this comes as no surprise, but J.K. Rowling's net worth is $1 billion. Has anyone ever thought about that in depth and not just passively? It's mindblowing. Do you guys think her quality as a writer warrants her wealth? Do you think Harry Potter was a fluke?

BluRayHiDef

It's better than Kim Kardashian being worth $1 billion.

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#45 GummiRaccoon
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Harry Potter was a well crafted story to all ages. I hated books and with Harry Potter I started reading them and let me tell you that Inow love books.

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This alone is exceedingly valuable to society.

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#46 GummiRaccoon
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="AvatarMan96"] If I remember correctly, I saw a J.K. Rowling book in the mystery section one day, so I suppose she's done some of that.Stinger78

I wonder if she could pull off a science fiction novel.

The writer of the Twilight books (Stephenie Meyer) did that with "The Host", so I don't know that it would be a stretch for J.K. Rowling.

 

Stephanie Meyer is the worst published author on the earth.

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#47 Ninja-Hippo
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Based on the following sample, how do you guys think my writing compares to J.K. Rowling's?

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This is pretty awful, man. But don't let that get you down. That's the thing about writing. That's why even the best writers still need editors to tell them what sucks and what works. Go back over and make it better. Then make it better again. Then make it better again. Read every sentence and then re-draft it.
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#48 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] This is pretty awful, man. But don't let that get you down. That's the thing about writing. That's why even the best writers still need editors to tell them what sucks and what works. Go back over and make it better. Then make it better again. Then make it better again. Read every sentence and then re-draft it.

Harsh man. At least I just told him to edit.:P
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#49 Ninja-Hippo
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] This is pretty awful, man. But don't let that get you down. That's the thing about writing. That's why even the best writers still need editors to tell them what sucks and what works. Go back over and make it better. Then make it better again. Then make it better again. Read every sentence and then re-draft it.

Harsh man. At least I just told him to edit.:P

I'm just being honest, which is what you really need. I am the first to admit that my own fiction writing is beyond awful in first draft.
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#50 BluRayHiDef
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Based on the following sample, how do you guys think my writing compares to J.K. Rowling's?

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Ninja-Hippo

This is pretty awful, man. But don't let that get you down. That's the thing about writing. That's why even the best writers still need editors to tell them what sucks and what works. Go back over and make it better. Then make it better again. Then make it better again. Read every sentence and then re-draft it.

Pff. At the very least, it's okay. Terrible? Go take a nap.