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#201 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]I'm surprised that anyone and everyone completely ignored my post in here. -_-xaos
Is it anything you can elaborate on?

I never saw his at all. I need more than an elaboration.:lol:
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ask ANY mod if there is an expiration date on moderation history. They will tell you no. ;)LJS9502_basic
I've been told previously by mods that they won't look at your really old moderations. >_>

Well they do. That is why the punishment increases in severity.

V_V The idea is that they look at your previous moderations but don't take into account the very old ones, which accounts for that.

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#204 horgen  Moderator
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Well they do. That is why the punishment increases in severity.

I wonder... It's close to a year since my last one.. Will I get more than a warning next time? Last I got was a warning.
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#205 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]I've been told previously by mods that they won't look at your really old moderations. >_>Funky_Llama

Well they do. That is why the punishment increases in severity.

V_V The idea is that they look at your previous moderations but don't take into account the very old ones, which accounts for that.

Uh...that is a contradiction in terms...:?
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Sometimes that's the way it goes.
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[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Well they do. That is why the punishment increases in severity.

I wonder... It's close to a year since my last one.. Will I get more than a warning next time? Last I got was a warning.

I hadn't had on in about a year....I don't have an extensive history....and I lost points. Because as I was told...they look at ALL moderations.
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#208 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Well they do. That is why the punishment increases in severity.LJS9502_basic

V_V The idea is that they look at your previous moderations but don't take into account the very old ones, which accounts for that.

Uh...that is a contradiction in terms...:?

No it isn't. They might for example increase the penalty for a trolling moderation if you'd have a trolling moderation a few months back, but wouldn't because of one three years back.
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No it isn't. They might for example increase the penalty for a trolling moderation if you'd have a trolling moderation a few months back, but wouldn't because of one three years back.Funky_Llama
So you say......opposite occurs though.

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#210 MAILER_DAEMON
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Note to self: as fun and necessary as it is to be vague, it's even worse to go back and edit a post to address an issue when no one will read it. :cry:
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]No it isn't. They might for example increase the penalty for a trolling moderation if you'd have a trolling moderation a few months back, but wouldn't because of one three years back.LJS9502_basic

So you say......opposite occurs though.

Do I have to do the whole 'where's your evidence' thing again :/

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Note to self: as fun and necessary as it is to be vague, it's even worse to go back and edit a post to address an issue when no one will read it. :cry:MAILER_DAEMON
Or you could just explain it here. >_>
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Note to self: as fun and necessary as it is to be vague, it's even worse to go back and edit a post to address an issue when no one will read it. :cry:MAILER_DAEMON
I found your post. It was muy mysteriouso. So I have no clue.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]No it isn't. They might for example increase the penalty for a trolling moderation if you'd have a trolling moderation a few months back, but wouldn't because of one three years back.Funky_Llama

So you say......opposite occurs though.

Do I have to do the whole 'where's your evidence' thing again :/

Moderation history as I've told you. Ask vets. They'll tell you.
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#215 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] So you say......opposite occurs though.

LJS9502_basic

Do I have to do the whole 'where's your evidence' thing again :/

Moderation history as I've told you. Ask vets. They'll tell you.

Oh for the love of God. 'ask vets' does not cut it. They're not omnipotent. Given that MAILER's told us that he will take into account if you've gone a long time without getting moderated, I think you need to do better than that.
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Note to self: as fun and necessary as it is to be vague, it's even worse to go back and edit a post to address an issue when no one will read it. :cry:MAILER_DAEMON
Well save us post hunters some work and quote it asking for it to be addressed on a newer location. Help me, help you! :P
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[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]Note to self: as fun and necessary as it is to be vague, it's even worse to go back and edit a post to address an issue when no one will read it. :cry:Shhadow_Viper
Well save us post hunters some work and quote it asking for it to be addressed on a newer location. Help me, help you! :P

It's only one page back :/
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Oh for the love of God. 'ask vets' does not cut it. They're not omnipotent. Given that MAILER's told us that he will take into account if you've gone a long time without getting moderated, I think you need to do better than that.Funky_Llama
Hello....they are the ones that have experience with moderations and punishments while obviously not being chronic violaters.:lol: Now I'm done with this.

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#219 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Hello....they are the ones that have experience with moderations and punishments.:lol: Now I'm done with this.

Doesn't mean they'd know the precise reasons for those punishments though, does it? As such they couldn't support your claim.
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#220 horgen  Moderator
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I hadn't had on in about a year....I don't have an extensive history....and I lost points. Because as I was told...they look at ALL moderations.

I know you were. Saw your thread about it.
I got two in the last 18 months... Or well double digit in my time here.. I wish they would tell us how much time they are speaking about... And even more for the moderations to be lower on the punishment.
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Hello....they are the ones that have experience with moderations and punishments.:lol: Now I'm done with this.

Doesn't mean they'd know the precise reasons for those punishments though, does it? As such they couldn't support your claim.

Wow dude. I said I'm done. Anyone can read their moderation history and see large gaps with no moderations but increasing penalties when one does catch them.
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#222 MAILER_DAEMON
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Do I have to do the whole 'where's your evidence' thing again :/

Funky_Llama

Moderation history as I've told you. Ask vets. They'll tell you.

Oh for the love of God. 'ask vets' does not cut it. They're not omnipotent. Given that MAILER's told us that he will take into account if you've gone a long time without getting moderated, I think you need to do better than that.

Funky, it's a middle ground between what you two are saying. Past history is taken into account as well as time between moderations... but you also have to remember the scale of severity is from no penalty (makes a note but no PM) to Warning, Point Loss, Suspension (varying lengths, usually between 1-7), and Ban.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Hello....they are the ones that have experience with moderations and punishments.:lol: Now I'm done with this.

Doesn't mean they'd know the precise reasons for those punishments though, does it? As such they couldn't support your claim.

Wow dude. I said I'm done. Anyone can read their moderation history and see large gaps with no moderations but increasing penalties when one does catch them.

You don't seem to be done :P
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#224 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="xaos"] You don't seem to be done :P

My weakness.....:(
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

LJS I just asked in AtM.

And the response I got what just that: that they do take it into consideration. Pretty much what I said.

Here is the link and see for yourself: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27039829&msg_id=316108758#316108758

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I never said they didn't say that. I said in practice it doesn't work that way. You aren't going to convince since I've seen the opposite in action. ALL prior moderations are looked at when they decide how to handle a new moderation. ALL. And time does not matter.

Just because you say so?

I have seen this principle in moderations with my moderation history as well. I got scaling up moderations when they were in a small span of time, but got lesser ones when they got less frequent.

You are not gonna convince me (or anyone else) since I have seen it happening.

In the worst case both of us have an impression which can be false and that certainly means that what the mod explained to me is possible that happens. Period.

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#226 LJS9502_basic  Online
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Just because you say so?

I have seen this principle in moderations with my moderation history as well.

You are not gonna convence me other (or anyone else) since I have seen it happening.

In the worst case both of us have an impression which can be false and that certainly means that what the mod explained to me is possible that happens. Period.

Teenaged

I think Mailer addressed it. It's not because I said so.;)

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Hello....they are the ones that have experience with moderations and punishments.:lol: Now I'm done with this.

Doesn't mean they'd know the precise reasons for those punishments though, does it? As such they couldn't support your claim.

Wow dude. I said I'm done. Anyone can read their moderation history and see large gaps with no moderations but increasing penalties when one does catch them.

You're the least done done person on the internet >_> And also the most knowledgeable person about mods' motivations and other peoples' moderation histories, apparently.
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but you also have to remember the scale of severity is from no penalty (makes a note but no PM)

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About those... Are they new or have they always been?
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I'm surprised that anyone and everyone completely ignored my post in here. -_-

And I'll just say this to step into the argument... this is what I do at least.

If I see someone trolling or flaming, I'll check the mod history first. Let's say the person has 5 Trolling moderations in the past month... I'll likely give out a day's suspension or more. Now lets say there were 5 trolling moderations from last year, and some of those were severe, but that user hasn't been modded in a year. More than likely I'll give out a point loss, unless if it's something minor, because the person has had several warnings but has cleaned up their act since then. The point is that the mod history follows you regardless, but I do take it into account if the person has gone a long time without any trouble.

MAILER_DAEMON

Indeed. He did address the point. >_>

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]Indeed. He did address the point. >_>

Teenaged
You might want to glance up.....;) Oh and there is more than one mod here. So you can't assume they ALL mod the same.
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Moderation history as I've told you. Ask vets. They'll tell you.MAILER_DAEMON

Oh for the love of God. 'ask vets' does not cut it. They're not omnipotent. Given that MAILER's told us that he will take into account if you've gone a long time without getting moderated, I think you need to do better than that.

Funky, it's a middle ground between what you two are saying. Past history is taken into account as well as time between moderations... but you also have to remember the scale of severity is from no penalty (makes a note but no PM) to Warning, Point Loss, Suspension (varying lengths, usually between 1-7), and Ban.

Yeah, I know that history is taken into account to some extent. But surely there must be some point at which moderations aren't taken to matter - I mean, to take an extreme example, if a user got one moderation, posted very regularly for the next 5 years and only then got a second moderation, surely the first moderation wouldn't be taken into account? D:
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

]Indeed. He did address the point. >_>

LJS9502_basic

You might want to glance up.....;) Oh and there is more than one mod here. So you can't assume they ALL mod the same.

I never said they ALL mod the same. :roll:

But YOU said that NO ONE mods like that and that by YOUR experience what I advocated never happens. ;)

So, you were wrong. From the very first moment I always emphasised that there is a possibility that that some of them do take it into consideration which you have denied whole-heartedly all along this thread.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

]Indeed. He did address the point. >_>

Teenaged

You might want to glance up.....;) Oh and there is more than one mod here. So you can't assume they ALL mod the same.

I never said they ALL mod the same. :roll:

But YOU said that NO ONE mods like that and that by YOUR experience what I advocated never happens. ;)

So, you were wrong. From the very first moment I always emphasised that there is a possibility that that some of them do take it into consideration which you have denied whole-heartedly all along this thread.

No I'm not. Again....glance up. You are giving ONE example....and he already mentioned something about history counting.

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#234 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

]Indeed. He did address the point. >_>

LJS9502_basic
You might want to glance up.....;) Oh and there is more than one mod here. So you can't assume they ALL mod the same.

And yet you've been making exactly that assumption, despite usually being the first to criticise people for generlising: 'ALL prior moderations are looked at when they decide how to handle a new moderation. ALL. And time does not matter.' Note also how 'time does not matter' directly contradicted 'I do take it into account if the person has gone a long time without any trouble.' >_>
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

]Indeed. He did address the point. >_>

Funky_Llama
You might want to glance up.....;) Oh and there is more than one mod here. So you can't assume they ALL mod the same.

And yet you've been making exactly that assumption, despite usually being the first to criticise people for generlising: 'ALL prior moderations are looked at when they decide how to handle a new moderation. ALL. And time does not matter.' Note also how 'time does not matter' directly contradicted 'I do take it into account if the person has gone a long time without any trouble.' >_>

Mailer says he looks at all. He also says history counts. And he didn't dispute what I said.
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#236 MAILER_DAEMON
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[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

but you also have to remember the scale of severity is from no penalty (makes a note but no PM)

horgen123
About those... Are they new or have they always been?

Since before I've been a mod. :lol: @Funky: An extreme example like that.... wouldn't happen, since mod histories were purged in 2005. :P
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You might want to glance up.....;) Oh and there is more than one mod here. So you can't assume they ALL mod the same.LJS9502_basic

I never said they ALL mod the same. :roll:

But YOU said that NO ONE mods like that and that by YOUR experience what I advocated never happens. ;)

So, you were wrong. From the very first moment I always emphasised that there is a possibility that that some of them do take it into consideration which you have denied whole-heartedly all along this thread.

No I'm not. Again....glance up. You are giving ONE example....and he already mentioned something about history counting.

Glance up where?

From mailer's post it is clear that it does matter even to some degree which you have denied all along. Therefore you were wrong.

Why is it so hard for you to admit it?

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[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

but you also have to remember the scale of severity is from no penalty (makes a note but no PM)

MAILER_DAEMON
About those... Are they new or have they always been?

Since before I've been a mod. :lol: @Funky: An extreme example like that.... wouldn't happen, since mod histories were purged in 2005. :P

I think I got my first in 2005. I want a repurge.:(
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Glance up where?

From mailer's post it is clear that it does matter even to some degree which you have denied all along. Therefore you were wrong.

Why is it so hard for you to admit it?

Teenaged

Considering Mailer didn't say I was wrong....I'll leave that to the expert.;)

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You might want to glance up.....;) Oh and there is more than one mod here. So you can't assume they ALL mod the same.

And yet you've been making exactly that assumption, despite usually being the first to criticise people for generlising: 'ALL prior moderations are looked at when they decide how to handle a new moderation. ALL. And time does not matter.' Note also how 'time does not matter' directly contradicted 'I do take it into account if the person has gone a long time without any trouble.' >_>

Mailer says he looks at all. He also says history counts. And he didn't dispute what I said.

Ugh. You said, time does not matter. He pretty clearly suggested that it does, because obviously if he takes into account whether you've gone a long time without any trouble, then time does matter.
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#241 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Glance up where?

From mailer's post it is clear that it does matter even to some degree which you have denied all along. Therefore you were wrong.

Why is it so hard for you to admit it?

LJS9502_basic

Considering Mailer didn't say I was wrong....I'll leave that to the expert.;)

Just because he didn't say that you were wrong doesn't mean that you weren't. :/
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Glance up where?

From mailer's post it is clear that it does matter even to some degree which you have denied all along. Therefore you were wrong.

Why is it so hard for you to admit it?

LJS9502_basic

Considering Mailer didn't say I was wrong....I'll leave that to the expert.;)

So just because MAILER didnt say the exact words "LJS you were wrong in your absolute and extreme assumption that time is not at all considered when moderating" then that means you are not wrong? :roll: Really? :roll:

The facts are here LJS:

You claimed that time is NEVER considered by ANY mod at ANY degree, which is proven false. Therefore yes you were wrong in your extreme assumption.

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#243 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

but you also have to remember the scale of severity is from no penalty (makes a note but no PM)

MAILER_DAEMON
About those... Are they new or have they always been?

Since before I've been a mod. :lol: @Funky: An extreme example like that.... wouldn't happen, since mod histories were purged in 2005. :P

D: Okay, replace six years with four then - what would be the outcome?
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#244 horgen  Moderator
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[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"]

but you also have to remember the scale of severity is from no penalty (makes a note but no PM)

MAILER_DAEMON
About those... Are they new or have they always been?

Since before I've been a mod. :lol: @Funky: An extreme example like that.... wouldn't happen, since mod histories were purged in 2005. :P

okay.. I just never got one of them and didn't hear about them until last year or so. :P
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#245 LJS9502_basic  Online
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]Ugh. You said, time does not matter. He pretty clearly suggested that it does, because obviously if he takes into account whether you've gone a long time without any trouble, then time does matter.Funky_Llama
It doesn't. Mods see the entire history. If you haven't been modded in over a year and get a more severe penalty next time....I'd say it doesn't. I don't know why you are arguing with me. I know from my experience moderations count over the time you've gotten them. Again....I avoid them for the most...and have long stretches with none. But that doesn't mean the penalty has not increased. I have my history to show me....and just you arguing against it. Which should I believe?

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#246 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Glance up where?

From mailer's post it is clear that it does matter even to some degree which you have denied all along. Therefore you were wrong.

Why is it so hard for you to admit it?

Funky_Llama

Considering Mailer didn't say I was wrong....I'll leave that to the expert.;)

Just because he didn't say that you were wrong doesn't mean that you weren't. :/

Except he also backed up some of what I said.....
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#247 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]]Ugh. You said, time does not matter. He pretty clearly suggested that it does, because obviously if he takes into account whether you've gone a long time without any trouble, then time does matter.LJS9502_basic

It doesn't. Mods see the entire history. If you haven't been modded in over a year and get a more severe penalty next time....I'd say it doesn't. I don't know why you are arguing with me. I know from my experience moderations count over the time you've gotten them. Again....I avoid them for the most...and have long stretches with none. But that doesn't mean the penalty has not increased. I have my history to show me....and just you arguing against it. Which should I believe?

This is getting so futile.

Whats so hard to get?

Mailer has said it and I put a huge red font to engrave it in your head. Time matters.

So will you or will you not go by what Mailer has said?

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#248 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Considering Mailer didn't say I was wrong....I'll leave that to the expert.;)

LJS9502_basic

Just because he didn't say that you were wrong doesn't mean that you weren't. :/

Except he also backed up some of what I said.....

But he did directly contradict your main point that time does not matter at all, agreed?

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#249 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Just because he didn't say that you were wrong doesn't mean that you weren't. :/Funky_Llama

Except he also backed up some of what I said.....

But he did directly contradict your main point that time does not matter at all, agreed?

No. He said he considers it. That does not mean it's not considered.
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#250 pvtdonut54
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Mailer, why not lock this thread? Getting way off-topic for my taste. Bleh.