Knowledgeable Christians: Why is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost unforgivable?

12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.Matthew_12_31_32

Okay, so according to Matthew 12:31-32, blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is an unforgivable act. [quote="Matthew_12_31_32"]12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.th3warr1or

Because the denounciation of the holy spirit existing is the unforgiveable sin.. TBH this is VERY much debated and you probly wont find a clear answer

Ok, first, what's the Holy Ghost?-eddy-

[QUOTE="-eddy-"]Ok, first, what's the Holy Ghost?xTheExploited

[QUOTE="xTheExploited"][QUOTE="-eddy-"]Ok, first, what's the Holy Ghost?supa_badman

... Well seeing as back in those days if you talked smack about your king, lord, etc etc publically, you would get killed or at the very least tortured and beaten.. Clearly they would assume such reprecausions would be just as bad if you did it against god.. Furthermore blasphemy is more along the lines of herasy in the sense you are speaking out against the common perceptions of religion within the region, then anything about insulting god. Very rarely did any one ever speak out against god like that during times like the high middle ages, seeing as every one was extremely religious..

The Holy Ghost is kind of like a government that doesn't want you to have any rights.

... Well seeing as back in those days if you talked smack about your king, lord, etc etc publically, you would get killed or at the very least tortured and beaten.. Clearly they would assume such reprecausions would be just as bad if you did it against god.. Furthermore blasphemy is more along the lines of herasy in the sense you are speaking out against the common perceptions of religion within the region, then anything about insulting god. Very rarely did any one ever speak out against god like that during times like the high middle ages, seeing as every one was extremely religious..

sSubZerOo

Well, I think that, first, "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" should be defined. Contrary to what it may seem taking that excerpt out of context, it's not just someone thinking something along the lines of "the Holy Spirit sucks" or something thereabouts. In context, in Matthew 12:22-32, Jesus is speaking in response to the Pharisees' accusation that he drove out demons in the name of the devil - i.e., the attribution of that which the Holy Spirit does to Satan. It is, as I understand it, the state of having knowingly witnessed the fruits of the Holy Spirit and to still consciously reject it in favor of sin. As such, the reason why those guilty of this "will not be forgiven" is not so much because blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is such a terrible, terrible thing, but because the person doing so is so far gone in this life that they don't even want to be forgiven.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

... Well seeing as back in those days if you talked smack about your king, lord, etc etc publically, you would get killed or at the very least tortured and beaten.. Clearly they would assume such reprecausions would be just as bad if you did it against god.. Furthermore blasphemy is more along the lines of herasy in the sense you are speaking out against the common perceptions of religion within the region, then anything about insulting god. Very rarely did any one ever speak out against god like that during times like the high middle ages, seeing as every one was extremely religious..

th3warr1or

.. You are looking for a straight answer.. When I am trying to show you it depends entirely who you are talking to.. The Bible is not some set standard that every religion can agree on, if that were the case there wouldn't be so many sects.. Very little can be agreed on as universal when it comes to really any religion or beliefs that deal with the metaphysical.

assuming you mean Allah by the holy ghost, then yes its unforgivable. Because Allah is the creator, he created you, me and everyone else. Throughout life, people served others, some people were grateful, some were not. At the end, it was all about human vs human, the relationship between humans...etc Allah, as i said, is the creator. He is the only perfect being, he is the reason and the cause. In Blasphemy you go Human Vs Allah, and that is not allowed or forgivable. Things are measured by what they can do, what they worth. Considering Allah is the one who created this world, and the only perfect being, blasphemy is unforgivable. Im not christian btw.GazaAli

Im not christian btw.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]assuming you mean Allah by the holy ghost, then yes its unforgivable. Because Allah is the creator, he created you, me and everyone else. Throughout life, people served others, some people were grateful, some were not. At the end, it was all about human vs human, the relationship between humans...etc Allah, as i said, is the creator. He is the only perfect being, he is the reason and the cause. In Blasphemy you go Human Vs Allah, and that is not allowed or forgivable. Things are measured by what they can do, what they worth. Considering Allah is the one who created this world, and the only perfect being, blasphemy is unforgivable. Im not christian btw.Assassin1349

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Im not christian btw.th3warr1or

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]assuming you mean Allah by the holy ghost, then yes its unforgivable. Because Allah is the creator, he created you, me and everyone else. Throughout life, people served others, some people were grateful, some were not. At the end, it was all about human vs human, the relationship between humans...etc Allah, as i said, is the creator. He is the only perfect being, he is the reason and the cause. In Blasphemy you go Human Vs Allah, and that is not allowed or forgivable. Things are measured by what they can do, what they worth. Considering Allah is the one who created this world, and the only perfect being, blasphemy is unforgivable. Im not christian btw.GazaAli

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]assuming you mean Allah by the holy ghost, then yes its unforgivable. Because Allah is the creator, he created you, me and everyone else. Throughout life, people served others, some people were grateful, some were not. At the end, it was all about human vs human, the relationship between humans...etc Allah, as i said, is the creator. He is the only perfect being, he is the reason and the cause. In Blasphemy you go Human Vs Allah, and that is not allowed or forgivable. Things are measured by what they can do, what they worth. Considering Allah is the one who created this world, and the only perfect being, blasphemy is unforgivable. Im not christian btw.GazaAli

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Im not christian btw.GazaAli

And I don't approve of either. Assassin1349

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]And I don't approve of either. th3warr1or

Im being very civil, by stating my honest OPINIONS in a polite way.GazaAli

First of all, Noone on Earth has blasphamed the Holy Ghost as far as I'm concerned. And yes, for sure it is the unpardonable sin.

Why? It means because you have insulted YAHAVEE, and I believe that means his soul. If you do that, that means you have rejected everything to do with God. I also believe that it can only be done after you die, you have to do it in spiritual form. No, it is rarely done. Good guys don't do it, bad guys don't have the smarts or the guts to attempt to do it.

That is my understanding.

First of all, Noone on Earth has blasphamed the Holy Ghost as far as I'm concerned. And yes, for sure it is the unpardonable sin.

Why? It means because you have insulted YAHAVEE, and I believe that means his soul. If you do that, that means you have rejected everything to do with God. I also believe that it can only be done after you die, you have to do it in spiritual form. No, it is rarely done. Good guys don't do it, bad guys don't have the smarts or the guts to attempt to do it.

That is my understanding.

outworld222

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"]And I don't approve of either. th3warr1or

I posted a response to your question earlier in this thread, not sure if you missed it.

First of all, Noone on Earth has blasphamed the Holy Ghost as far as I'm concerned. And yes, for sure it is the unpardonable sin.

Why? It means because you have insulted YAHAVEE, and I believe that means his soul. If you do that, that means you have rejected everything to do with God. I also believe that it can only be done after you die, you have to do it in spiritual form. No, it is rarely done. Good guys don't do it, bad guys don't have the smarts or the guts to attempt to do it.

That is my understanding.

outworld222

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="Assassin1349"] Please keep any religious disagreements OUT of this thread. GabuEx

I posted a response to your question earlier in this thread, not sure if you missed it.

First of all, Noone on Earth has blasphamed the Holy Ghost as far as I'm concerned. And yes, for sure it is the unpardonable sin.

Why? It means because you have insulted YAHAVEE, and I believe that means his soul. If you do that, that means you have rejected everything to do with God. I also believe that it can only be done after you die, you have to do it in spiritual form. No, it is rarely done. Good guys don't do it, bad guys don't have the smarts or the guts to attempt to do it.

That is my understanding.

outworld222

Well, I think that, first, "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" should be defined. Contrary to what it may seem taking that excerpt out of context, it's not just someone thinking something along the lines of "the Holy Spirit sucks" or something thereabouts. In context, in Matthew 12:22-32, Jesus is speaking in response to the Pharisees' accusation that he drove out demons in the name of the devil - i.e., the attribution of that which the Holy Spirit does to Satan. It is, as I understand it, the state of having knowingly witnessed the fruits of the Holy Spirit and to still consciously reject it in favor of sin. As such, the reason why those guilty of this "will not be forgiven" is not so much because blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is such a terrible, terrible thing, but because the person doing so is so far gone in this life that they don't even want to be forgiven.

GabuEx

I posted a response to your question earlier in this thread, not sure if you missed it.

GabuEx

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]I posted a response to your question earlier in this thread, not sure if you missed it.

Second_Rook

This also makes...some sense. Except the part where you still can be forgiven for Blaspheming against God. th3warr1or

The reason, as I understand it, for why blasphemy against God and the Son is forgivable is because someone who does so very likely does not know any better, and is still in a state where they have not beheld and appreciated their fruits. The Holy Spirit can more or less be thought of as the personification of the force of God acting on us, compelling us to turn from sin and act in sincere love. Raging against God and Jesus before having truly witnessed this force is one thing; having truly experienced this force and still to reject everything is entirely different.

[QUOTE="-eddy-"]Ok, first, what's the Holy Ghost?Toriko42

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]This also makes...some sense. Except the part where you still can be forgiven for Blaspheming against God. GabuEx

The reason, as I understand it, for why blasphemy against God and the Son is forgivable is because someone who does so very likely does not know any better, and is still in a state where they have not beheld and appreciated them. The Holy Spirit can more or less be thought of as the personification of the force of God acting on us, compelling us to turn from sin and act in sincere love. Raging against God and Jesus before having truly witnessed this force is one thing; having truly experienced this force and still to reject everything is entirely different.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]This also makes...some sense. Except the part where you still can be forgiven for Blaspheming against God. th3warr1or

The reason, as I understand it, for why blasphemy against God and the Son is forgivable is because someone who does so very likely does not know any better, and is still in a state where they have not beheld and appreciated them. The Holy Spirit can more or less be thought of as the personification of the force of God acting on us, compelling us to turn from sin and act in sincere love. Raging against God and Jesus before having truly witnessed this force is one thing; having truly experienced this force and still to reject everything is entirely different.

Well, I probably should insert the caveat that, although I consider myself a Christian in that I follow Jesus, I am not one who feels as though he can take seriously anymore the assertion that the Bible, cover to cover, is the one true divinely inspired word of God, and as such, I am probably one of those whose fruits fundamentalist Christians would ascribe to the devil and whose understanding of the contents of the Bible they would consider human and imperfect... so you may or may not want to listen to me in your quest to get an answer from a "knowledgable Christian". :P

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

The reason, as I understand it, for why blasphemy against God and the Son is forgivable is because someone who does so very likely does not know any better, and is still in a state where they have not beheld and appreciated them. The Holy Spirit can more or less be thought of as the personification of the force of God acting on us, compelling us to turn from sin and act in sincere love. Raging against God and Jesus before having truly witnessed this force is one thing; having truly experienced this force and still to reject everything is entirely different.

GabuEx

Well, I probably should insert the caveat that, although I consider myself a Christian in that I follow Jesus, I am not one who feels as though he can take seriously anymore the assertion that the Bible, cover to cover, is the one true divinely inspired word of God, and as such, I am probably one of those whose fruits fundamentalist Christians would ascribe to the devil and whose understanding of the contents of the Bible they would consider human and imperfect... so you may or may not want to listen to me in your quest to get an answer from a "knowledgable Christian". :P

Im being very civil, by stating my honest OPINIONS in a polite way.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Im being very civil, by stating my honest OPINIONS in a polite way.iowastate

[QUOTE="iowastate"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Im being very civil, by stating my honest OPINIONS in a polite way.LJS9502_basic

Ok, first, what's the Holy Ghost?-eddy-

[QUOTE="-eddy-"]Ok, first, what's the Holy Ghost?moonlightcharm6

No thats not what the Holy spirit is...

Hopefully Wikipedia will clear things up for some of you.

The Holy Spirit is the guiding force if you will of God. To blaspheme the Holy Spirit means you will never be in a state where you will accept the Holy Spirit and be saved; the verse isn't saying it's an unforgivable sin but that a person who commits it will never want to be forgiven.