Let's have a nice, long discussion about religion

"God gave you all these gifts hoping that you, out of your own free will shall decide to follow him."

And if not he is going to burn you in a frying pan for all eternity!!!!!!! Mwuhahaha!!!!

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

A religious person has no reason to fear eternal damnation.

vlin1108

I don't believe anything. A belief implies that you don't know if something is true or not. I know that God is real on the other hand. I have faith that whatever God decides to do is just and good, however.

God gave you all these gifts hoping that you, out of your own free will shall decide to follow him.

There are no "bad Christians" - only bad people who may consider themselves to be Christians.

see thats ignorance right there all of a sudden that person is bad for what he believes in? and if i remeber correctly dosent the bible say dont judge?

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

A religious person has no reason to fear eternal damnation.

vlin1108

I don't believe anything. A belief implies that you don't know if something is true or not. I know that God is real on the other hand. I have faith that whatever God decides to do is just and good, however.

God gave you all these gifts hoping that you, out of your own free will shall decide to follow him.

There are no "bad Christians" - only bad people who may consider themselves to be Christians.

So god gave me the gift to make reasonable decisions based on the evidence put before me. Looking at the evidence I see that there is no proof that god exists and that the story of creation in the bible can not be correct based on current scientific understanding. I make the decision that god probably doesn't exist. God makes me burn in hell for eternity as a consequence. It doesn't matter if I am a charity worker, how many sins I made, or what good I did on earth. I get sent straight to hell while a sinning Christian who repents on his death bed gets a free pass to heaven.

This is "just and good" in your opinion?

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

A religious person has no reason to fear eternal damnation.

vlin1108

I don't believe anything. A belief implies that you don't know if something is true or not. I know that God is real on the other hand. I have faith that whatever God decides to do is just and good, however.

God gave you all these gifts hoping that you, out of your own free will shall decide to follow him.

There are no "bad Christians" - only bad people who may consider themselves to be Christians.

The fact that you claim to know rather than believe is a little scary. After all, suicide bombers often commit their acts on the grounds that their convictions have passed from mere beliefs into the actual knowledge that they are serving God and will pass into a better world. Granted, your "knowledge" is probably less extreme in consequence, but that religion is capable of providing that level of certainty without the need for evidence makes it a devastating weapon, in the wrong hands.

[QUOTE="vlin1108"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"] Why not? You are believing concepts without any evidence to justify them. The bible says that if you do not believe in these concepts (even though there is no reason to) you will go to hell. I have a question for you: I assume you believe that god is a reasonable being and he gave us the right to make our own decisions based on factual evidence. Why would he torture us for eternity simply for using the reason that he gave us? Why does he teach that a good atheist goes to hell but a bad Christian goes to heaven (if they repent)?Tazzmission187

I don't believe anything. A belief implies that you don't know if something is true or not. I know that God is real on the other hand. I have faith that whatever God decides to do is just and good, however.

God gave you all these gifts hoping that you, out of your own free will shall decide to follow him.

There are no "bad Christians" - only bad people who may consider themselves to be Christians.

see thats ignorance right there all of a sudden that person is bad for what he believes in? and if i remeber correctly dosent the bible say dont judge?

nothing i have seen, felt, heard, or experienced has led me to believe anything supernatural exists. including what has been told to me by persons of authority such as parents, teachers, etc...comp_atkins

I don't believe anything. A belief implies that you don't know if something is true or not. I know that God is real on the other hand. I have faith that whatever God decides to do is just and good, however.

God gave you all these gifts hoping that you, out of your own free will shall decide to follow him.

There are no "bad Christians" - only bad people who may consider themselves to be Christians.

see thats ignorance right there all of a sudden that person is bad for what he believes in? and if i remeber correctly dosent the bible say dont judge?

[QUOTE="vlin1108"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"] Why not? You are believing concepts without any evidence to justify them. The bible says that if you do not believe in these concepts (even though there is no reason to) you will go to hell. I have a question for you: I assume you believe that god is a reasonable being and he gave us the right to make our own decisions based on factual evidence. Why would he torture us for eternity simply for using the reason that he gave us? Why does he teach that a good atheist goes to hell but a bad Christian goes to heaven (if they repent)?Rocky32189

I don't believe anything. A belief implies that you don't know if something is true or not. I know that God is real on the other hand. I have faith that whatever God decides to do is just and good, however.

God gave you all these gifts hoping that you, out of your own free will shall decide to follow him.

There are no "bad Christians" - only bad people who may consider themselves to be Christians.

So god gave me the gift to make reasonable decisions based on the evidence put before me. Looking at the evidence I see that there is no proof that god exists and that the story of creation in the bible can not be correct based on current scientific understanding. I make the decision that god probably doesn't exist. God makes me burn in hell for eternity as a consequence. It doesn't matter if I am a charity worker, how many sins I made, or what good I did on earth. I get sent straight to hell while a sinning Christian who repents on his death bed gets a free pass to heaven.

This is "just and good" in your opinion?

I know because I have seen God.

Material evidence is irrelevant as the belief itself (as illustrated in the Bible) is enough to be able to make anyone believe in God, since all humans share a bond with Him.

I doubt a charity worker would be sent to Hell if he isn't Christian, but a good person. Everyone's a sinner, but as I've said before, there are no bad Christians. The word itself implies following Jesus.

I know because I have seen God.vlin1108

I know because I have seen God.vlin1108

I know because I have seen God.

[QUOTE="vlin1108"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"] Why not? You are believing concepts without any evidence to justify them. The bible says that if you do not believe in these concepts (even though there is no reason to) you will go to hell. I have a question for you: I assume you believe that god is a reasonable being and he gave us the right to make our own decisions based on factual evidence. Why would he torture us for eternity simply for using the reason that he gave us? Why does he teach that a good atheist goes to hell but a bad Christian goes to heaven (if they repent)?jimmyjammer69

I don't believe anything. A belief implies that you don't know if something is true or not. I know that God is real on the other hand. I have faith that whatever God decides to do is just and good, however.

God gave you all these gifts hoping that you, out of your own free will shall decide to follow him.

There are no "bad Christians" - only bad people who may consider themselves to be Christians.

The fact that you claim to know rather than believe is a little scary. After all, suicide bombers often commit their acts on the grounds that their convictions have passed from mere beliefs into the actual knowledge that they are serving God and will pass into a better world. Granted, your "knowledge" is probably less extreme in consequence, but that religion is capable of providing that level of certainty without the need for evidence makes it a devastating weapon, in the wrong hands.

I am not a Muslim. I know that harming people is wrong when you aren't serving God (see: Moses).

so if the bible states if i work on a sunday and i get killed your ok with that? because my aunt is just like you and i love her to death but she thinks shes better than everyone else because of her beleifs. what if a person killed a gay guy and said at trial i was following gods work is that ok because the bible states homosexuals will be sent to hellTazzmission187

I am not a Muslim. I know that harming people is wrong when you aren't serving God (see: Moses).vlin1108

[QUOTE="vlin1108"]I know because I have seen God.Andrew_Xavier

Then who was Jesus? :lol:

wow i shut him up

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]I know because I have seen God.vlin1108

Then who was Jesus? :lol:

Some Jewish guy who lived a long time ago who was crucified and had some great progressive (for the time) beliefs.

[QUOTE="vlin1108"]

I know because I have seen God.

Rocky32189

It's enough to say that God saved me from almost certain death. Now before you start rolling your eyes I'd like to say that I was a kid back then; I didn't even know what God (Jesus) looked like.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]I know because I have seen God.vlin1108

Then who was Jesus? :lol:

[QUOTE="vlin1108"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] "No one has ever seen God." (John 1:18)dnuggs40

Then who was Jesus? :lol:

Some Jewish guy who lived a long time ago who was crucified and had some great progressive (for the time) beliefs.

That claim goes against my religion.

[QUOTE="Tazzmission187"]so if the bible states if i work on a sunday and i get killed your ok with that? because my aunt is just like you and i love her to death but she thinks shes better than everyone else because of her beleifs. what if a person killed a gay guy and said at trial i was following gods work is that ok because the bible states homosexuals will be sent to hellAndrew_Xavier

[QUOTE="vlin1108"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] "No one has ever seen God." (John 1:18)Rocky32189

Then who was Jesus? :lol:

Yes.

[QUOTE="vlin1108"]I know because I have seen God.Vandalvideo

Hur hur, very funny.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]I know because I have seen God.vlin1108

Then who was Jesus? :lol:

Does agnostic = Not caring about religion? Because if it is then I'm agnostic. TheProtecter

that's kind of my view on being agnostic. which is why I'm agnostic too :P It's always interesting to hear other peoples' views on religion though, even if I don't agree

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

Then who was Jesus? :lol:

vlin1108

Yes.

[QUOTE="vlin1108"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] "No one has ever seen God." (John 1:18 )Andrew_Xavier

Then who was Jesus? :lol:

Yes and no. Humanity has seen Jesus as a human.

Hur hur, very funny.vlin1108

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

Then who was Jesus? :lol:

vlin1108

Yes and no. Humanity has seen Jesus as a human.

[QUOTE="vlin1108"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"] Have you seen Jesus?Rocky32189

Yes.

I have seen him too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unZI3MVIZ4o

[QUOTE="vlin1108"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] You are saying a direct quote from the bible is wrong?Andrew_Xavier

Yes and no. Humanity has seen Jesus as a human.

I have seen him too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unZI3MVIZ4o

dnuggs40

Me too. He's everywhere on the Internet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POiMC6igWKY

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

Yes and no. Humanity has seen Jesus as a human.

vlin1108

[QUOTE="vlin1108"]Hur hur, very funny.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]Hur hur, very funny.vlin1108

What does Jesus look like? If I recall, nobody has a picture of him nor were there any direct paintings of him. Only a description of him, which could match any number of people. The only imagery we see of jesus is artists interpritation of what he looks like.

Correct me if I am wrong, though.

[QUOTE="vlin1108"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] I know right? I'm such a comedian. In all seriousness, I'm curious what this god of yours looked like. Not to mention I'm wondering how you can reconcile the fact that thousands of endorphins and other random assorted chemicals were popping off left and right in your brain as you may have went through this traumatic experience. I'm not entirely sure I can trust these images. I sure wouldn't. I mean when I came close to death at the age of 9 I saw Big Bird and the Cookie Monster doing a dance trying to steal muh cookies. Does that mean that Big Bird is god?dnuggs40

What does Jesus look like? If I recall, nobody has a picture of him nor were there any direct paintings of him. Only a description of him, which could be any number of people. The only imagery we see of jesus is artists interpritation of what he looks like.

Correct me if I am wrong, though.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

[QUOTE="vlin1108"] I don't know who Big Bird is, but I know God looked like Jesus.vlin1108

What does Jesus look like? If I recall, nobody has a picture of him nor were there any direct paintings of him. Only a description of him, which could be any number of people. The only imagery we see of jesus is artists interpritation of what he looks like.

Correct me if I am wrong, though.

Did it look like this?

http://home.insightbb.com/~jmengel4/bread/bread_jesus.jpg

[QUOTE="vlin1108"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"] If the bible is wrong there, what else is wrong? How can any of it be trusted, when it's proven false by your seeing god?Rocky32189

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

[QUOTE="vlin1108"]I choose to be a Christian because God's word is the only way. I've noticed that people who don't follow religion have a void in their life; they are unhappy, cynical and mockingly blasphemous. Seeing such sadness only strengthens my faith in God, but I fear for those lost souls that call themselves atheists/agnostics.vlin1108

I do not believe in any religion, but I'm also a very positive and mentally-stable individual. I reside in a small-yet-cozy home in the United States, live under the guidance of my caring parents and am currently deep in love with a beauitful woman I am proud to call my girlfriend--this is something not everybody can boast about across the world, whether they believe in a specific religion or not. I am thankful every day for the wonderful life I've been given, and I'm much happier now than I ever was when I was younger (and religious at the time).

Don't you perhaps feel as if something is lacking in your life? I will leave you to your decision in the hope that time will change your perspective; when growing old (or older) people start thinking more deeply about things, about an afterlife.

Yes, but that's irrelevant with religion, unless God is the grand decider of whether or not I get a job at Best Buy within the next two months.

I'm agnostic because some questions are beyond our capability to answer (though that doesn't mean we shouldn't try).gobo212

I believe in evolution, but I don't believe in carbon dating... after a long time period.vlin1108

[QUOTE="vlin1108"] I believe in evolution, but I don't believe in carbon dating... after a long time period.Rocky32189